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bart95

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166. all i really know

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 08:28 AM

Apr 2012

is that i once belonged in this party, and now i'm starting to really doubt it, even if i have no idea where to go from here (I certainly dont belong in the other one either)

that after a decade of being totaly screwed out of my occupation i worked so hard for (tech), that i owe my party some kind of apology for what i was born as (and electing the first african american, which was supposed to get us past that, has only intensified it), Sure, I can apologise, but that will only lead to a demand for another. And another. And another. So what if it's a scheme that is really coming from the top 1 percent, that doesnt make it any less annoying - and that i no longer believe being a part of this is any kind of rational activity. I dont think it's right or that it serves any positive purpose

time for the frog to wise up and jump out of the pot

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Yes, white men are being oppressed. [View all] Zalatix Apr 2012 OP

We are NOT being oppressed equaly, lets give this one up, In EVERY society where theres a ruling... uponit7771 Apr 2012 #1

Okay then Aerows Apr 2012 #2

yes ..it would be ............progresss....... :-) uponit7771 Apr 2012 #3

I know there are disparities Aerows Apr 2012 #10

+1. And that's exactly what the modern "rights" discourse encourages us to do. Not to mention HiPointDem Apr 2012 #45

The first move in standing together is not EFerrari Apr 2012 #4

Nor is it Aerows Apr 2012 #7

Actually, I disagree. EFerrari Apr 2012 #12

So if there is sexism Aerows Apr 2012 #14

The first sentence of your post is straight out of your imagination EFerrari Apr 2012 #21

It's not inaccurate at all Aerows Apr 2012 #23

Entirely inaccurate. EFerrari Apr 2012 #28

Alrighty then Aerows Apr 2012 #33

Please do not exit... your points are logical. Zalatix Apr 2012 #36

Nope, there is nothing "logical" in arguing that people shouldn't push back EFerrari Apr 2012 #88

Racism is like a termite infestation. Nobody is arguing that the termites are not a problem. Zalatix Apr 2012 #154

I said I wasn't going to even look in this thread, but I did Aerows Apr 2012 #175

No, ProSense did not accuse you of racism, or being a racist. redqueen Apr 2012 #178

Don't go! You are 100% correct! nt stevenleser Apr 2012 #37

Don't go - you are in the right. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #42

I agree with your points REP Apr 2012 #51

+1000. nt. polly7 Apr 2012 #201

Discrimination Pie tastes no better in anyone's mouth Aerows Apr 2012 #225

Dont go any where m8 Dokkie Apr 2012 #170

That is ProSense Apr 2012 #38

#175 goes for you, too ProSense n/t Aerows Apr 2012 #176

+1 to prosense, ignoring the "Southern Strategy" emboldens these bastards to enact anti voter uponit7771 Apr 2012 #183

Hell yes Aerows Apr 2012 #224

After the fact, thank you for acknowledging this Aerows Apr 2012 #222

"The first step toward standing together is not telling other people to shut up" Aerows Apr 2012 #221

We did. redqueen Apr 2012 #5

I'm a woman Aerows Apr 2012 #6

You're both right OriginalGeek Apr 2012 #29

so long as the focus is primarily on the views of individuals, so long as the discourse of HiPointDem Apr 2012 #47

I was instructed to your post for some reason Number23 Apr 2012 #189

Please learn history: MLK Jr. was assassinated during his Poor People's Campaign Zalatix Apr 2012 #206

After my exchange with you downthread Number23 Apr 2012 #210

After my exchange with you downthread Zalatix Apr 2012 #212

You have nothing to say. You have no data. No facts. No information Number23 Apr 2012 #213

Whoops, I bothered responding to you. Now whatcha gonna do? Zalatix Apr 2012 #214

Nothing I have said in ANY way refutes what you've typed Number23 Apr 2012 #215

"Nothing I have said in ANY way refutes what you've typed" <-- LOL!!! Zalatix Apr 2012 #217

Oh my Aerows Apr 2012 #223

Three weeks after the post was posted, and you still couldn't bother to read it? Number23 Apr 2012 #226

Well this came out of left field Aerows Apr 2012 #227

I don't care about your values Number23 Apr 2012 #228

Values Aerows Apr 2012 #229

Oh, and by the way? Aerows Apr 2012 #230

You need to take another three weeks off Number23 May 2012 #231

Glad you decided to get out into the fresh air Aerows May 2012 #232

Oh, and Gambit? Aerows May 2012 #233

And you may wish to evaluate leaping into a thread THREE WEEKS after it was started Number23 May 2012 #234

