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In reply to the discussion: Heartbreaking....Life Below the Poverty Line in Troy, New York....pics [View all]KansDem
(28,498 posts)14. Wait! Wait! I see a refrigerator!
STUART VARNEY (guest host): A new report showing poor families in the United States are not what they used to be. Now, many poor families have homes with cable TV, cell phones, computers, you name it -- much, much, more. My next guest is digging up all of this stuff. Robert Rector is with the Heritage Foundation.
Robert, I'm just going to give our viewers a quick run-through of what items poor families in America have. Ninety-nine percent of them have a refrigerator. Eighty-one percent have a microwave. Seventy-eight percent have air conditioning. Sixty-three percent have cable TV. Fifty-four percent have cell phones. Forty-eight percent have a coffee maker -- I'm not surprised, they're only about 10 bucks. Thirty-eight percent have a computer. Thirty-two percent have more than two TVs. Twenty-five percent have a dishwasher.
This, Sir, Mr. Rector, is very different what it was just a few years ago, isn't it?
ROBERT RECTOR (Heritage Foundation senior research fellow): No, actually what you see is that the living standards of the poor have increased rather steadily for the last 30 years. And in fact, the poverty report has not accurately reflected their living conditions really for several decades.
VARNEY: Now, I understand that today, the federal government says 14 percent of the population lives in poverty, and that's roughly the same as it was back in 1966, before all the Great Society programs. But doesn't that look poverty as a financial, a monetary thing?
RECTOR: Yes, part of the reason that when you look at the actual living conditions of the 43 million people that the Census says are poor, you see that in fact, they have all these modern conveniences. If you ask them, did your family have enough food to eat at all times during the last year, the overwhelming majority will say yes. If you ask them were you able to meet any medical needs you may have had, they will say yes.
The typical poor family in the United States lives in a house or an apartment and actually has more living space than the average European. Not a poor European, but the average Frenchman or the average German.
So, in fact, there really isn't any connection between the government's identification of poor people and the actual living standards and the typical American -- when an American hears the word "poverty," he's thinking about somebody that doesn't have enough food to eat, someone that's possibly homeless. It's not true. [Fox News, Your World with Neil Cavuto, 7/19/11]
http://mediamatters.org/research/2011/07/22/fox-cites-ownership-of-appliances-to-downplay-h/148574
Robert, I'm just going to give our viewers a quick run-through of what items poor families in America have. Ninety-nine percent of them have a refrigerator. Eighty-one percent have a microwave. Seventy-eight percent have air conditioning. Sixty-three percent have cable TV. Fifty-four percent have cell phones. Forty-eight percent have a coffee maker -- I'm not surprised, they're only about 10 bucks. Thirty-eight percent have a computer. Thirty-two percent have more than two TVs. Twenty-five percent have a dishwasher.
This, Sir, Mr. Rector, is very different what it was just a few years ago, isn't it?
ROBERT RECTOR (Heritage Foundation senior research fellow): No, actually what you see is that the living standards of the poor have increased rather steadily for the last 30 years. And in fact, the poverty report has not accurately reflected their living conditions really for several decades.
VARNEY: Now, I understand that today, the federal government says 14 percent of the population lives in poverty, and that's roughly the same as it was back in 1966, before all the Great Society programs. But doesn't that look poverty as a financial, a monetary thing?
RECTOR: Yes, part of the reason that when you look at the actual living conditions of the 43 million people that the Census says are poor, you see that in fact, they have all these modern conveniences. If you ask them, did your family have enough food to eat at all times during the last year, the overwhelming majority will say yes. If you ask them were you able to meet any medical needs you may have had, they will say yes.
The typical poor family in the United States lives in a house or an apartment and actually has more living space than the average European. Not a poor European, but the average Frenchman or the average German.
So, in fact, there really isn't any connection between the government's identification of poor people and the actual living standards and the typical American -- when an American hears the word "poverty," he's thinking about somebody that doesn't have enough food to eat, someone that's possibly homeless. It's not true. [Fox News, Your World with Neil Cavuto, 7/19/11]
http://mediamatters.org/research/2011/07/22/fox-cites-ownership-of-appliances-to-downplay-h/148574

So they can't be that poor!
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Heartbreaking....Life Below the Poverty Line in Troy, New York....pics [View all]
one_voice
Jul 2014
OP
Would you say that smoking contributes to their problems or mitigates them?
lumberjack_jeff
Jul 2014
#7
Does the cost interfere with his ability to provide nutrition for Malia and Sasha? n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Jul 2014
#13
If the cost of that education was DOUBLE the amount spent on TANF AND WIC it'd be a bargain.
lumberjack_jeff
Jul 2014
#51
Yup and we aren't going to get out of it if we just ignore the problem...
SomethingFishy
Jul 2014
#57
That's just it, it's *self-perpetuating*. Individual choice is a relatively minor factor
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#91
I agree. But stagnating wages have been absolutely ruinous to much of Middle America.
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#107
No other group is in such great need of help yet getting the wrong kind.
lumberjack_jeff
Jul 2014
#54
Perhaps that woman's check should be taken away because of her spending on cigs????
nikto
Jul 2014
#36
In my experience, poor people buy at the convenience store, one pack at a time.
lumberjack_jeff
Jul 2014
#46
I just checked the average price of a pack in IL. Its $11.59/pack! I had no idea
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#60
I think that it's fair to take what we know (cigarettes in NY cost $14.65 on average)
lumberjack_jeff
Jul 2014
#89
With your first post, you correctly identified 67.3% of their problem. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Jul 2014
#77
Addictive substances don't care how much money you make or how few resources you have.
Skeeter Barnes
Jul 2014
#32
Poor people would still be poor without the smokes. Ignoring that fact is just stupid. n/t
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#93
That last picture of what I assume is a woman crying while holding her baby.....
a kennedy
Jul 2014
#3
don't be so sure. greyhound gets a fair amount of 1 way tickets bought by bodies of government
dembotoz
Jul 2014
#28
Sounds kind of like the ideas: Works Progress Administration and the Tennessee Valley Authority...
Moostache
Jul 2014
#22
I see printers in there, that's why I'm confused by the term "photocopier". n/t
OnlinePoker
Jul 2014
#88
this is why so many who gain weight through eating bad foods are lower income people
JI7
Jul 2014
#45
it's so stupid also, and it's usually those who have money that could do without tv, phone fridge
JI7
Jul 2014
#47