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eridani

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Tue Jul 15, 2014, 04:28 AM Jul 2014

Here Are 4 Ways We’re Accidentally Teaching Kids That Consent Doesn't Matter [View all]

http://www.upworthy.com/here-are-4-ways-were-accidentally-teaching-kids-that-consent-doesnt-matter?c=upw1

The third way that we sometimes teach kids that consent isn't important is through forced hugs and kisses and this is all in the [guides] of teaching politeness. We want them to give Uncle Joe a hug and kiss when you see him because he's their elder, and it's important to respect him in that way, and because he wants a hug and a kiss, regardless of how your child is feeling. And the idea of being that if they don't go give Uncle Joe a hug and a kiss it reflects poorly on you, that your kids are rude or, you know, standoff-ish or whatever. And we worry about that as parents and so then we end up, you know, whether it's by force or coercion getting our kids to hug and kiss someone that they don't want to.

This is a huge red flag. You know, we don't want our teen daughters or our teen sons to be in a sexual situation where they're feeling like they don't really wanna continue, but they feel like they can't say anything because they've come this far and it would be rude to stop or that type of thing. That is exactly the problems that we get in young adults with not asking for consent but also not being bale to give it because you don't feel that you have that place to say no, I'm not comfortable with this, we need to stop right now. So it's very important not to make your kids hug and kiss, or you know, shake hands or anything like that, you know. "You know Uncle Joe, you saw him last year," and if Uncle Joe asks for a hug or kiss, you can say, "Do you want to give him a hug or a kiss or just wave hi?" And then have a wave hi or, you know, blow a kiss or whatever is comfortable in your family for some type of non touching related greeting.

And also, you don't have to force your kid to greet someone that they don't want. We often are forcing our kids to hug relatives that to them they don't even remember, very distant relatives, and we wonder why sexual abuse is so frequently a family member and why the kids didn't tell mom and dad when they've been taught their whole lives that they should respect their elders, that they should be giving physical affection to family members, so it becomes very hard for them to say 'I was touched in in an inappropriate way.' So this one has a very big implication right now for child sexual abuse. You really want your kids to know that they could say no and they never have to be touched in a way that they don't wanna be touched, and also for when they're older so that they feel like whenever they get that feeling in their stomach that 'I don't wanna do this next thing. I don't wanna be touched in this way" that they know that they can say no.
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My mother's great-grand-daughter didn't want to kiss her. delrem Jul 2014 #1
So, are you saying consent doesn't really matter? n/t eridani Jul 2014 #2
how could you possibly imagine that? delrem Jul 2014 #3
what you related Skittles Jul 2014 #4
Oh. delrem Jul 2014 #5
it's just easily misunderstood Skittles Jul 2014 #6
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #7
"you guys", as in critical thinkers Skittles Jul 2014 #9
Then alert me for calling it. Skittles. delrem Jul 2014 #11
oh I don't alert Skittles Jul 2014 #12
and your point is? delrem Jul 2014 #15
LOL....done here Skittles Jul 2014 #16
you were "done" awhile ago, Skittles. delrem Jul 2014 #17
delrem, seriously, back down. I couldn't figure out what your post was saying either. Squinch Jul 2014 #26
I figured it out in the first reading joeglow3 Jul 2014 #41
That's nice but I didn't and neither did eridani, who very civilly asked him what he meant. Squinch Jul 2014 #46
I was lucky as I never experienced those messages. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #8
Good for her! eridani Jul 2014 #10
It likely is and may have something to do with her own abuse by a family member. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #13
That's very insightful. nt pinboy3niner Jul 2014 #14
I agree with you. Bonobo Jul 2014 #18
How would this non-greeting philosophy play out in RL? Shankapotomus Jul 2014 #19
Adults are capable of understanding diplomatic protocols eridani Jul 2014 #20
Yep. laundry_queen Jul 2014 #23
I agree Shankapotomus Jul 2014 #24
It is entirely possible gollygee Jul 2014 #36
Absolutely Shankapotomus Jul 2014 #39
But it's not talking about verbal greetings. Brickbat Jul 2014 #32
She did include simple greetings Shankapotomus Jul 2014 #37
Nice post. "Trauma projection" is a nice, useful phrase. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #43
Children generally learn from what adults DO not from what they say or order. ananda Jul 2014 #21
EXCELLENT link (I read the transcript) laundry_queen Jul 2014 #22
My first thought was too dismiss this piece but I see it resonated with others so I'll reconsider aikoaiko Jul 2014 #25
If an adult insists that a child clean his room, are there a lot of precedents for children later Squinch Jul 2014 #27
Apples and oranges. Quantess Jul 2014 #28
I don't believe that date rape is the issue. I think the issues is with children while they are Squinch Jul 2014 #29
Okay, I'll buy that. Quantess Jul 2014 #30
It is often an issue with developmentally delayed kids, both giving hugs and not saying, "I don't Squinch Jul 2014 #31
Yes, hugging appropriately takes social skills! We sometimes take this for granted. Quantess Jul 2014 #35
The other messages kids get about hygiene and labor are generally pretty consistent, though. Brickbat Jul 2014 #33
Kids are shy by nature. talkguy365 Jul 2014 #34
All things in moderation, absolutely. Quantess Jul 2014 #38
Ah ha. Moderation is key. talkguy365 Jul 2014 #40
What do you imply by that? Quantess Jul 2014 #42
No implications. talkguy365 Jul 2014 #45
Which is exactly my point! Nobody should be forced to hug anyone. Quantess Jul 2014 #47
As a kid, I had to hug smelly old aunts. It was gross. Then I got over it. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #44
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