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Shankapotomus

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19. How would this non-greeting philosophy play out in RL?
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 06:39 AM
Jul 2014

Would it be okay for a diplomat to refuse a handshake or greeting of their counterpart from another country?

I mean, if it really does make sense in the child's world, it would have to make sense in the adult world. But I don't see this working without basic cordiality between people eventually breaking down.

I can understand hugs and kisses but a handshake or even a greeting is too much? I know in other cultures a greeting between new acquaintances is not always necessary and still be inoffensive but I don't see how not at least giving someone the acknowledgement of existence would not be considered by anyone as a little insulting here.

I mean, are we a social species or not? If we are I would think that would entail retaining at least one symbolic gesture of civility and acknowledgment toward each other. It doesn't have to be a lot or particularly demanding. But given that there is such a negative connotation to being ignored, no matter who you are, shouldn't there be something?

If every verbal greeting is to be treated as a possible precursor to abuse, we might as well pack it in as a civilization right now.

How about we still greet each other but if someone we've greeted behaves in any way weird or intrusive after that, then we can be suspicious and withdraw contact?

It sounds like this article was written from the perspective of someone who may have been abused, who still is dealing with the trauma of it and who is looking back on the experience in hindsight and thinking "If only I never said 'hello' to uncle joe this would have never happened."

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My mother's great-grand-daughter didn't want to kiss her. delrem Jul 2014 #1
So, are you saying consent doesn't really matter? n/t eridani Jul 2014 #2
how could you possibly imagine that? delrem Jul 2014 #3
what you related Skittles Jul 2014 #4
Oh. delrem Jul 2014 #5
it's just easily misunderstood Skittles Jul 2014 #6
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #7
"you guys", as in critical thinkers Skittles Jul 2014 #9
Then alert me for calling it. Skittles. delrem Jul 2014 #11
oh I don't alert Skittles Jul 2014 #12
and your point is? delrem Jul 2014 #15
LOL....done here Skittles Jul 2014 #16
you were "done" awhile ago, Skittles. delrem Jul 2014 #17
delrem, seriously, back down. I couldn't figure out what your post was saying either. Squinch Jul 2014 #26
I figured it out in the first reading joeglow3 Jul 2014 #41
That's nice but I didn't and neither did eridani, who very civilly asked him what he meant. Squinch Jul 2014 #46
I was lucky as I never experienced those messages. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #8
Good for her! eridani Jul 2014 #10
It likely is and may have something to do with her own abuse by a family member. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #13
That's very insightful. nt pinboy3niner Jul 2014 #14
I agree with you. Bonobo Jul 2014 #18
How would this non-greeting philosophy play out in RL? Shankapotomus Jul 2014 #19
Adults are capable of understanding diplomatic protocols eridani Jul 2014 #20
Yep. laundry_queen Jul 2014 #23
I agree Shankapotomus Jul 2014 #24
It is entirely possible gollygee Jul 2014 #36
Absolutely Shankapotomus Jul 2014 #39
But it's not talking about verbal greetings. Brickbat Jul 2014 #32
She did include simple greetings Shankapotomus Jul 2014 #37
Nice post. "Trauma projection" is a nice, useful phrase. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #43
Children generally learn from what adults DO not from what they say or order. ananda Jul 2014 #21
EXCELLENT link (I read the transcript) laundry_queen Jul 2014 #22
My first thought was too dismiss this piece but I see it resonated with others so I'll reconsider aikoaiko Jul 2014 #25
If an adult insists that a child clean his room, are there a lot of precedents for children later Squinch Jul 2014 #27
Apples and oranges. Quantess Jul 2014 #28
I don't believe that date rape is the issue. I think the issues is with children while they are Squinch Jul 2014 #29
Okay, I'll buy that. Quantess Jul 2014 #30
It is often an issue with developmentally delayed kids, both giving hugs and not saying, "I don't Squinch Jul 2014 #31
Yes, hugging appropriately takes social skills! We sometimes take this for granted. Quantess Jul 2014 #35
The other messages kids get about hygiene and labor are generally pretty consistent, though. Brickbat Jul 2014 #33
Kids are shy by nature. talkguy365 Jul 2014 #34
All things in moderation, absolutely. Quantess Jul 2014 #38
Ah ha. Moderation is key. talkguy365 Jul 2014 #40
What do you imply by that? Quantess Jul 2014 #42
No implications. talkguy365 Jul 2014 #45
Which is exactly my point! Nobody should be forced to hug anyone. Quantess Jul 2014 #47
As a kid, I had to hug smelly old aunts. It was gross. Then I got over it. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #44
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