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164. A poll as to who is responsible

Fri Jul 18, 2014, 12:19 AM

Jul 2014

opens up all kinds of speculation. Why did this flight fly into dangerous territory, when previous flights stayed south? Seems like a valid question. I have no position on Tesla, seems like a very expensive car to achieve what it does, but that has nothing to do with this OP.

I enjoyed listening to Rachael Maddow tonight relating the story of how the U.S. shot down an Iranian jetliner, ~1988 I believe. First it was an F-14, then maybe they were wrong about that, then it was a mistake.. These stories take a while to get to reality, and then do we ever know for sure?

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Who shot down the Malaysian airliner? [View all] another_liberal Jul 2014 OP

Gee, let me go check rt to see... Spazito Jul 2014 #1

By all means . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #6

Well, I did find a hidden thread containing rt's propaganda... Spazito Jul 2014 #14

Are you accusing me of something? another_liberal Jul 2014 #36

You asked me to tell you what I found out... Spazito Jul 2014 #47

Very funny. another_liberal Jul 2014 #56

I refer you back to post #47 n/t Spazito Jul 2014 #59

Did you see what RT reported?... SidDithers Jul 2014 #9

Yep, a very good hide, I hope rt is hidden every time it is posted... Spazito Jul 2014 #18

jury results on that. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #134

Good alert, from the alerter... SidDithers Jul 2014 #178

(Sigh!) Can we just wait for the investigation to be completed? LongTomH Jul 2014 #2

I was curious as to how people reacted initially . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #12

Because peope voting in a poll on sufrommich Jul 2014 #17

Can't tell you. Agschmid Jul 2014 #3

Still rootin' for Putin, are we? Throd Jul 2014 #4

Not me. another_liberal Jul 2014 #15

Unless, of course, Hamas or Russia are the ones doing the fighting. name not needed Jul 2014 #57

ROFLMAO! William769 Jul 2014 #117

Separatists controlled by Russia. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #5

Or sometimes not so controlled flamingdem Jul 2014 #7

I should've said loosely controlled. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #10

One point of clarification/correction. Chan790 Jul 2014 #8

I had not seen that report . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author Chan790 Jul 2014 #24

How the fuck can someone think Ukraine shot it down? NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #11

I don't follow you . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #22

Because they have no reason to do so. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #44

They don't think that. Not really. Codeine Jul 2014 #48

This.There must be some kind of sufrommich Jul 2014 #55

Not positively known yet. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #13

I still think it was another Ukrainian screw up. another_liberal Jul 2014 #54

Of couse you do. nt sufrommich Jul 2014 #69

I suspect this poll isn't going to go the way you and RT hope...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #16

This is not something that is open to opinions frazzled Jul 2014 #20

That's why it's called a poll . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #46

A poll is not appropriate for probing such questions frazzled Jul 2014 #58

Pushingest push poll in the history of push polling. Codeine Jul 2014 #21

Don't imagine you know my motives . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #27

Dude, you're as opaque as a pickle jar. Throd Jul 2014 #29

LOL!! thucythucy Jul 2014 #82

Your motives have been clear for a while n/t maddezmom Jul 2014 #32

Are you accusing of something now? another_liberal Jul 2014 #41

I am accusing you of being a cheerleader for the regime of Vladimir Putin and his interests. Throd Jul 2014 #53

I do no such thing. another_liberal Jul 2014 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author thucythucy Jul 2014 #87

When do you imagine I said that? another_liberal Jul 2014 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author thucythucy Jul 2014 #104

Never saw that and the link isn't working for me maddezmom Jul 2014 #107

Link also not working for me... Agschmid Jul 2014 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author thucythucy Jul 2014 #110

Delete the period from the link and it will work, it's at the very end. Agschmid Jul 2014 #112

Ah! Thank you! thucythucy Jul 2014 #113

I don't see where the poster said what you insinuate... Agschmid Jul 2014 #114

You're right. thucythucy Jul 2014 #128

Thanks. Agschmid Jul 2014 #130

I can't find the post, at least not tonight thucythucy Jul 2014 #136

No apologies needed you did the right thing, clearly we are on the same page here... Agschmid Jul 2014 #139

More importantly, I apologized to Another Liberal, thucythucy Jul 2014 #147

It was said here in this post but by another poster: EX500rider Jul 2014 #202

Interesting, Ma'am: There Is Certainly Something Going On.... The Magistrate Jul 2014 #125

I thought it came from a post you'd written in another thread, thucythucy Jul 2014 #142

