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6. At present I'd invoke KAL 007 or the USS Vincennes over Franz Ferdinand...

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 04:33 PM

Jul 2014

...as long as one keeps in mind that the potential is there to spiral into FF-hood.

People with missiles expecting trouble and forgetting that civilians are in the mix too, not just the people messing with them.

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The "Archduke Ferdinand" Moment in Ukraine? [View all] JackRiddler Jul 2014 OP

Vibes to all the families. May this hurt the warmongers applegrove Jul 2014 #1

So do you think that this Archduke Ferdinand moment will spark a conflict and escalate SummerSnow Jul 2014 #2

No, I'm thinking it has that potential. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #5

Thom mentioned this too...I worry about ANY neocon/rightwing influence in the WH whether randys1 Jul 2014 #3

if you mean it will result in a world war, No , but if you mean it may result in some huge change JI7 Jul 2014 #4

At present I'd invoke KAL 007 or the USS Vincennes over Franz Ferdinand... JHB Jul 2014 #6

My best guess is that it's not Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #7

No. Rex Jul 2014 #8

Pre-WWI Europe was a very different place, so no, closeupready Jul 2014 #9

So was 1962 Cuba. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #18

It could go hot anytime.... SidDithers Jul 2014 #10

I know. It felt weird to me also. Maybe it is just the WWI documentaries I have been watching lately anneboleyn Jul 2014 #55

Breaking: Ukrainian Security Chief Accuses Russian Intel... JackRiddler Jul 2014 #11

No. joshcryer Jul 2014 #12

Thank you, Jen Psaki. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #13

Huh? Obama has no problem using drones. joshcryer Jul 2014 #14

Wait, you're proposing U.S. war in Ukraine?! JackRiddler Jul 2014 #16

I'm saying what's going to happen. joshcryer Jul 2014 #20

I'm alleging nothing, unlike you. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #22

The rebels already said they did it. joshcryer Jul 2014 #24

Try linking to back up your claims. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #26

Here you go: joshcryer Jul 2014 #30

Very good. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #35

I think the "second plane" was a rumor. joshcryer Jul 2014 #36

I have that uneasy feeling. Brigid Jul 2014 #15

No. Itchinjim Jul 2014 #17

No. No similarity to Archduke Ferdinand assassination whatsoever. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #19

Sigh. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #23

No, because there aren't entangling alliances... HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #27

I hope you're right. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #29

in that scenario Maylaysia is the offended party, but not likely to declare war on anyone nt msongs Jul 2014 #21

Less literalism, please. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #25

Pure Hyperbole. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #28

Okay, be as literalist as you like. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #31

If the Yugoslavian civil war didn't start WW3.... HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #37

You got it. Springslips Jul 2014 #45

This situation is not remotely similar to the Jenoch Jul 2014 #32

"The Russians"? "The Ukrainians"? JackRiddler Jul 2014 #33

Some of the Russian separatists might be Jenoch Jul 2014 #38

I'm not speculating. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #39

If Putin did not provid the Russian SAMs, Jenoch Jul 2014 #41

The Ukrainian army reorg Jul 2014 #42

Shhh! None of this obvious stuff, please. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #44

Even if the SAM battery was once under control of the Ukrainian government, amandabeech Jul 2014 #54

I give you credit for trying - TBF Jul 2014 #34

Something like that, yeah. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #40

I thought your post 39 TBF Jul 2014 #43

Thanks. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #52

The BUK system requires extensive training. roamer65 Jul 2014 #46

Some of the separatists are Ukrainian military. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #51

Perhaps dflprincess Jul 2014 #47

I thought about "Archduke Ferdinand" as soon as I heard this news. Renew Deal Jul 2014 #48

I actually thought of this also. 100 years ago this summer. anneboleyn Jul 2014 #53

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh.....................................no. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #49

Some guy on CNN just compared it to the Lucitania Renew Deal Jul 2014 #50

No, not even a Juv�nal Habyarimana moment Capt. Obvious Jul 2014 #56

2001: Ukraine military accidentally shot down passenger plane JackRiddler Jul 2014 #57

It is WWIII economically lovuian Jul 2014 #58