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Rex

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43. Yes the 8 years with the BFEE and the 8 years with Obama taught/teaching us some valuable lessons.

Tue Jul 15, 2014, 02:37 PM

Jul 2014

The greatest and saddest imo, is the covering for Wall Street and the Spy Nation/Drug War insanity some of us grew up in and still loath with a passion. Unlike the BFEE...at least we have seen huge strides for minority groups under Obama...all the while it seems TIA not only never left as a monster to be built...but did get built sabrina in the form of the DHS.

Knowledge is power...and the use of it against us is the most powerful any government could ever dream of. After 9/11 it was guilty until proven innocent. Plus all the high level blackmail going on between the CIA and Congress...which seems stuck on broke.

I'd say the past 3 decades are a real eye opener.

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Why does the Government continue to fight the requirement to obtain Warrants? [View all] n2doc Jul 2014 OP

Any evidence is subject to being gathered when building a case in court. Why would an interest Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #1

Really easy answers to easy questions. Pholus Jul 2014 #2

Yep, I can volunteer to help the police, in fact I have at different times, I just happen to be Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #3

Good for you. Me? Glad they're there, but I do have rights and I reserve them all. Pholus Jul 2014 #6

Naive? It is naive to expect my space to be protected and criminals to just walk away any time they Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #10

Uh huh. Pholus Jul 2014 #20

Look, a post cheering blind totalitarianism! woo me with science Jul 2014 #4

You know, I'm thinking the first option. Pholus Jul 2014 #7

We can only hope... woo me with science Jul 2014 #8

So you think we should live in a world where criminals has open season on victims? Hell no, the Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #9

Part of being secure in your papers is not having the government read all your correspondence just.. JVS Jul 2014 #13

The post you are responding to is utter distraction. woo me with science Jul 2014 #17

Where is everyone being wiretapped? Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #19

You are aware, are you not... ljm2002 Jul 2014 #25

Do you think you are wiretapping when you look at your phone bill? Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #51

Apparently we are talking past on another... ljm2002 Jul 2014 #54

Maybe, the truth hurts sometimes. Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #59

More than *eighty percent* of phone calls, the audio content, not just metadata, is being stored. woo me with science Jul 2014 #63

You know, if this is true then I can retrieve the voice information and use this to prove I said or Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #64

No, unless you are NSA, you can't retrieve it. That's part of the point. woo me with science Jul 2014 #75

I am thinking this is going to be normal in the future, we could subpoena the files when there is a Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #78

Third Way defense of outright corruption: Attempt to normalize woo me with science Jul 2014 #81

Now you know there is mass spying and surveillance. I am thinking if this guy is correct then Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #84

There are no "both sides" to this issue. woo me with science Jul 2014 #86

Yes there is lying on both sides of this, and until I can hear the conversations word for word then Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #87

Excellent posts here woo me with science Jul 2014 #65

Thanks... ljm2002 Jul 2014 #74

+1 The more it's all publicized, the better. woo me with science Jul 2014 #77

You bring up an important point--"being secure in your papers" has evolved over two centuries of msanthrope Jul 2014 #47

... woo me with science Jul 2014 #14

"a world where criminals has (sic) open season on victims"... ljm2002 Jul 2014 #22

You may not entirely understand 50 years ago people was getting convicted by having the same Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #52

Too funny... ljm2002 Jul 2014 #55

Yea, thought you would think this was funny, unless you happened to be the one convicted with just Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #58

Well--he's technically correct that any evidence is subject to being gathered, but he's forgotten an msanthrope Jul 2014 #16

And here you are, with the very same tactic as always: woo me with science Jul 2014 #23

Woo, on this particular point you and are in agreement, yet you respond with invective. msanthrope Jul 2014 #28

Remember the admonition to watch a fictional teevee show as a rebuttal? riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #29

Omar's coming. Remember, the cheese stands alone. msanthrope Jul 2014 #40

I had forgotten about that one. woo me with science Jul 2014 #46

Woo, I am going to repeat to you the challenge I repeat to every poster who thinks I am not an msanthrope Jul 2014 #48

I have stated my case very clearly already. woo me with science Jul 2014 #50

Woo, I appreciate you backing down from your claim that I am not an attorney. And in the msanthrope Jul 2014 #53

You are misrepresenting our conversation in your headlines to elicit a response. woo me with science Jul 2014 #56

So take a stand, woo? Do you think I am an attorney, or not? nt msanthrope Jul 2014 #57

The cases are there treestar Jul 2014 #36

I am reminded of those who quote the 2nd amendment in a similar fashion, and think that msanthrope Jul 2014 #38

You are correct that any evidence is subject to being gathered, but the rub is HOW. msanthrope Jul 2014 #11

So you are against law enforcement being required to abide by the law, iow, the US Constitution sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #33

Change every use of "criminal" to "accused." Better yet, morningfog Jul 2014 #66

Indeed. woo me with science Jul 2014 #82

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #5

After crapping on the Fifth, they went for the Fourth. Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #12

Oh, we can line up all the amendments they are crapping on. woo me with science Jul 2014 #15

They are a busy-boweled lot. Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #21

No--this issue was settled in the 70s. 3rd party has been around for 40 years. And that's the msanthrope Jul 2014 #18

No, it wasn't "settled" in the 70's. woo me with science Jul 2014 #26

Woo, as I noted to you above, you and I are in agreement on this point, yet you are being rude. Why? msanthrope Jul 2014 #30

Thank you Woo ... these misleading statements need to be corrected constantly here, sadly. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #34

Dealing with incessant diversion, distortion, and disinformation campaigns woo me with science Jul 2014 #45

The Administration can argue any legal point it chooses to treestar Jul 2014 #37

Well, here, it's demanded they roll over even when they are in agreement!!! nt msanthrope Jul 2014 #39

Here is it asked that they defend the US Constitution as they took an oath to do. Quaint sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #44

So the Constitution is no longer the 'rule of law' in America? When did THAT happen? sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #41

Er, yes it is and the courts decide the issues under the constitution treestar Jul 2014 #60

So show me when the 4th Amendment to the Constitution was abolished. Thanks in advance. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #61

Why wouldn't this fall under business records? Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #24

It does. nt msanthrope Jul 2014 #31

Important OP. K&R woo me with science Jul 2014 #27

Hoover...he made it clear that all US citizens are possible enemies of the state. Rex Jul 2014 #32

He's getting plenty of help from all sides sadly, these days. Used to be just one side, but as we sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #42

Yes the 8 years with the BFEE and the 8 years with Obama taught/teaching us some valuable lessons. Rex Jul 2014 #43

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #35

If issuing warrants were a For-Profit business, we'd see warrants up the wazoo. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #49

Don't give them any ideas. They'll want to privatize the judiciary. JEB Jul 2014 #88

Your question isn't really a for real question is it? lonestarnot Jul 2014 #62

So, criminal rule #1: Calista241 Jul 2014 #67

Constitution, schmonstitution, am I right?. woo me with science Jul 2014 #68

That information will always be available to them Calista241 Jul 2014 #70

If the cops take their time and do their jobs properly, woo me with science Jul 2014 #71

Sorry, I thought saying "do their jobs properly" Calista241 Jul 2014 #72

I think the whole point of this thread is that warrants are being resisted, woo me with science Jul 2014 #73

Because when you basically have to suck up most EVERY CALL & EMAIL to do what you want librechik Jul 2014 #69

Warrants don't matter.. gerogie2 Jul 2014 #76

Yeah, better to just give up our rights. Constitution, schmonstitution. woo me with science Jul 2014 #79

kick woo me with science Jul 2014 #80

kick woo me with science Jul 2014 #83

Government support be the Leaders rwkj57 Jul 2014 #85