To elaborate: thucythucy Jul 2014 #154

Thanks again for doing the right thing! Agschmid Jul 2014 #161

So tell us your thoughts on Putin? maddezmom Jul 2014 #102

No accusation, just stating the obvious to anyone paying attention. maddezmom Jul 2014 #61

correct Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #67

The obvious being . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #75

I think by the responses on this thread you can figure it out. maddezmom Jul 2014 #76

You just won't own up to it . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #95

LOL!!!!!!!! maddezmom Jul 2014 #98

I'll just jump in here... Agschmid Jul 2014 #91

Your point is what? another_liberal Jul 2014 #97

My point is you have a clear agenda, which you have now repeatedly denied. Agschmid Jul 2014 #99

Well Done, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #133

Thank you maddezmom Jul 2014 #100

SHe is not accusing you of anything, she is stating fact. William769 Jul 2014 #127

Your motives are as clear Codeine Jul 2014 #37

You are a poet . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #40

Kudos for the Clockwork Orange reference!! onenote Jul 2014 #119

Glad someone got it! Codeine Jul 2014 #124

Sucks to RT's ass-mar, too. MineralMan Jul 2014 #193

I haven't really had a side to root for in this conflict, but it looks pretty bad for the rebels. Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #23

And those transcripts came from who? another_liberal Jul 2014 #31

I prefer to use Occam's Razor here. Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #39

Syria DID almost certainly use sarin gas as later UN reports showed karynnj Jul 2014 #182

.... Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #25

Maybe the Ukrainians wanted to try and score their own success . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #35

Maybe. Or maybe it was aliens. Or Freemasons. Codeine Jul 2014 #43

Mossad doesn't make mistakes like this. Chan790 Jul 2014 #60

They sure did in Lillehammer... GliderGuider Jul 2014 #62

Sure, and they made that separatist leader post something on his social media feed... Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #45

That would only make sense if the Ukrainian government was suicidal. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author thucythucy Jul 2014 #96

Don't know. bigwillq Jul 2014 #26

Someone in the Ukraine, using Russian-supplied surface-to-air equipment, not shoulder fired, either, MADem Jul 2014 #28

Or, as is being claimed, the separatists used a Ukrainian missile system they confiscated. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #33

I'm sure the entire crew is no longer around. joshcryer Jul 2014 #157

The separatists claimed responsibility for the attack when they thought it was a military plane... Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #30

I have not seen that report . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #38

Sure you did...in the LBN thread. maddezmom Jul 2014 #65

Nope. another_liberal Jul 2014 #168

You were given the link here I believe....did you look? maddezmom Jul 2014 #170

You call that a believable source! another_liberal Jul 2014 #173

LOL!!!!!! maddezmom Jul 2014 #174

Have you looked a the link yet? maddezmom Jul 2014 #172

Google cache of their claiming responsibility: joshcryer Jul 2014 #42

What a source! another_liberal Jul 2014 #49

That's Strelkov's official feed. joshcryer Jul 2014 #51

Here, does this help? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #84

Does this one help? maddezmom Jul 2014 #103

Excluding a conspiracy by the Ukrainian government to hack his account, that's pretty definitive. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #64

If there was an Indonesian going to Thompson University... joshcryer Jul 2014 #88

Here's where it's going to get tricky... Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #94

Someone royally fucked up. joshcryer Jul 2014 #105

Is McCain looking for another wife? mindwalker_i Jul 2014 #34

So, a poll of people who have no information is how we MineralMan Jul 2014 #50

A poll won't decide anything, not at all. another_liberal Jul 2014 #68

All the evidence? maddezmom Jul 2014 #72

My opinion . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #77

You are entitled to it maddezmom Jul 2014 #79

No, you said evidence. GP6971 Jul 2014 #115

Why the silence? GP6971 Jul 2014 #132

Refer to my earlier posts . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #169

Nobody on DU knows! MineralMan Jul 2014 #74

I don't think polls, even this one, are worthless Kaleva Jul 2014 #123

'When All Evidence Points To Kiev'. You Say, Sir? Do Please Pass On This Evidence.... The Magistrate Jul 2014 #86

What evidence points to Kiev? n/t GP6971 Jul 2014 #93

What is this evidence you speak of? IronGate Jul 2014 #101

What evidence? Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #131

No posts since 8:32... Agschmid Jul 2014 #153

Correction: I think you meant "none of the evidence points to Kiev." EX500rider Jul 2014 #200

It's like a poll about which NFL team had the best draft. Kaleva Jul 2014 #92

I didn't vote either. old guy Jul 2014 #158

I want to step back JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #52

This thread is all kinds of awesome... SidDithers Jul 2014 #66

I posted it just for you, of course. another_liberal Jul 2014 #71

Ain't that the truth? greatauntoftriplets Jul 2014 #73

It's not just a river in Egypt is it? lol EX500rider Jul 2014 #206

Yep FBaggins Jul 2014 #85

Russians in Ukraine. Duh. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #70

