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RobertEarl

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57. Russia knows the policy

Fri Jul 18, 2014, 10:15 PM

Jul 2014

And it is a policy that is evolving. The McCain policy would be to invade or some stupid reaction. Obama told the world Russia is a regional power - a real slap in the face to Putin's ambitions for Russia.

This Ukraine situation will only become bigger if we stick our nose in it. We stay out because we realize this is an Eastern European problem that goes back to when the US wasn't even a US.

Leave it to McCain to set off on fire. Leave it to the warmongers to beat the drums of war. Obama is too cool for that.

Realize this: Russia has more fossil fuels than anybody. Russia plays a huge part in what oil sells for. Putin loved hm some bush because bush got the price of oil to double. Putin is a rich man because of what bush did for him. Putin misses bush and doesn't care for Obama. The Black reason is part of it, but that slap in the face Obama gave Putin? That there is policy: Putin is just a regional power. We will deal with him as the need arises.

I do think the Cohen guy is wrong in that he thinks this is such a global matter. But then this is his specialty, so he has just a bit of bias, no?

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Agree/disagree:Obama reminds us he has no policy toward Ukraine or Russia other than to blame Putin. [View all] Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 OP

That comment sounds cute, but is actualy silly. randys1 Jul 2014 #1

Cohen said it twice in the interview, but wasn't quick with alternatives Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #2

I'm interested in hearing some good alternatives Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #9

Co-sign. nt Jamaal510 Jul 2014 #20

The trouble is that any approach that only looks at Russia will not work because machiavelliisalive Jul 2014 #76

On this and other threads, your slip is showing. Squinch Jul 2014 #3

We're thread stalking now, are we? Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #5

You have to admit .. Trajan Jul 2014 #11

I do admit that, but I wanted to quote exactly Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #19

Three months on the board...seems more like an old-timer, so familiar alcibiades_mystery Jul 2014 #28

I am an old timer Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #34

Sure thing, bud alcibiades_mystery Jul 2014 #40

+1 Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #17

Ah, well, the thing is..... Roy Serohz Jul 2014 #4

No disagreement Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #6

I like how he puts all the pieces in place Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #8

It was maddening. Everything he said sounded logical, but no reasonable conclusions were reached Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #12

Oh, c'mon. The end is very wise RobertEarl Jul 2014 #43

I do thank God that Obama is not on a hair trigger to react. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #53

Russia knows the policy RobertEarl Jul 2014 #57

The problem I see is that every policymaker over -- say 55 -- wants to couch this in cold war terms. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #59

Sure, more war leads to more war RobertEarl Jul 2014 #63

I grew up in the cold war and I sense that you did as well. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #66

Yep RobertEarl Jul 2014 #68

What makes him dumb is that he leapt to an untenable conclusion muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #80

Book Smart But Not Street Smart, Sir.... The Magistrate Jul 2014 #90

He is regurgitating the RT spin. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #71

this takes me back CatWoman Jul 2014 #7

the blame Putin for all the world's problems crowd fasttense Jul 2014 #10

You're welcome Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #13

Ah ... poor pootie poot ... Trajan Jul 2014 #15

now there you go proving me right by example fasttense Jul 2014 #23

not really CatWoman Jul 2014 #24

Plenty of us recognize Putin for what he is without longing for war. NT Adrahil Jul 2014 #54

Are you kidding? I watched "Threads", not just "The Day After". moriah Jul 2014 #62

"Threads" BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #92

Some people have a policy to blame Obama for absolutely everything. pnwmom Jul 2014 #14

To twist Lincoln's words - you can't please all the people all the time Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #16

Sometimes the far left sounds like the far right. JaneyVee Jul 2014 #18

You've got that right. Drunken Irishman Jul 2014 #22

Here Here! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2014 #51

Some of the far left's love affair with Putin is disgusting. Drunken Irishman Jul 2014 #21

it wasn't Stalin we on the real left loved fasttense Jul 2014 #25

Keep propping up Putin. It makes you look like a Republican. Drunken Irishman Jul 2014 #26

