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74. No. The genesis of Zionism is rooted in

Sat Jul 19, 2014, 03:51 PM

Jul 2014

a Jewish Homeland in Israel. It's facile and patronizing to claim it was invented by British imperialists. It was abetted by them. Your history is shockingly... ahistorical. You seem not to know such basic facts. Zionism was conceived of by secular Jews. There is no real historical argument over that. You seem not to know such things as the fact that around 1900 , Jerusalem was majority Jewish. The seminal figure in early Zionism was Herzl and it was his book that jump started the movement. The Balfour Resolution came some 20 years later.

Your historical revisionism is extremely disturbing. Whether it was "just" or "wise" to establish Israel as the U.N. did can, I suppose, be argued, though it's rather pointless at this time. What shouldn't be done is what you're doing- presenting a distorted account of Zionism. And again, the U.N. proposed two states- the Arab states refused and launched a war.

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The Heart of the Problem With Israel: The Mass Expulsion of the Palestinian People [View all] madokie Jul 2014 OP

The 6 Day War determined , and doubled Israels territory . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2014 #1

Baloney. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #79

Didn't say that, Pay attention . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2014 #117

The Modern Beginning, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #2

Precisely malaise Jul 2014 #4

I was only a little girl in 1948 connecticut yankee Jul 2014 #38

I wasn't born yet malaise Jul 2014 #39

And as I said it Doubled after 1967 . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2014 #44

And you were wrong. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #80

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War orpupilofnature57 Jul 2014 #118

You've Nailed it !!!!!!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Jul 2014 #43

That pretty much hits the nail on the head. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #9

The Arab states invaded Israel almost immediately after UN Partition tritsofme Jul 2014 #3

That was in 1948 cpwm17 Jul 2014 #7

Apparently, that Israel "right to exist" brentspeak Jul 2014 #54

There was no going back to normal after the 1948 War tritsofme Jul 2014 #60

It also exposed the Israelis' proprensity to steal other people's homes and property brentspeak Jul 2014 #66

That's natural isn't it? treestar Jul 2014 #64

Jews had been living British Palestine for years. tritsofme Jul 2014 #65

Do you consider building settlements in the West Bank "living in peace"? LittleBlue Jul 2014 #72

In recent years tritsofme Jul 2014 #124

this is a simplified version of reality from an extremely partisan viewpoint cali Jul 2014 #5

I think the analysis is accurate, not one-sided. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #10

The OP fails to mention that the U.N. proposal was for two states. cali Jul 2014 #49

No. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #59

No. The genesis of Zionism is rooted in cali Jul 2014 #74

No, it was not. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #92

You appear not to understand the reason Bonobo Jul 2014 #94

This is a fair analysis Lithos Jul 2014 #104

You say you do not understand the rational for placing the Jewish nation in a land far away from the Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #6

It was Babylonians, in the 6th Century BCE, HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #13

except the Bible is a collection of ancient folktales, not a legal document librechik Jul 2014 #51

A bit more history. PDJane Jul 2014 #8

Excuse me but you seem to be wrong rickyhall Jul 2014 #26

That is the religious view. The truth is something else, as it often is. PDJane Jul 2014 #32

That's a very interesting article. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #40

Do not forget the roles of one Benjamin Disraeli and Charles Henry Churchill malaise Jul 2014 #30

that is insane crap. really insane. yikes. cali Jul 2014 #76

You. No one should credit a word you say on this issue. cali Jul 2014 #75

Really? Would you like to show me those deleted posts? I think there's one..... PDJane Jul 2014 #93

Christian Rapture Fans were all for it.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #11

Yes, and that weird interpretation of Revelation only started happening LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #15

I have hope because the Millennials are asking fundamental questions. Like, "Why?" Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #16

They seem to be a lot more savvy when it comes to spotting LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #24

Kinda like blind support of,...well,...ANYTHING. Including CAPITALISM. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #34

DUly RECommended Roy Serohz Jul 2014 #12

In answer to your question, The United Nations. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #14

Someone needs to tell them that persecution shouldn't be passed on. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #17

A nation born under siege and surrounded will always be on a defensive footing. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #18

Jewish people used to be all over the Middle East living side by side with Arabs in peace... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #19

You're free to believe that MohRokTah Jul 2014 #21

Newsflash: Arabs are a semitic people too.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #27

Anti-zionist is inherently anti-semitic. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #28

Wrong, Zionism is inherently Right Wing Authoritarian... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #31

. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #33

Keep up the canned FALSE CHOICE... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #36

Did you just pull the Holocaust card? U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #41

And which history card do you think is relevant? Maybe the one which shows the assassination attempt WinkyDink Jul 2014 #50

No it's not. Some Zionism is and some isn't. It's a term that encapsulates cali Jul 2014 #81

Typical. It's now time to accuse me of being "ignorant" and to tell me to go away.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #86