Russians might be better trained... HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #83

Like a chimpanzee with a shotgun. Throd Jul 2014 #111

They could have captured the SAMs from Ukr Army, HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #129

This one is a complete stinker ... Trajan Jul 2014 #78

To be determined. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #80

I don't know, but I suspect the separatists. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #89

The bigger question is zappaman Jul 2014 #106

Amazing push poll, even better results. Love it. n/t Godhumor Jul 2014 #109

I guess you gave given up trying to blame Ukraine for trying to shoot down Putins plane. William769 Jul 2014 #116

Did you see this one? geek tragedy Jul 2014 #118

OMFG! William769 Jul 2014 #121

I like that when they posted the OP they used an image which wasn't even Putin's plane. Agschmid Jul 2014 #122

I work in air defense Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #135

I'm sure the camera would have the clarity to see 4 vs. 2 engines. Agschmid Jul 2014 #137

Maybe someone failed math and couldn't tell? greatauntoftriplets Jul 2014 #138

Lord, they failed out early. Agschmid Jul 2014 #140

Yeah, the difference is pretty hard to miss. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2014 #141

depending on distance Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #148

That's this poster?! herding cats Jul 2014 #150

No, this one is known for believing only what Putin tells him to believe nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #151

I've run into some of that today so I'm not saying it doesn't happen here. herding cats Jul 2014 #155

Exactly herding.. Cha Jul 2014 #163

Everyone lost is a tragedy. herding cats Jul 2014 #166

Obama, of course! Roy Serohz Jul 2014 #120

Quote: Obama shot the jet down. L0oniX Jul 2014 #126

Donetsk, don't tell. betsuni Jul 2014 #143

Booooooooooooooo! Throd Jul 2014 #146

This was the same type of plane -- and the same airline! -- that was lost KamaAina Jul 2014 #144

Yup. Agschmid Jul 2014 #149

Considering the US government has stated they tracked the missile system used, yes. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #159

God Strelnikov_ Jul 2014 #145

talk about polling the uninformed.... mike_c Jul 2014 #152

Lighten up already. another_liberal Jul 2014 #167

Bookmarking maddezmom Jul 2014 #171

And you're going to look like a toadie when it comes out Codeine Jul 2014 #175

And your going to look like an idiot when it comes out that pro russian rebels IronGate Jul 2014 #192

A better question ozone_man Jul 2014 #156

The website also says Tesla cars are a conspiracy theory... Yipes. Agschmid Jul 2014 #162

A poll as to who is responsible ozone_man Jul 2014 #164

Probably incompetent separatists. moondust Jul 2014 #160

This looks most likely - TBF Jul 2014 #183

Putin's missile. Cha Jul 2014 #165

I skipped voting last time I saw this thread, but after seeing the Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #176

Too soon to tell. Jamastiene Jul 2014 #177

NOW CONFIRMED, SEPARATISTS FIRED THE MISSILE MohRokTah Jul 2014 #179

Think they will self delete... Agschmid Jul 2014 #184

They've obviously looked into Putin's soul MohRokTah Jul 2014 #186

I know the beating of the war drums is fierce - TBF Jul 2014 #190

Looks more like depraved indifference MohRokTah Jul 2014 #191

Someone will double down Bad Thoughts Jul 2014 #187

We are now on about the 6th double down... Agschmid Jul 2014 #189

I love the tranparency of "Show Usernames" in a poll like this one...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #180

Mr. Ghazi underpants Jul 2014 #181

The NSA shot it down, hoping to pin it on Snowden. randome Jul 2014 #185

Code name was Operation Snow Job n/t Godhumor Jul 2014 #188

instead of just calling them "separatists" why don't you go all in and call them "freedom fighters" snooper2 Jul 2014 #194

Kick for more visibility...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #195

So now that the separatist scum are keeping Codeine Jul 2014 #196

Where is the OP? nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #197

Discretion is the better part of valor? Lol nt Codeine Jul 2014 #199

Benghazi! KamaAina Jul 2014 #198

Poll says 83% Russians love and trust Putin randys1 Jul 2014 #201

Has the OP flown the coop? Codeine Jul 2014 #203

shame kick! nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #204

The OP clearly realized his agenda was a lost cause. Codeine Jul 2014 #205

Kicking...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #207

another_liberal, come back!! We promise to be nice! Codeine Jul 2014 #208

You don't have to be nice . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #210

Bush did it! Calista241 Jul 2014 #209