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amandabeech

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54. Even if the SAM battery was once under control of the Ukrainian government,

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 11:57 PM

Jul 2014

anyone or any country that supports or can be shown to have any control over the separatists will be tarred by this.

Any egregious action by the separatists in Ukraine will tarnish Putin, because Putin will either be accused of approving the action, or will be accused of not keeping those he supports under control.

If the separatists did this, and to me it looks most likely that they did, Putin must distance himself from their actions, and fast, or he will be regarded as complicit by many around the world.

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The "Archduke Ferdinand" Moment in Ukraine? [View all] JackRiddler Jul 2014 OP

Vibes to all the families. May this hurt the warmongers applegrove Jul 2014 #1

So do you think that this Archduke Ferdinand moment will spark a conflict and escalate SummerSnow Jul 2014 #2

No, I'm thinking it has that potential. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #5

Thom mentioned this too...I worry about ANY neocon/rightwing influence in the WH whether randys1 Jul 2014 #3

if you mean it will result in a world war, No , but if you mean it may result in some huge change JI7 Jul 2014 #4

At present I'd invoke KAL 007 or the USS Vincennes over Franz Ferdinand... JHB Jul 2014 #6

My best guess is that it's not Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #7

No. Rex Jul 2014 #8

Pre-WWI Europe was a very different place, so no, closeupready Jul 2014 #9

So was 1962 Cuba. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #18

It could go hot anytime.... SidDithers Jul 2014 #10

I know. It felt weird to me also. Maybe it is just the WWI documentaries I have been watching lately anneboleyn Jul 2014 #55

Breaking: Ukrainian Security Chief Accuses Russian Intel... JackRiddler Jul 2014 #11

No. joshcryer Jul 2014 #12

Thank you, Jen Psaki. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #13

Huh? Obama has no problem using drones. joshcryer Jul 2014 #14

Wait, you're proposing U.S. war in Ukraine?! JackRiddler Jul 2014 #16

I'm saying what's going to happen. joshcryer Jul 2014 #20

I'm alleging nothing, unlike you. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #22

The rebels already said they did it. joshcryer Jul 2014 #24

Try linking to back up your claims. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #26

Here you go: joshcryer Jul 2014 #30

Very good. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #35

I think the "second plane" was a rumor. joshcryer Jul 2014 #36

I have that uneasy feeling. Brigid Jul 2014 #15

No. Itchinjim Jul 2014 #17

No. No similarity to Archduke Ferdinand assassination whatsoever. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #19

Sigh. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #23

No, because there aren't entangling alliances... HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #27

I hope you're right. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #29

in that scenario Maylaysia is the offended party, but not likely to declare war on anyone nt msongs Jul 2014 #21

Less literalism, please. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #25

Pure Hyperbole. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #28

Okay, be as literalist as you like. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #31

If the Yugoslavian civil war didn't start WW3.... HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #37

You got it. Springslips Jul 2014 #45

This situation is not remotely similar to the Jenoch Jul 2014 #32

"The Russians"? "The Ukrainians"? JackRiddler Jul 2014 #33

Some of the Russian separatists might be Jenoch Jul 2014 #38

I'm not speculating. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #39

If Putin did not provid the Russian SAMs, Jenoch Jul 2014 #41

The Ukrainian army reorg Jul 2014 #42

Shhh! None of this obvious stuff, please. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #44

Even if the SAM battery was once under control of the Ukrainian government, amandabeech Jul 2014 #54

I give you credit for trying - TBF Jul 2014 #34

Something like that, yeah. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #40

I thought your post 39 TBF Jul 2014 #43

Thanks. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #52

The BUK system requires extensive training. roamer65 Jul 2014 #46

Some of the separatists are Ukrainian military. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #51

Perhaps dflprincess Jul 2014 #47

I thought about "Archduke Ferdinand" as soon as I heard this news. Renew Deal Jul 2014 #48

I actually thought of this also. 100 years ago this summer. anneboleyn Jul 2014 #53

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh.....................................no. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #49

Some guy on CNN just compared it to the Lucitania Renew Deal Jul 2014 #50

No, not even a Juv�nal Habyarimana moment Capt. Obvious Jul 2014 #56

2001: Ukraine military accidentally shot down passenger plane JackRiddler Jul 2014 #57

It is WWIII economically lovuian Jul 2014 #58