Yep, I'd agree Aerows May 2012 #235

Finally, something from you that makes sense. Number23 May 2012 #236

That's a great point. Brooklyn Dame Apr 2012 #25

Battle and cripple the 1% and the other issues will resolve themselves. Zalatix Apr 2012 #58

Thank you. +100,000! Zalatix Apr 2012 #9

It's not ProSense Apr 2012 #15

I'm not going to sit here and say that racism isn't a problem Aerows Apr 2012 #18

That's not ProSense Apr 2012 #24

Do you think the wealthy oligarchs Aerows Apr 2012 #27

Who ProSense Apr 2012 #32

I need to remind you of a lesson: the dividing up of Africa Zalatix Apr 2012 #60

Good grief ProSense Apr 2012 #67

No we don't live in Africa - but the politics of division is now worldwide. Zalatix Apr 2012 #153

The 99%ers are pretty diverse. The %ers divide us for their own purposes. libinnyandia Apr 2012 #8

Oh, no they're not. Where on earth did you get that idea? cali Apr 2012 #208

The 1%ers are not diverse but the rest of us are. White, black, Hispanic, men and women. libinnyandia Apr 2012 #218

Yep. Exactly. Taverner Apr 2012 #179

I'm going to rec this Autumn Apr 2012 #11

Sure ProSense Apr 2012 #13

See Post #2 Zalatix Apr 2012 #16

I saw it. n/t ProSense Apr 2012 #17

"much of this inequality and oppression is being driven by white men" Aerows Apr 2012 #19

That still ProSense Apr 2012 #30

No, that's YOUR POINT. Not THE point. SomethingFishy Apr 2012 #39

What a ProSense Apr 2012 #43

Holy shit you spend too much time on the internet... SomethingFishy Apr 2012 #46

Jeepers, we're fighting over ridiculous irrelevancies. Zalatix Apr 2012 #61

Your comment ProSense Apr 2012 #66

Percent of families owning slaves on the eve of the Civil War: HiPointDem Apr 2012 #99

Wow ProSense Apr 2012 #101

It's an ethnicity, one which historically hasn't always been coextensive with "white". FYI. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #102

I know, ProSense Apr 2012 #105

The content was that only 8% of American families owned slaves on the eve of the Civil War. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #106

Well, ProSense Apr 2012 #112

a white person was nearly as likely to die in the war to end slavery, as bart95 Apr 2012 #108

Oh my ProSense Apr 2012 #110

i will admit, however, that my ancestors were guilty bart95 Apr 2012 #114

'too much time on the internet...' bart95 Apr 2012 #116

What in the world...???... Number23 Apr 2012 #118

I agree. And this reality noiretextatique Apr 2012 #205

Run as fast as you can from this OP. Number23 Apr 2012 #209

LOL noiretextatique Apr 2012 #219

They also mostly vote republican redqueen Apr 2012 #22

It's a societal problem Aerows Apr 2012 #26

Look ProSense Apr 2012 #35

'It'd be nice if our fellow oppressed citizens would help out with that' bart95 Apr 2012 #109

"It's too bad we can't elect more progressive Dems." redqueen Apr 2012 #111

White men Dokkie Apr 2012 #171

Not only is that a great post Union Scribe Apr 2012 #20

Read your Marx and realize the truth hifiguy Apr 2012 #31

The religious "wars" have always been underlaid with economics. It's just that most HiPointDem Apr 2012 #103

Yeah, except Marx invented the proletariat, lumpenproletariat and petit bourgeoisie. joshcryer Apr 2012 #143

I don't agree with equality of the distress, but I do agree Lionessa Apr 2012 #34

This is part of what I was trying to say and encourage discussion about with this OP: stevenleser Apr 2012 #40

You're absolutely right, and we can see how effective it is right here in the replies. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #41

Ah yes, ProSense Apr 2012 #44

Except the poster didn't say any of that. And this refusal to address the kind of points he makes HiPointDem Apr 2012 #48

What? ProSense Apr 2012 #49

Yes, I read his post, as well as your direct quote and your interpretation of its meaning. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #50

Well, ProSense Apr 2012 #55

Yes, people are free to interpret words in their "own way". People are also free to point out that HiPointDem Apr 2012 #63

Actually ProSense Apr 2012 #83

Demographically speaking, everyone is a victim of their circumstances. Zalatix Apr 2012 #54

You keep ProSense Apr 2012 #56

Because white men ARE separate from the Plutocracy!!! Zalatix Apr 2012 #57

Hmmm? ProSense Apr 2012 #62

"when income inequality wasn't as bad as it is now, say 40 years ago, who were the oppressors?" HiPointDem Apr 2012 #64

I know ProSense Apr 2012 #65

Do you know that? They owned slaves, eh? And was that the end of it? HiPointDem Apr 2012 #69

Wow, ProSense Apr 2012 #70

As you ascribed your "own interpretation" to the previous poster's words, so you've ascribed your HiPointDem Apr 2012 #71

Oh, I ProSense Apr 2012 #73

You're saying that white men and the plutocracy are coextensive categories? If so, that's so HiPointDem Apr 2012 #74

Oh, by ProSense Apr 2012 #81

So you *are* saying that "plutocracy" and "white males" are the same thing, then? I wasn't HiPointDem Apr 2012 #84

I have no earthly idea how you managed to get that out of what I wrote. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #59

Well, ProSense Apr 2012 #68

Yes, but to be clear, they are not evil because they are white and/or male. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #76

You know ProSense Apr 2012 #79

I'm sorry you feel that way. It is not my intention to dismiss or trivialize Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #86

AMEN! Dont call me Shirley Apr 2012 #52

Huge K&R abelenkpe Apr 2012 #53

I take your point but wickerwoman Apr 2012 #72

I'd argue that so long as the problem of economic justice isn't addressed or solved, no individual HiPointDem Apr 2012 #77

There again ProSense Apr 2012 #80

Where do I say that all other oppression is irrelevant? Where do I say that economic justice HiPointDem Apr 2012 #82

Oh, my bad ProSense Apr 2012 #85

Funny how we're fighting the battle of birth control again, eh? Why do you think that is? HiPointDem Apr 2012 #87

It's the ProSense Apr 2012 #90

LOL. Sure, keep telling yourself that. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #96

And economic justice won't be addressed or solved wickerwoman Apr 2012 #94

No one has asked anyone to give up their interests and needs. No one has ruled out "coalition" HiPointDem Apr 2012 #97

Are we reading the same website? wickerwoman Apr 2012 #181

Granted, it's going to take a lot of education and waking people up. Zalatix Apr 2012 #157

Your point is well-founded. Zalatix Apr 2012 #158

Yes, they are. But not because they are white or because they are male eridani Apr 2012 #75

I don't see white gays, white atheist, white whatever Obamacare Apr 2012 #78

No? HiPointDem Apr 2012 #89

Wow, some cops were actually charged with a crime for such an act. redqueen Apr 2012 #91

I suspect ProSense Apr 2012 #92

The poster didn't say that there is racial profiling and that blacks are a disproportionate % HiPointDem Apr 2012 #95

You're ProSense Apr 2012 #100

Your colors are being revealed HiPoint. joshcryer Apr 2012 #129

What colors are those? Unveil the veiled accusation. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #138

The true ones? joshcryer Apr 2012 #141

You made a veiled accusation. If you're not prepared to state it explicitly, why are you making it? HiPointDem Apr 2012 #142

How more explicit can I frame "true colors"? joshcryer Apr 2012 #144

The poster said: HiPointDem Apr 2012 #146

The poster implied that, absolutely. joshcryer Apr 2012 #148

Unlike yourself, I don't make broad assumptions about what people "mean" from one statement. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #149

It's basic linguistics, you interpret the meaning of what is said. Literalism... joshcryer Apr 2012 #187

Absolutely right loyalsister Apr 2012 #98

Love how the flaming amongst each other in this thread proves the exact point of your post. tjwash Apr 2012 #93

Pointing out disparities is NOT us being together. There are some progressive that don't think uponit7771 Apr 2012 #104

+1, "hard to convince these people to fight said disparities if they don't think they exist" joshcryer Apr 2012 #140

and it forces people to compete to 'out-victim' each other bart95 Apr 2012 #107

Yes, ProSense Apr 2012 #113

no, I think the OP is born out of exasperation of the endless blame bart95 Apr 2012 #115