Repubs are salivating over the mere thought fasttense Jul 2014 #100

well.... sheshe2 Jul 2014 #104

So, you're saying Prof. Cohen loves Putin? Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #31

The article drives home the point conservatives have been making... Drunken Irishman Jul 2014 #33

DI, understand, please, first that I posted this as a discussion point Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #49

I think so many are quick to attack Obama and give Putin a pass... Drunken Irishman Jul 2014 #78

Other than to materially support Britain and the USSR, FDR did little in Europe prior to 42 Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #87

That's my point, though... Drunken Irishman Jul 2014 #94

I think he admires Putin, and thinks he wouldn't make a mistake muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #81

As I said elsewhere - I'd just like to know what he would have Obama do. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #89

No, it's just the smear all critics of Obama routine. Vattel Jul 2014 #85

Is there some reason why you don't like the 'left'? We are used to it of course, but I'm always sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #61

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #72

I asked you before, do I know you? You sound very familiar, but that could be because you are sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #74

Disagree onecaliberal Jul 2014 #27

Fair enough Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #30

I get that.... onecaliberal Jul 2014 #36

He ran as a progressive but got alot of campaign cash from neocons betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #29

Obama has ran the least interventionist foreign policy, beyond maybe Carter, since before FDR. Drunken Irishman Jul 2014 #35

American foreign policy has long been a disaster since WW2 betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #39

No president has been good. Drunken Irishman Jul 2014 #55

Stephen Cohen is an imbecile. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #32

Explain and expand, please. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #37

I work under the assumption that any apologist for Putin is an imbecile. nt conservaphobe Jul 2014 #38

I don't think there is any basis for saying he is an apologist for Putin betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #42

Anyone who doesn't hold Putin and the separatists solely responsible for MH17... conservaphobe Jul 2014 #45

That's your opinion. betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #46

That's corroborated fact. nt conservaphobe Jul 2014 #47

The insurgency against the elected leader of Ukraine betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #48

LOL, okey dokey. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #52

Yep...she threw cookies at them until they fled!! lol EX500rider Jul 2014 #95

Disagree. Chan790 Jul 2014 #41

Possibly because the Ukraine was part of Russia betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #44

Uh, check your history book. Chan790 Jul 2014 #60

Cohen is right. BKH70041 Jul 2014 #50

OK. You agree with Cohen. Finish his argument. What should US policy be? Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #56

One doesn't have to state their own policy to observe that someone else has none. BKH70041 Jul 2014 #58

No - One does have to state their own policy to observe that someone else has none. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #64

What you're saying makes no sense. BKH70041 Jul 2014 #65

Difference in views on argumentation Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #67

Complaining about a problem without suggesting solutions is called "whining". phleshdef Jul 2014 #70

That's a more elegant way of stating what I was trying to say Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #75

Oh please. BKH70041 Jul 2014 #83

No, it is called recognizing a problem. I say the answer not just usually but almost always is TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #93

So, I e-mailed Cohen. He referred me to his article in "The Nation" Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #98

Disagree. Cohen is a Putin humper. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #69

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2014 #77

You Seem To Imagine, Sir, Free Speech Exists Only If No One Disagrees With What Someone Says The Magistrate Jul 2014 #79

No-one attacked Democracy Now muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #82

Nothing against Amy Goodman... Drunken Irishman Jul 2014 #96

It really does not matter SoCalDem Jul 2014 #84

Not disagreement, but some observations Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #88

Stephen Cohen is a bigoted, hateful writer. I no longer read The Nation because of shit he Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #86

Fair Enough Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #91

What is the correct policy? Is this a EU matter? A NATO matter? A UN matter? McCamy Taylor Jul 2014 #97

Peace talks would be ideal. From a US standpoint, "Stay Out of it" might be the best option. (nm) Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #99

I disagree. Obama is waiting for the right moment, for the moment when things are almost JDPriestly Jul 2014 #101

Any evaluation of the current administration policy has to start with remembering W.Bush Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #107

I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #102

Well said Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #106

It frustrates me to no end ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #108

Yet another pontificating academic with no skin MineralMan Jul 2014 #103

I feel much more that way since I read his article in "The Nation" Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #105