Who benefits from war between Russia and Ukraine?

[socialist_n_TN]

42. My GOD, man! Think!.......

What is "forever" anyway? NOTHING is "forever". Are you seriously suggesting that NATO would allow a Russian military presence in a Ukraine that they (NATO) controlled? There's no way that would happen.

You are trying to spin this into some sort of "personal vendetta" by Putin, when it is just history repeating itself. Or at least echoing itself. These are many of the same tensions that were present a century ago previous to WWI. If you think that WWI began because of the assassination of some obscure archduke by a Serbian anarchist, then you are sadly mistaken. It is about imperial rivalries over resources and access to markets. Ukraine is a similar situation with similar motivations by the imperialisms involved.

And if you consider historical materialism an "agenda", then yes, you can call this an agenda. I just call it Marxism. It's a way of seeing trends and predicting the most likely actions and outcomes of trading blocs on the world stage BEFORE they happen so that you can plan a response. Even before the Maidan protests kicked in, I wrote in my perspectives for the upcoming period (roughly a year to three) about increasing imperialist rivalries. I figured it would be China/Japan/USA that would kick it off instead of this particular one, but Ukraine fits the general outline just fine. A perspective is not about getting things exactly right. It's not prophesy, it's noting trends. So let me "predict" right now that Ukraine won't be the last of this kind of thing to happen. Ukraine types of conflicts will increase as resources dwindle and capitalism tries to continue to expand. The various blocs of trading empires supported by their governments will come into increasing conflict over resources and markets in the next couple of years. And the conflicts, both by proxy players and by the main players, will be increasingly sharp and increasingly often as the system of capitalism itself begins to really collapse under the weight of it's internal contradictions.