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3. Maybe the goal should be better speech rather than more speech.

Wed Jul 16, 2014, 03:26 AM

Jul 2014

While the guarantee of the 1st amendment is essentially universal, outside of direct threats and incitements, it is meant to insure where law cannot infringe, not explicate how language should be used.

It is up to ourselves, both as individuals and as a social group, to use language responsibly and not simply in stupid abundance.

So, when the OP asks if it is "okay" for conservatives to call Hillary a name, they are not asking if it should be legal or illegal but instead whether or not you find it ethically objectionable.

We need to enter these discussions with an implicit understanding associated with 1st amendment guarantees and then move on to the subject at hand.

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Are you okay with the right wing calling Hillary Clinton a bitch? [View all] Luminous Animal Jul 2014 OP

I'm 'ok' with the 1st amendment... Hofbrau Jul 2014 #1

Maybe the goal should be better speech rather than more speech. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #3

Hence the second part of that statement... Hofbrau Jul 2014 #8

Uh, that's not necessarily protected by the First Amendment. moriah Jul 2014 #9

You are overthinking it a bit... Hofbrau Jul 2014 #11

What I'm saying is, if you really do "reserve the right to curse out anyone"..... moriah Jul 2014 #12

Sigh... Hofbrau Jul 2014 #13

Those consequences may also be legal ones, despite you thinking it's protected speech. moriah Jul 2014 #22

Yes, I'm afraid we have.. whathehell Jul 2014 #26

Clearly, you are H2O Man Jul 2014 #39

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I'd say that H2O Man Jul 2014 #43

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Actually, H2O Man Jul 2014 #46

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I wonder if that troll was someone's sock. nt redqueen Jul 2014 #84

Thanks, same here, card carrying ACLU member Warpy Jul 2014 #57

As is calling Obama a n****r a compliment to him. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #60

St. Bonaventure. Chan790 Jul 2014 #80

So, you are okay with calling Obama a n****r. Because, you know. Free speech! Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #58

OK with saying it? No. OK with the right to say it? Yes. Throd Jul 2014 #92

The first amendment applies to government prosecution, etc., not to your opinion. merrily Jul 2014 #61

I don't really care what they call her... TreasonousBastard Jul 2014 #2

Not true, when you continue to ignore the nastiness, it tends to increase in volume.... AuntPatsy Jul 2014 #5

stupid move, just makes women angry and riles up the clintonites nt msongs Jul 2014 #4

But that's obviously the point. betsuni Jul 2014 #6

more relevant is whether WE call her a bitch Enrique Jul 2014 #7

I'm surprised such posters weren't PPRed. delrem Jul 2014 #10

Do you have an instance of that? joshcryer Jul 2014 #15

no, but I don't care much about the individual poster Enrique Jul 2014 #16

agree, I don't care what the right calls her. I care about what we call her. As long as it's not Katashi_itto Jul 2014 #73

Not especially, but... Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #14

Not to mention there are plenty of profane insults one can use which don't necessarily invoke gender nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #65

My answer is No JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #17

Frankly, I am NOT OK with ANYONE using BlueMTexpat Jul 2014 #18

Very well said. redqueen Jul 2014 #27

+1,000 CountAllVotes Jul 2014 #31

agree, not against any Republican woman either or anyone nt steve2470 Jul 2014 #71

Don't like it JoDog Jul 2014 #19

Just because two well-empowered women think it is OK that CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #35

Why doesn't it? Do you how long it takes to proudly own the title of Bitch? I worked long and hard Hestia Jul 2014 #50

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Really. I watched my daughter being called a bitch because she didn't smile when a random stranger Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #62

And if not incomprehensible, then awfully strawman-y... n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #66

Touche! RobinA Jul 2014 #75

Why do you think that how you and your friends use the words matters? redqueen Jul 2014 #86

No. But I'm fine with the left wing calling her a pro wall street middle of the roader nt. el_bryanto Jul 2014 #20

And I'm not OK with DU doing it either. nt TBF Jul 2014 #21

I'm not okay with anyone calling her a bitch, Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #23

I agree. nt cyberswede Jul 2014 #25

I'm not okay with primitive, juvenile name-calling and bullying LWolf Jul 2014 #24

Much of the right wing dialog is that of a 7th grade playground. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2014 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #29

There are DUers who will call and raise ANYTHING that she is called by the right. 11 Bravo Jul 2014 #30

I am not okay with the right wing calling ANYBODY a bitch. Why limit it to Clinton? djean111 Jul 2014 #32

Now that is a tough one because of course we do not approve of it, but CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #33

No. And people should also refrain from snarky comments conservaphobe Jul 2014 #34

no, but Spirochete Jul 2014 #36

I don't care one way or the other. Polite political discourse is a thing of the past... badtoworse Jul 2014 #37

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I don't really care about much of anything the right wing says. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #41

It would be better if they didn't do it, but why should anybody be surprised? tularetom Jul 2014 #42

No but it doesn't surprise me sarisataka Jul 2014 #44

As long as I can call Dick Cheney a dick, I figure it is all even. McCamy Taylor Jul 2014 #47

Many DUers have called conservative figures worse... HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #48

I don't like it when anyone calls another person that. It's a sexist slur. nt Zorra Jul 2014 #51

IDON'Tagree with ayone calling Hillary or any other public figure a "B",but napi21 Jul 2014 #52

If the real-world result is that it contributes substantially to them losing a big election to her Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #53

Anybody who voted yes should be banned from this site. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #55

What about Sarah Palin? Would it be okay to call her a bitch? Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #56

Its just a dishonorable thing to do and it would show nilesobek Jul 2014 #63

it's not OK imho to call Sarah Palin a bitch steve2470 Jul 2014 #69

It's not okay to cal ANYBODY that word. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #72

it's the usual pathetic folk Skittles Jul 2014 #88

Hell no RobertEarl Jul 2014 #59

I don't think the word should be banned but it's an ugly word I never use aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #64

That's fiction, though. I've laughed at plenty of things in movies that would horrify me IRL. n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #67

The right is full of some real idiots Gothmog Jul 2014 #68

Screw 'em. doxydad Jul 2014 #70

It's expected from the GOP and I can't say much since I've call GOP women a whole lot worse. Vinca Jul 2014 #74

Fuck no nt ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #76

No, but a lot of people here seem to excuse it from LW Clinton haters bluestateguy Jul 2014 #77

It isn't ok mindem Jul 2014 #78

that is when they are being nice dembotoz Jul 2014 #79

No, I'm not OK with the RW calling her that epithet. Beacool Jul 2014 #81

It's inevitable - It's how she handles it that counts... lame54 Jul 2014 #82

How do we beat the bitch? Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #83

I oppose anyone calling anyone else a bitch. MineralMan Jul 2014 #85

Question Needs An Answer? ProfessorGAC Jul 2014 #87

NO. Of course, the right wing WILL do it treestar Jul 2014 #89

Now who do think their calling Clinton a "bitch" reflects poorly on? rock Jul 2014 #90

It's not a great term AndreaCG Jul 2014 #91

I oppose their very existence so I would oppose them calling her a child of God. TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #93

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