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RobertEarl

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88. How about Stephen Cohen, then?
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 11:01 PM
Jul 2014

Stephen Cohen is professor emeritus of Russian studies and politics, New York University and Princeton University.


STEPHEN COHEN: The horror of it all, to quote Conrad, watching your reports on Gaza, knowing what I know but what’s not being reported in the mainstream media about what’s been going on in eastern Ukraine cities—these cities have been pounded by Kiev—and now this. "Emeritus," as you call me, means old. I’ve seen this before. One function of cold war is innocent victims. The people who died, nearly 300, from many countries, are the first victims, nonresidential victims, of the new Cold War. This crash, this shootdown, will make everything worse, no matter who did it.

There are several theoretical possibilities. I am not a conspiracy buff, but we know in the history of the Cold War, there are provocations, people who want to make things worse. So, in Moscow, and not only in Moscow, there are theories that somebody wanted this to happen. I just can’t believe anybody would do it, but you can’t rule anything out.

The other possibility is, because the Ukrainian government itself has a capability to shoot down planes. By the way, the Ukrainian government shot down a Russian passenger jet, I think in 2001. It was flying from Tel Aviv to Siberia. It was an accident. Competence is always a factor when you have these weapons.

Another possibility is that the rebels—we call them separatists, but they weren’t separatists in the beginning, they just wanted home rule in Ukraine—that they had the capability. But there’s a debate, because this plane was flying at commercial levels, normally beyond the reach of what they can carry on their shoulders.

There’s the possibility that the Russians aided and abetted them, possibly from Russian territory, but I rule that out because, in the end, when you don’t know who has committed a crime, the first question a professional investigator asks is, "Did anybody have a motive?" and the Russians certainly had no motive here. This is horrible for Putin and for the Russian position.

That’s what we know so far. Maybe we’ll know more. We may never know who did this.

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This Is Probably The Most Nonesensical Post Of the Summer, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #1
But it's true. MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #4
Yes, it is and if we go to war you can bet the cheerleading will be as loud as it was on the right sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #22
I read the drumming for war RobertEarl Jul 2014 #6
Oh, I know it's true, too. MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #10
We need make them see RobertEarl Jul 2014 #13
You're completely right here. Union Scribe Jul 2014 #83
Yep RobertEarl Jul 2014 #91
Of the summer? zappaman Jul 2014 #29
Back In March, Sir, I Got Burned Thinking The Trophy For The Year Had Been Settled.... The Magistrate Jul 2014 #31
Listen to this drum RobertEarl Jul 2014 #35
That Is Not a Call For War, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #38
Drum beating RobertEarl Jul 2014 #42
That's Not Drum Beating, Sir --- THIS Is Drum Beating.... The Magistrate Jul 2014 #43
And another drum RobertEarl Jul 2014 #45
Accusing Russia and Puitin of a war crime RobertEarl Jul 2014 #48
No other links right now RobertEarl Jul 2014 #51
You Seem To Have a Problem With People Stating Facts, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #53
Words have meanings, Sir RobertEarl Jul 2014 #61
They Do, Sir, And The Phrase 'Beating The War Drums' Means Trying To Rouse Enthusiasm For War The Magistrate Jul 2014 #63
Spreading it out are you? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #65
With Your Belly Up Like That, Sir, It Would Be Unseemly To Continue The Thing.... The Magistrate Jul 2014 #67
At least four possibilities of what caused this RobertEarl Jul 2014 #68
"One Should Keep An Open Mind, But Not So Open One's Brains Fall Out' The Magistrate Jul 2014 #69
How about Ray Mcgovern? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #70
He Has To Make A Living, Sir: I Do Not Take Him Very Seriously The Magistrate Jul 2014 #72
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #82
what is that opinion based on? Enrique Jul 2014 #94
Yes. He conflicts with the Magistrate. RobertEarl Jul 2014 #97
How about Stephen Cohen, then? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #88
That Comment Is Pretty Much Hash, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #89
No, not really RobertEarl Jul 2014 #90
I will leave you and readers with these items to look at RobertEarl Jul 2014 #93
Huh? People are defending Bush here? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #2
Now that DU is an evidence-free zone... MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #3
Thanks for the opportunity to reply to your post there, Manny Hekate Jul 2014 #7
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Hey baby, when I slink by, you'll know it by the sway of my hips Hekate Jul 2014 #11
Hubba-hubba MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #18
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Or... they got nothin' MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #20
Again, Sir, You Are Prentending Not To Know What We Both Know You Do Know The Magistrate Jul 2014 #23
Like we pretended to not know Saddam had WMD? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #24
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IKR!? Rex Jul 2014 #21
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Welcome to DU RobertEarl Jul 2014 #44
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HAHAHAHA! He recced his own thread!!!! Coventina Jul 2014 #76
I don't usually do that type rec RobertEarl Jul 2014 #92
As I made clear in my post, it wasn't me who noticed. Coventina Jul 2014 #95
Cool RobertEarl Jul 2014 #98
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Or, alternatively,it could have backfired on us just as it did when the Rethugs impeached Clinton. pnwmom Jul 2014 #75
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