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25. The reason why there are so many angles is that the argument is tautological.

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 03:29 AM

Jul 2014

It can be made to mean almost anything because it is valid through repeating the claim in the conclusion.

We can simplify the argument to mean:

The enemy of the Democratic party is that group which is the party's enemy.

Because the argument is valid, which isn't to say that it's true, it allows the label of "enemy" to be applied to any subject we choose. By failing to inform the argument, we cannot argue against it. That is why the OP is refusing to define the terms used. Which speaks to another tautology that "a definition is self-apparent because it is self-apparent." Yes, that is valid but it says nothing about what we're talking about.

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Democratic Party is very united [View all] RobertEarl Jul 2014 OP

IMO, it's about New Democrats vs. traditional Democrats, merrily Jul 2014 #1

It is about PUMAs RobertEarl Jul 2014 #2

That is your opinion. As far as saying that traditional Democrats are the merrily Jul 2014 #3

Look where they've got us RobertEarl Jul 2014 #4

Again, traditional Democrats are not cons. merrily Jul 2014 #5

FDR and LBJ traditionalists? Ha! RobertEarl Jul 2014 #9

I didn't say they were traditionalists. I said they were traditional merrily Jul 2014 #10

I am speaking in modern times. RobertEarl Jul 2014 #12

Um, I am speaking in modern times, too, given I have no time machine. merrily Jul 2014 #14

You've replied a lot here RobertEarl Jul 2014 #15

If you don't want me to reply, don't post to me. BTW, what have you said? merrily Jul 2014 #19

Control and stifle are your words RobertEarl Jul 2014 #24

The words of yours I quoted in my posts support my use of those words. merrily Jul 2014 #27

No they don't RobertEarl Jul 2014 #30

Nope. I neither made up words nor ascribed any to you that were not merrily Jul 2014 #32

Bwahahaha! RobertEarl Jul 2014 #35

I should have said "either quotation marks or block quote." merrily Jul 2014 #39

PS, Control was your word, and in more than one post. merrily Jul 2014 #34

Put in context RobertEarl Jul 2014 #38

In your rhetorical universe, have hippies become the sort of wise, savage shamans? Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #17

PS, Obama got elected by appearing to run to Hillary's left. merrily Jul 2014 #7

"So, where we are now is where Reagan Democrats and New Democrats got us." nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #18

Where did traditional Democrats get the party after LBJ? Drunken Irishman Jul 2014 #41

Your OP is weirdly paranoid and almost completely detached from reality. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #6

Thank you. merrily Jul 2014 #8

They be PUMAS RobertEarl Jul 2014 #11

Whether or not a group represents the exact majority opinion of the party, they are still the party. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #13

Until he complies with my request to furnish his definition of "liberal progressive," I merrily Jul 2014 #16

He does seem a little confused about his terminology, if nothing else... nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #20

Pastor, you're preaching to the choir. merrily Jul 2014 #23

No shit. DURHAM D Jul 2014 #51

I told you what i think RobertEarl Jul 2014 #21

Nope, you never gave me your definition of "liberal progressive." merrily Jul 2014 #22

You discuss like they do RobertEarl Jul 2014 #26

Nope. You never defined "Liberal progressive." merrily Jul 2014 #28

Nice dancing RobertEarl Jul 2014 #29

More "the left of the Party is conservative and rw" bs. All you've got apparently. merrily Jul 2014 #31

I see what you are doing, now RobertEarl Jul 2014 #33

Again, you see nothing. merrily Jul 2014 #36

You'll be back RobertEarl Jul 2014 #40

Please do not tell other DUers to "Go away." MineralMan Jul 2014 #54

The reason why there are so many angles is that the argument is tautological. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #25

You put is so beautifully, while I call it "the left of the Party is conservative" bs. merrily Jul 2014 #37

That poster did not attack you. Instead, it was your OP that MineralMan Jul 2014 #53

I agree. But that seems to be a thing with him. Squinch Jul 2014 #46

+1 nt. NCTraveler Jul 2014 #48

Not sure but. PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #42

Wow RobertEarl Jul 2014 #43

2016 is a way away PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #44

Hope you are here all the way RobertEarl Jul 2014 #45

I thought the term PUMA died in 2010. NCTraveler Jul 2014 #47

This is too funny! BKH70041 Jul 2014 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author conservaphobe Jul 2014 #50

I sincerely hope PUMA thinks twice about fucking up DU again. tridim Jul 2014 #52