Again, ignorance about why Orthodox Jews Bonobo Jul 2014 #95

Anyone who claims they are the chosen ones loses the argument. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #96

Huh? Bonobo Jul 2014 #97

No matter WHAT I post at this point it's going to written off.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #98

That's why it is hilarious Bonobo Jul 2014 #100

What's funny is the claim that being against Israeli aggression means you MUST hate the Jews. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #105

Then don't make anti-semitic statements like: Bonobo Jul 2014 #107

Absolutely NOT. I DON'T see that when it comes to anyone beating the shit out of someone else.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #109

Repeat. Your insulting statement was about JUDAISM, not ISRAEL. Bonobo Jul 2014 #110

I never posted ANYTHING against the actual Jewish People.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #113

It might be with some people, but there are plenty of people Arugula Latte Jul 2014 #68

That is certainly true, but some posts in this thread are nothing but demonization cali Jul 2014 #82

Anti-semitism is term coined to make hatred of jews more palatable and more scientific sounding cali Jul 2014 #77

the term "Anti-semitism" is used as a club to cut off criticism of Israel. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #85

anti-semetic sabbat hunter Jul 2014 #103

Pssst.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #106

psst sabbat hunter Jul 2014 #108

Oh, you mean when I was accused of being anti-Semitic because I say Israel is run by Right Wingers? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #111

No, when you denigrate Jews for calling themselves "the Chosen People" Bonobo Jul 2014 #112

"Bashing them as whack jobs (like you did) for having this belief is indeed anti-semitic." Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #115

so sick of MFM008 Jul 2014 #90

I agree that "whiff" is the wrong term. LTX Jul 2014 #119

Link? WinkyDink Jul 2014 #48

There was no internet in 1948. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #63

So historical information began with the Internet? Sure, I could Google, but I didn't post WinkyDink Jul 2014 #114

No, you posted that post.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #116

So it should not have been created. Threedifferentones Jul 2014 #52

The UN has no legal or moral authority to create a nation for one people cpwm17 Jul 2014 #23

IT has world authority to do so. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #29

It's another form of collective punishment; Truman agreed because PDJane Jul 2014 #35

What is this "Jewish Problem" you speak of? fujiyama Jul 2014 #123

Read history. PDJane Jul 2014 #126

I was just wondering what your context was for using the word "problem". fujiyama Jul 2014 #128

I am simply referring to the history, nothing vile. PDJane Jul 2014 #129

do the common israelis control their own government? tiny elvis Jul 2014 #20

All the past history aside stupidicus Jul 2014 #22

Exactly. What if the UN decided to take your house and give it to someone else? LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #37

Nazi loot is still being returned to rightful owners. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #42

we share that pov stupidicus Jul 2014 #45

Oh, FGS. Do you know nothing of what happens after wars? Lands are re-arranged. Ask the Germans. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #47

YES...and BTW, do you think that any of these folk who PCIntern Jul 2014 #62

Yes, I know what happens after wars, LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #91

How is it that some Arabs were incorporated into Israel and some weren't? aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #25

I think you need to read some history. The FACTS are more complex, and less Arab-friendly, than WinkyDink Jul 2014 #46

Seems like the Israelis stole a lot of private/personal property brentspeak Jul 2014 #53

Never mind that the Jews were attacked in 1948. Calista241 Jul 2014 #55

It wasn't the Palestinian civilians who attacked the Jews in 1948 brentspeak Jul 2014 #56

+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Jul 2014 #57

What about the genocide and ethic cleansing of the Native American people? workinclasszero Jul 2014 #58

The difference is the Geneva convention and international law, PDJane Jul 2014 #61

No one in this thread is suggesting all Jews be cleansed from Israel LittleBlue Jul 2014 #67

Hamas, ahem, makes that suggestion. tritsofme Jul 2014 #69

I should have made it more obvious that I was referring to LittleBlue Jul 2014 #71

This is a great thread with comments by very intelligent people. dfgrbac Jul 2014 #70

I couldn't disagree more. This is a disturbing thread with a lot of cali Jul 2014 #83

It's easy to blame this on Zionism but that's not a solution to this conflict fujiyama Jul 2014 #73

Well said. For me the crux of the problem is the delusion that the snagglepuss Jul 2014 #78

For many of the founders of the modern state of Israel fujiyama Jul 2014 #122

Suggesting that Jews should have had to live in a European "homeland" cali Jul 2014 #84

I agree, a European Jewish state wouldn't have been tenable fujiyama Jul 2014 #125

For a long time I have been libodem Jul 2014 #87

I just wish Aerows Jul 2014 #99

I know libodem Jul 2014 #120

Britain, through the Balfour Declaration BainsBane Jul 2014 #88

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #89

Thank you for the thanks Uncle Joe madokie Jul 2014 #101

one big problem sabbat hunter Jul 2014 #102

...and American lives are not perceived as more important to Americans? PCIntern Jul 2014 #121

The western powers did, elleng Jul 2014 #127