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70. We know we were hoodwinked. It has a slick speech, a pleasant smile,

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Sun Jul 20, 2014, 04:12 AM

Jul 2014

and a bi-partisan dagger right in the back.

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Now I am confused about DU (a different answer to cali's OP) [View all] sadoldgirl Jul 2014 OP

With Citizens United - It Is Clear - Both Parties Are Owned By The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks cantbeserious Jul 2014 #1

But don't fall into the false equivalency trap. ananda Jul 2014 #3

Not different enough so that we should not criticize the Dems and pull them back to the left. cui bono Jul 2014 #5

Who said that? creeksneakers2 Jul 2014 #55

Said what? cui bono Jul 2014 #69

Post # 5 creeksneakers2 Jul 2014 #71

Again, said what? Called criticizers names? I'm sure you've seen plenty of that. cui bono Jul 2014 #72

I am a progressive and as you see from my signature banner, a strong supporter of Elizabeth JDPriestly Jul 2014 #74

Great advice, JD. I hope people will take it to heart. LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #77

The Third Way is it's own party, stealing the label of Democratic. L0oniX Jul 2014 #96

What a refreshingly sensible post, JEB Jul 2014 #102

+1! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #80

With Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Owning And Controlling The Parties cantbeserious Jul 2014 #6

The question seems to be feathers or lead? Savannahmann Jul 2014 #36

Would it not be better for everyone in the Democratic Party sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #49

+1! "Who of those two built a stable and healthy middle class?" Enthusiast Jul 2014 #81

+ 1 - Matters Not Feathers Or Lead - Dead Is Dead - Bravo cantbeserious Jul 2014 #51

This bit right here... DeadLetterOffice Jul 2014 #53

A ton of feathers would not hold together; it would not crush you muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #75

But there is the rub. Savannahmann Jul 2014 #85

If you're willing to use the ACA figures from Avik Roy, Romney's healthcare advisor muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #90

Here's a report from CNBC Savannahmann Jul 2014 #100

The difference between "some small, some 16.6% increases" and "will double" is huge muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #104

Thank you. It seems the vogue here at DU to jump on the bandwagon condemning Obama. olegramps Jul 2014 #91

I htink it's more that many here know that the Dem party is center and that there is a real left cui bono Jul 2014 #114

Dems get the agenda through arikara Jul 2014 #110

What does "Citizens United" have to do with Democrats owned by "Oligarchs", Corps and Banks????? George II Jul 2014 #43

One Source For Unlimited Campaign Financing - Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks cantbeserious Jul 2014 #50

Gotta admit a big difference: FDR & JFK didn't need a Billion+ dollars to campaign for President. Amonester Jul 2014 #63

It seems like Dem blogs Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #2

There is a circle here. sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #34

Lot To Learn From 1930s Primaries billhicks76 Jul 2014 #112

+1 rec ^^^this^^^ L0oniX Jul 2014 #97

PBO has a long history of being elected by the left and then kissing the RW's A$$. When you Vincardog Jul 2014 #4

Could there be a way sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #7

The "teaparty" is a manufactured group. What we can do is Work for and elect REAL Progressives Vincardog Jul 2014 #10

Yes, I agree, but unfortunately sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #13

Primary him Vincardog Jul 2014 #14

A Udall in the West? no chance sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #17

How else can you pressure him to move to the LEFT? Vincardog Jul 2014 #18

He is already only one point away from a teaparty opponent in the polls. sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #21

That is probably because he is not far enough to the left. The voters can't tell he is any different Vincardog Jul 2014 #22

I suppose with our gun- and religious fanatics he may be the best to hope for. Sad. sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #27

So will you not vote for him then? kaiden Jul 2014 #78

Oh yes, I will though grudgingly. sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #99

Do you have a realistic alternative??? George II Jul 2014 #45

There are a lot of things they could do, but they require work and time. Such as... stevenleser Jul 2014 #66

I've been an officer of my local Democratic committee for more than ten years George II Jul 2014 #84

And? What have you done with that position? nt stevenleser Jul 2014 #108

What an officer of a Democratic committee does. George II Jul 2014 #109

Are you on trial here? cui bono Jul 2014 #113

Sometimes I think so... George II Jul 2014 #118

Paragraph or sentence breaks are your friend. former9thward Jul 2014 #8

Yep, because of the wall of text it was a tldr for me. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #9

