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BainsBane

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118. Entirely non-responsive to my point

Sat Jul 19, 2014, 08:19 PM

Jul 2014

and bizarrely so.

The people's economic interests are never the same as those of capital, quite obviously. I never claimed they were. I would think it would have been more than obvious that I am highly critical of capitalism and the political system in this country that supports it. The difference is I don't pretend it just emerged during the past six years. I KNOW it was central to the very founding of the nation.

It was weird enough to read the person's comments, but then to have enough person agree.

Edit: Okay, I think I get it, by the country, you don't actually mean the people, you mean the upper-middle class who are pissed off about starting to be treated like the rest of us. I think I'm starting to figure what this particular political perspective is about.
All I can say is welcome to America. The rest of us have been living here since the beginning.

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Some Defend-President-Obama-no-matter-what-folks here will do anything to divert, [View all] cali Jul 2014 OP

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #1

No, not desperate at all. As I said, I'll support him where I can cali Jul 2014 #2

Just curious, but where DO you think you can support this president? Hekate Jul 2014 #4

I have supported him, Hekate. I support him on Russia. I don't think his options are cali Jul 2014 #8

Is my recitation of criticisms required? I don't sing hosannas in his name, but ... Hekate Jul 2014 #22

+1000 or so ... BlueMTexpat Jul 2014 #26

Add another +1000 or so from me as well Separation Jul 2014 #77

+ a whole bunch more. nolabear Jul 2014 #110

+1000 more, and an in-your-face to our resident chronic Obama trashers. Paladin Jul 2014 #149

Well said. Andy823 Jul 2014 #157

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #7

what racist memes have I EVER used? NONE, pal. cali Jul 2014 #11

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #20

+1....geez Enthusiast Jul 2014 #82

You Know, Ma'am, On Democratic Underground The Magistrate Jul 2014 #3

+1000! n/t ColesCountyDem Jul 2014 #5

Yes? Does that mean I shouldn't note what I did? cali Jul 2014 #6

It Means Your Quest Is a Bit Quixotic, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2014 #10

Actually, it's not quixotic. A good portion of DUers agree with me. cali Jul 2014 #13

AppealTo Numbers, Ma'am? You Might As Well Try Appeal To Authority The Magistrate Jul 2014 #18

Oh look! sibelian Jul 2014 #33

The OP doesn't H2O Man Jul 2014 #96

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Since the author H2O Man Jul 2014 #152

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for fun H2O Man Jul 2014 #154

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Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #29

I wouldn't mind being called a "sir" or "ma'am" but I do object to being called betsuni Jul 2014 #43

Shit. And just when I was going to address you as Cupcake. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #83

Very well said. Puglover Jul 2014 #47

I Am Not From Pennsylvania, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2014 #52

Maybe it means you shouldn't take "these folks" so personally Hekate Jul 2014 #12

lol. cali Jul 2014 #15

It was a non-hostile edit. Hekate Jul 2014 #16

that's how i feel , i see enough attacks on the President from all over the place JI7 Jul 2014 #9

my exact strategy nt steve2470 Jul 2014 #27

The president is of no consequence whatsoever beyond what he is able to achieve for the populace. sibelian Jul 2014 #34

of course it matters , it's why some are banned from this site JI7 Jul 2014 #42

Being banned from this site is also of no consequence. sibelian Jul 2014 #146

i'm referring to use of this site JI7 Jul 2014 #148

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #17

No modern American president was ever going to be perfect... Orsino Jul 2014 #31

+1 treestar Jul 2014 #61

The implication of saying "underground". dfgrbac Jul 2014 #67

the site was started because of the 2000 election being taken away from the establishment Dem Gore JI7 Jul 2014 #132

It's crazy how that works. Democrats supporting Democrats is not controversial. tridim Jul 2014 #79

I support Obama AgingAmerican Jul 2014 #136

Should Democrats embrace Republican values after election? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #103