So ProSense Apr 2012 #117

that post would be considered racist bart95 Apr 2012 #119

Don't ProSense Apr 2012 #120

what's absurd about it? being called out? nt bart95 Apr 2012 #121

Suggestion ProSense Apr 2012 #123

why? I already made my point bart95 Apr 2012 #124

Actually, ProSense Apr 2012 #125

'You made an utterly absurd claim' bart95 Apr 2012 #127

Here ProSense Apr 2012 #131

you interpreted the (bad thing) differently than I intended bart95 Apr 2012 #132

Well ProSense Apr 2012 #134

sorry pup bart95 Apr 2012 #136

Clearly ProSense Apr 2012 #137

And I'm not even a white male. Surprise. Zalatix Apr 2012 #151

all i really know bart95 Apr 2012 #166

How is electing the first African American President Obamacare Apr 2012 #182

that's how it was sold bart95 Apr 2012 #185

You should acknowledge why it's happening, though. joshcryer Apr 2012 #139

and employ posters to use the very tactic here RetroLounge Apr 2012 #165

Exactly right. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #177

Oh, God. This thread... I weep for this web site. Or I would if I felt it had any hope at all. Number23 Apr 2012 #122

The rec's tell me all I needed to know. joshcryer Apr 2012 #128

+ 1 La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2012 #130

It's simple really. ProSense Apr 2012 #133

Exactly. joshcryer Apr 2012 #135

Nailed it ProSense Apr 2012 #145

What do you think about what President Obama said? Zalatix Apr 2012 #164

You know ProSense Apr 2012 #168

Your argument is illogical Zalatix Apr 2012 #172

Nonsense ProSense Apr 2012 #174

No, that's NOT what I said Zalatix Apr 2012 #200

these are all things that are routinely SwampG8r Apr 2012 #191

I weep for the fact that you can't see how the 1% is dividing us against each other. Zalatix Apr 2012 #150

Yes, it was the 1% that burned crosses in people's yards Number23 Apr 2012 #152

Post #47 said it right about you. Your staunch ignorance is exactly why the 1% prevails. Zalatix Apr 2012 #155

When you can prove it was the elite that inflicted Hell on black people's lives Number23 Apr 2012 #156

That's easy. Zalatix Apr 2012 #159

So the only people that perpetuated atrocities during the time of slavery Number23 Apr 2012 #188

i usually am in light disagreement with you SwampG8r Apr 2012 #192

"i can say this if you have seen it you cant unsee it" Number23 Apr 2012 #194

i came back by here SwampG8r Apr 2012 #220

I don't know where you got your education from Zalatix Apr 2012 #195

So I can infer that this weak, pointless, insignificant little insult is you Number23 Apr 2012 #196

Wait, you can dish out the insults but you can't take it? Zalatix Apr 2012 #197

You have not had one single "argument" to dispute Number23 Apr 2012 #198

Your wild eyed rants and raves are not "arguments", hence there is no dispute. Zalatix Apr 2012 #199

Oh God. Number23 Apr 2012 #203

Yes, run away with your tail between your legs. And take your laughable arguments with you. Zalatix Apr 2012 #204

Holy Hell... Number23 Apr 2012 #207

LOL I thought you said I wasn't worth another millisecond of your time. Zalatix Apr 2012 #211

President Obama said it even better than I did. So go ahead and hate on him, too. Zalatix Apr 2012 #162

Nonsense. n/t ProSense Apr 2012 #169

Post #47 says nothing about the poster you're talking to and nothing about ignorance. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #160

I'm sorry, I meant post #147. I forgot the "1" Zalatix Apr 2012 #161

Divide and conquer. joshcryer Apr 2012 #126

this whole thread is a prime example of how the dividing works. provis99 Apr 2012 #147

I'll let my avatar speak for me lunatica Apr 2012 #163

Poor whites still act racist Mosaic Apr 2012 #167

Poor, poor men who now have to be something more than white to be... polichick Apr 2012 #173

K&R One of the most interesting threads Waiting For Everyman Apr 2012 #180

Economic Justice IS the biggest Social Issue. bvar22 Apr 2012 #184

It's called divide and conquer...knr joeybee12 Apr 2012 #186

WHITE MEN brush stroke responses here are very broad. Zax2me Apr 2012 #190

Indeed, MLK Jr. did not say Zalatix Apr 2012 #193

Fucking A Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #202

the op hit the nail 4 t 4 Apr 2012 #216