Thank you very much, but English is not my first language.n/t sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #11

Totally understand. former9thward Jul 2014 #12

Thanks again, but it is hard now to change. And, yes, you are right! sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #15

Your English is fine. Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #26

some of it is DU software hfojvt Jul 2014 #87

They defer to structure when they got nothing else. L0oniX Jul 2014 #93

When someone is criticizing your text blocks ..... marmar Jul 2014 #94

It's a little bit tough mindwalker_i Jul 2014 #38

Yes Roy Serohz Jul 2014 #16

Come visit us - TBF Jul 2014 #19

Thank you, that is a beautiful invitation, sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #20

I am in favor of anything that will help TBF Jul 2014 #23

Excellent post, thanks sadoldgirl. Scuba Jul 2014 #24

Thank you very much Scuba, sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #25

K&R. zeemike Jul 2014 #28

I regret that I can only rec this once. Curmudgeoness Jul 2014 #29

Thank you, but while I don't want to cause a problem sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #30

Causing problems is exactly what we need to do. F4lconF16 Jul 2014 #60

If you leave PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #31

No apology needed sadoldgirl. Rant away... Tommymac Jul 2014 #32

Good post, thank you. Many are wondering what has happened to DU so you're not alone. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #33

K/R x 100 840high Jul 2014 #35

I always felt like this place should stand for democratic ideals mindwalker_i Jul 2014 #37

PLUS ONE! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #82

+100,000,000 L0oniX Jul 2014 #92

Your thread is much appreciated locks Jul 2014 #39

Welcome to the FDR branch of DU Demeter Jul 2014 #40

The promises made during the 2008 Platform of PBO are not what we see today. DhhD Jul 2014 #41

The "Democratic Underground" often seems to be at odds with the party that bears the name. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #42

There is also another side to this equation humbled_opinion Jul 2014 #44

One of the things President Obama has tried his hardest to get accomplished is the TPP Enthusiast Jul 2014 #83

+1 NealK Jul 2014 #116

I agree with your frustration. I think he had to do deals with the Devil, so to speak, to become Dustlawyer Jul 2014 #46

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #47

Every Democrat felt like part of the underground during the Bush administration. pnwmom Jul 2014 #48

True.... Bobbie Jo Jul 2014 #52

Pardon me, but it was awfully easy for Democrats to criticize Bush, sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #54

I was responding to when you said this: pnwmom Jul 2014 #56

This: riqster Jul 2014 #64

Who says you can't criticize Obama? creeksneakers2 Jul 2014 #57

Thank you for a (to me) heartening post. Divernan Jul 2014 #58

Just ignore the small group of snarkers, that is their only purpose on DU. Rex Jul 2014 #59

I thank each and everyone for your input. sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #61

This place can get rather obsessed with itself at times. LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #62

The jury system has made DU a MUCH less desirable to hang out. stillwaiting Jul 2014 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2014 #65

Why would you 'hope to get canned'? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #73

If you think it's bad here ...try Discussionist. You can't even speak the truth there. L0oniX Jul 2014 #98

Yes open and honest criticism is the right way to get us where we need to go. airplaneman Jul 2014 #67

Thank you for questioning. snot Jul 2014 #68

We know we were hoodwinked. It has a slick speech, a pleasant smile, blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #70

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #79

I am also dismayed by the name calling and how easy it seems for people to post garbled non-logic. WCLinolVir Jul 2014 #86

A Democrat (big D) is the old guy sitting on a park bench and feeding pigeons. valerief Jul 2014 #88

Good analogy. It totally fits. LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #101

Excellent post, sadoldgirl! Kermitt Gribble Jul 2014 #89

Your rant is very welcomed. L0oniX Jul 2014 #95

k&r polichick Jul 2014 #103

I really think there's no question that you can voice whatever viewpoint you have, we all can...and DesertDiamond Jul 2014 #105

underground, another word co-opted by entitled, courageless, gen-x hipsters whereisjustice Jul 2014 #106

thanks for the good rant lunatica Jul 2014 #107

Many of the critics come from third way, corporate think tanks. Ignore them, they will fail. grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #111

Note the current most active thread praising the administration. woo me with science Jul 2014 #115

K&R NealK Jul 2014 #117