It's a matter of HOW he is defended.....and criticized Armstead Jul 2014 #155

Is there a point? A specific issue? BainsBane Jul 2014 #14

Cold But Fair, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2014 #19

Good grief, Benito! Divernan Jul 2014 #38

Perhaps if you had ever bothered to read Mussolini BainsBane Jul 2014 #60

Right. H2O Man Jul 2014 #100

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2014 #138

"The function of the state is to serve capital" I think that statement needs modifying. KittyWampus Jul 2014 #45

The function of the state under capitalism is to serve capital BainsBane Jul 2014 #59

^^^ THIS ^^^ BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #46

I agree, and the continual fixation on the Presidency BainsBane Jul 2014 #62

Whenever one tries to explain how to live in a reality-based world BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #63

This. Skidmore Jul 2014 #116

It's not a "fantasy world"....You are preaching total submission and surrender Armstead Jul 2014 #158

Sorry but no one is doing anything of the sort BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #160

I am well aware of that -- Its your dismissive attitude about it..... Armstead Jul 2014 #161

To address your assertions BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #166

Thank you for your thoughtful resonse Armstead Jul 2014 #167

Lemme see what I can do with this BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #169

I agree with much of what you wrote. Perhaps the difference is in tempement. Armstead Jul 2014 #170

I do agree with much of what you wrote BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #171

Your posts in this thread have almost made the darn thing worth reading Number23 Jul 2014 #124

Agree 100% betsuni Jul 2014 #129

Thanks BainsBane Jul 2014 #131

I agree, it is simplistic thinking treestar Jul 2014 #106

I agree, but it is sad. PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #48

I see BainsBane Jul 2014 #64

Your center paragraph is literally the heart of the matter Hekate Jul 2014 #65

I'm sure you are right BainsBane Jul 2014 #70

I myself am an "authoritarian," or so I've been told. My friends would be so surprised. Hekate Jul 2014 #71

You said it treestar Jul 2014 #107

Yes indeed. The obstructive, do-nothing Congress we have is a fine example of Skidmore Jul 2014 #150

Inexperienced negotiating with Republicans? Enthusiast Jul 2014 #85

The Bush Tax cuts ARE gone. BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #93

I agree BainsBane Jul 2014 #104

Well said! Spazito Jul 2014 #97

Exactly. nt DanTex Jul 2014 #105

I reject the point outright that the purpose of our government is to serve capital BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #72

Your not, Phlem Jul 2014 #80

Blue Linky Phlem Jul 2014 #81

I had to look at my screen to see where I was? BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #115

I hear that! Phlem Jul 2014 #119

FFS BainsBane Jul 2014 #123

No, what's happening is you don't understand what you are reading BainsBane Jul 2014 #122

FFS, Oh I don't understand what I'm reading. Phlem Jul 2014 #127

Obvioulsy not BainsBane Jul 2014 #142

I don't know why I've waited so long. Phlem Jul 2014 #145

I agree, BrotherIvan. LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #87

It has always been meant to check capital vs the rights of the people BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #112

Plus one a thousand times. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #88

That's an elegant way of putting it, Enthusiast. LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #94

Correct BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #111

I'm with you, BrotherIvan. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #140

My point is that is the function of the state under capitalism BainsBane Jul 2014 #125

Capitalism and individual rights go hand in hand BainsBane Jul 2014 #128

If one considers individual Liberty vs. Monarchy, Maedhros Jul 2014 #134

Liberalism BainsBane Jul 2014 #144

While I appreciate your trying to give ample evidence for your argument BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #137

I have no problem with criticizing this or any other administration BainsBane Jul 2014 #143

It is a matter of degrees. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #84

Your entire premise is false, and the fact that you present it as accepted truth points to Maedhros Jul 2014 #108

You buy into the national mythology BainsBane Jul 2014 #113

I agree that the problems we face are intrinsic to Capitalism. Maedhros Jul 2014 #133

Oh, baby! "I'm a Progressive - I believe that we must change for the better." Enthusiast Jul 2014 #141

