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truebluegreen

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25. Raging? Really?

Fri Jul 18, 2014, 10:10 PM

Jul 2014

Seriously though, the last two Democratic Presidents have been massive disappointments. Yes, they were better than the alternative--or were they?

Clinton deregulated the banks, pushed and signed NAFTA, etc; Obama had a plate full of crap, no question, but all the way along he has bought into and utilized Republican framing, even going so far as to offer up Social Security as part of a Grand Bargain...."only Nixon could go to China". Without the cover of the Democratic label, those policies might have been seen for the WMD that they are.

My opinion, obviously, but I have to wonder where we would be if an Elizabeth Warren had been on the scene before now.

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This is a big part of "why not Hillary?", at least for me... [View all] truebluegreen Jul 2014 OP

I too am sick of the "we need to lead the word" crap. arcane1 Jul 2014 #1

I agree. truebluegreen Jul 2014 #2

The real problem is not that we should lead... Wounded Bear Jul 2014 #7

+1 truebluegreen Jul 2014 #30

No question, and it's Hillary's style of leadership that's got us in all these wars and other conflicts that kill and maim innocent people. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #33

I thought that interview would go down badly with anti-Iraq war democrats. betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author moondust Jul 2014 #4

Believe it or not but "America Kind of Sucks Sometimes" doesn't win over the average voter. Metric System Jul 2014 #5

So your idea is to pander to the average voter? truebluegreen Jul 2014 #6

It works quite well if your goal is to win an election. wyldwolf Jul 2014 #12

Winning is everything? truebluegreen Jul 2014 #15

in politics, yes wyldwolf Jul 2014 #16

So, what do we get? truebluegreen Jul 2014 #17

I don't understand your question. You have all this lofty policy ideals... wyldwolf Jul 2014 #19

Raging? Really? truebluegreen Jul 2014 #25

so you're going to key in on my use of the term "raging" and then rage? LOL wyldwolf Jul 2014 #34

I think your Rage-O-Meter calibration is off, you should have that checked. LOL truebluegreen Jul 2014 #35

Well I'm glad you admit winning is key wyldwolf Jul 2014 #37

Thanks for the insight. truebluegreen Jul 2014 #38

well, we get things like hfojvt Jul 2014 #22

Biden let Clarence Thomas off the hook, and onto the Court. truebluegreen Jul 2014 #27

Yeah. That's what should happen in a representative democracy. nt conservaphobe Jul 2014 #26

That would happen in a representative democracy. truebluegreen Jul 2014 #29

Absolutely right! KT2000 Jul 2014 #9

A talented politician could change the framing, truebluegreen Jul 2014 #13

anybody who said THAT hfojvt Jul 2014 #18

I don't know if you're aware... Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #8

I am aware. truebluegreen Jul 2014 #10

I give Superman a pass Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #24

In truth, I do too. truebluegreen Jul 2014 #31

Yeah Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #32

* L0oniX Jul 2014 #11

I welcome your hatred. truebluegreen Jul 2014 #14

"When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in an American flag.." Sinclair Lewis Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #20

Where in this does Hillary say that this is "America's current problem" -- pnwmom Jul 2014 #21

I wonder what stories we should be telling 4now Jul 2014 #23

An inspirational one for me too. truebluegreen Jul 2014 #28

We lead the world in supporting Israel, fucking our own people, and in lying about everything elehhhhna Jul 2014 #36

+ a zillion Thank you. truebluegreen Jul 2014 #39

There are some great stories to tell n2doc Jul 2014 #40

Those stories would indeed be an inspiration, and a battle cry. truebluegreen Jul 2014 #41