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In reply to the discussion: Some on the 'left' are beating the War drums [View all]RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)88. How about Stephen Cohen, then?
Stephen Cohen is professor emeritus of Russian studies and politics, New York University and Princeton University.
STEPHEN COHEN: The horror of it all, to quote Conrad, watching your reports on Gaza, knowing what I know but whats not being reported in the mainstream media about whats been going on in eastern Ukraine citiesthese cities have been pounded by Kievand now this. "Emeritus," as you call me, means old. Ive seen this before. One function of cold war is innocent victims. The people who died, nearly 300, from many countries, are the first victims, nonresidential victims, of the new Cold War. This crash, this shootdown, will make everything worse, no matter who did it.
There are several theoretical possibilities. I am not a conspiracy buff, but we know in the history of the Cold War, there are provocations, people who want to make things worse. So, in Moscow, and not only in Moscow, there are theories that somebody wanted this to happen. I just cant believe anybody would do it, but you cant rule anything out.
The other possibility is, because the Ukrainian government itself has a capability to shoot down planes. By the way, the Ukrainian government shot down a Russian passenger jet, I think in 2001. It was flying from Tel Aviv to Siberia. It was an accident. Competence is always a factor when you have these weapons.
Another possibility is that the rebelswe call them separatists, but they werent separatists in the beginning, they just wanted home rule in Ukrainethat they had the capability. But theres a debate, because this plane was flying at commercial levels, normally beyond the reach of what they can carry on their shoulders.
Theres the possibility that the Russians aided and abetted them, possibly from Russian territory, but I rule that out because, in the end, when you dont know who has committed a crime, the first question a professional investigator asks is, "Did anybody have a motive?" and the Russians certainly had no motive here. This is horrible for Putin and for the Russian position.
Thats what we know so far. Maybe well know more. We may never know who did this.
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Yes, it is and if we go to war you can bet the cheerleading will be as loud as it was on the right
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#22
Back In March, Sir, I Got Burned Thinking The Trophy For The Year Had Been Settled....
The Magistrate
Jul 2014
#31
They Do, Sir, And The Phrase 'Beating The War Drums' Means Trying To Rouse Enthusiasm For War
The Magistrate
Jul 2014
#63
With Your Belly Up Like That, Sir, It Would Be Unseemly To Continue The Thing....
The Magistrate
Jul 2014
#67
Not Really, Sir: There Is Some Accuracy In What Our Hibernian Friend States
The Magistrate
Jul 2014
#16
Again, Sir, You Are Prentending Not To Know What We Both Know You Do Know
The Magistrate
Jul 2014
#23
Malaysia Airlines Flight 17: The Problem Isn’t Conflict, It’s Violent Conflict Management
machiavelliisalive
Jul 2014
#37
If Congress had concentrated on going after Bush, the ACA would never have been passed.
pnwmom
Jul 2014
#57