This makes for very interesting reading. Thanks for giving me different words to think about it. Hekate Jul 2014 #139

Did you ever hear of balance? Armstead Jul 2014 #156

Then there is the incredible disconnect between rhetoric of members here BainsBane Jul 2014 #21

This thread has turned into an interesting discussion, but I'll have to return tomorrow... Hekate Jul 2014 #25

The 1 Percent's economic interests do NOT equal the nation's economic interests. Divernan Jul 2014 #35

There is nothing more ironic that when someone responds to what is clearly BainsBane Jul 2014 #58

PLUS ONE! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #90

Entirely non-responsive to my point BainsBane Jul 2014 #118

You noticed that too also. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #89

That they proceed to look down on those less privileged BainsBane Jul 2014 #101

I completely agree. He has posted one corporate shill after another to head critical NC_Nurse Jul 2014 #23

I fully expect those same people to support our next Republican president obxhead Jul 2014 #24

Apparently, they do, they just haven't changed affiliation BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #73

In my humble opinion, there are two distinct types that behave as you've described .... Scuba Jul 2014 #28

+1. nt OnyxCollie Jul 2014 #30

+2 L0oniX Jul 2014 #74

+3 leftstreet Jul 2014 #76

+1! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #91

Agree...it's my experience, also...of both.. KoKo Jul 2014 #117

you da man. Phlem Jul 2014 #120

The thing is if you want to see criticism BlueMTexpat Jul 2014 #32

Newsflash!DU is about primaries, Congress and State Houses as well Divernan Jul 2014 #37

All too true. BlueMTexpat Jul 2014 #39

I will echo this post Cosmocat Jul 2014 #55

Links please. Kingofalldems Jul 2014 #36

2.5 more years of non-specific whining predicted. JoePhilly Jul 2014 #40

some think posting on this site makes them an activist JI7 Jul 2014 #41

We ARE activists-witness NBC caving & returning Mohyeldin to Gaza! Divernan Jul 2014 #49

Guilty and prooud of it! mfcorey1 Jul 2014 #44

Its pervasive now. It is a hallmark of systems that turn authoritarian. woo me with science Jul 2014 #50

+1 L0oniX Jul 2014 #75

PLUS ONE! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #92

This board is plenty open for all POV's on Obama or any issue BeyondGeography Jul 2014 #51

you may be right when you criticize him bigtree Jul 2014 #53

The President works for us - not 840high Jul 2014 #54

Not for nothing, but this is not someone who lacks in people criticizing him Cosmocat Jul 2014 #56

Living in one of the most conservative districts in the country, conservaphobe Jul 2014 #57

There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it. Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #66

You've become a caricature. joshcryer Jul 2014 #68

Yes it has gotten worse. Andy823 Jul 2014 #164

Please see my reply to The Magistrate (reply #67) dfgrbac Jul 2014 #69

I like Obama except for one thing: he's trying to change the Wilberforce Law in order to Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #78

It's a f****ng love affair, that's all it is. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #86

I think we do have two small groups; one worships the man and the other group despises him. Rex Jul 2014 #95

And some will criticize him no matter what. I'm not talking about you, cali, pnwmom Jul 2014 #98

you should be krawhitham Jul 2014 #121

Some are so plastic H2O Man Jul 2014 #99

So what if they do? cheapdate Jul 2014 #102

And some ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #109

Very true. n/t countingbluecars Jul 2014 #114

And you do. aquart Jul 2014 #126

You can critisize President Obama all you want, but you are wasting your valuable time..... DrewFlorida Jul 2014 #130

I agree. Both left and right focus their blame and effort in the wrong place. CJCRANE Jul 2014 #135

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #147

Stop looking at individuals and understand the community as a whole. NCTraveler Jul 2014 #159

I can't speak for cali but.... Armstead Jul 2014 #162

"there is a reflexive resistance to ANY criticisms or suggestions for change" NCTraveler Jul 2014 #168

What about the "bash Obama no matter what" folks? Andy823 Jul 2014 #165