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In reply to the discussion: Agree/disagree:Obama reminds us he has no policy toward Ukraine or Russia other than to blame Putin. [View all]Algernon Moncrieff
(5,961 posts)98. So, I e-mailed Cohen. He referred me to his article in "The Nation"
edited to add:
http://www.thenation.com/article/180466/silence-american-hawks-about-kievs-atrocities
The Silence of American Hawks About Kievs Atrocities
In fact, from the onset of the crisis, the administrations actual goal has been unclear, and not only to Moscow. Is it a negotiated compromise, which would have to include a Ukraine with a significantly federalized or decentralized state free to maintain longstanding economic relations with Russia and banned from NATO membership? Is it to bring the entire country exclusively into the West, including into NATO? Is it a long-simmering vendetta against Putin for all the things he purportedly has and has not done over the years? (Some behavior of Obama and Kerry, seemingly intended to demean and humiliate Putin, suggest an element of this.) Or is it to provoke Russia into a war with the United States and NATO in Ukraine?
Inadvertent or not, the latter outcome remains all too possible. After Russia annexedor reunified withCrimea in March, Putin, not Kiev or Washington, has demonstrated remarkable restraint. But events are making it increasingly difficult for him to do so. Almost daily, Russian state media, particularly television, have featured vivid accounts of Kievs military assaults on Ukraines eastern cities. The result has been, both in elite and public opinion, widespread indignation and mounting perplexity, even anger, over Putins failure to intervene militarily.
We may discount the following indictment by an influential ideologist of Russias own ultra-nationalists, who have close ties with Ukraines self-defense commanders: Putin betrays not just the Peoples Republic of Donetsk and the Peoples Republic of Lugansk but himself, Russia and all of us. Do not, however, underestimate the significance of an article in the mainstream pro-Kremlin newspaper Izvestia, which asked, while charging the leadership with ignoring the cries for help, Is Russia abandoning the Donbass? If so, the author warned, the result will be Russias worst nightmare and relegate it to the position of a vanquished country.
Just as significant were similar exhortations by Gennady Zyuganov, leader of Russias Communist Party, the second-largest in the country and in parliament. The party also has substantial influence in the military-security elite and even in the Kremlin. Thus, one of Putins own aides publicly urged him to send fighter planes to impose a no-fly zonean American-led UN action in Qaddafis Libya that has not been forgotten or forgiven by the Kremlinand destroy Kievs approaching aircraft and land forces. If that happens, US and NATO forces, now being built up in Eastern Europe, might well also intervene, creating a Cuban missile crisislike confrontation. As a former Russian foreign minister admired in the West reminds us, there are hawks on both sides.
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Agree/disagree:Obama reminds us he has no policy toward Ukraine or Russia other than to blame Putin. [View all]
Algernon Moncrieff
Jul 2014
OP
Cohen said it twice in the interview, but wasn't quick with alternatives
Algernon Moncrieff
Jul 2014
#2
The trouble is that any approach that only looks at Russia will not work because
machiavelliisalive
Jul 2014
#76
Three months on the board...seems more like an old-timer, so familiar
alcibiades_mystery
Jul 2014
#28
It was maddening. Everything he said sounded logical, but no reasonable conclusions were reached
Algernon Moncrieff
Jul 2014
#12
The problem I see is that every policymaker over -- say 55 -- wants to couch this in cold war terms.
Algernon Moncrieff
Jul 2014
#59
To twist Lincoln's words - you can't please all the people all the time
Algernon Moncrieff
Jul 2014
#16
DI, understand, please, first that I posted this as a discussion point
Algernon Moncrieff
Jul 2014
#49
Other than to materially support Britain and the USSR, FDR did little in Europe prior to 42
Algernon Moncrieff
Jul 2014
#87
As I said elsewhere - I'd just like to know what he would have Obama do.
Algernon Moncrieff
Jul 2014
#89
Is there some reason why you don't like the 'left'? We are used to it of course, but I'm always
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#61
I asked you before, do I know you? You sound very familiar, but that could be because you are
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#74
Obama has ran the least interventionist foreign policy, beyond maybe Carter, since before FDR.
Drunken Irishman
Jul 2014
#35
I work under the assumption that any apologist for Putin is an imbecile. nt
conservaphobe
Jul 2014
#38
I don't think there is any basis for saying he is an apologist for Putin
betterdemsonly
Jul 2014
#42
Anyone who doesn't hold Putin and the separatists solely responsible for MH17...
conservaphobe
Jul 2014
#45
OK. You agree with Cohen. Finish his argument. What should US policy be?
Algernon Moncrieff
Jul 2014
#56
One doesn't have to state their own policy to observe that someone else has none.
BKH70041
Jul 2014
#58
No - One does have to state their own policy to observe that someone else has none.
Algernon Moncrieff
Jul 2014
#64
Complaining about a problem without suggesting solutions is called "whining".
phleshdef
Jul 2014
#70
No, it is called recognizing a problem. I say the answer not just usually but almost always is
TheKentuckian
Jul 2014
#93
You Seem To Imagine, Sir, Free Speech Exists Only If No One Disagrees With What Someone Says
The Magistrate
Jul 2014
#79
Stephen Cohen is a bigoted, hateful writer. I no longer read The Nation because of shit he
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2014
#86
What is the correct policy? Is this a EU matter? A NATO matter? A UN matter?
McCamy Taylor
Jul 2014
#97
Peace talks would be ideal. From a US standpoint, "Stay Out of it" might be the best option. (nm)
Algernon Moncrieff
Jul 2014
#99
I disagree. Obama is waiting for the right moment, for the moment when things are almost
JDPriestly
Jul 2014
#101
Any evaluation of the current administration policy has to start with remembering W.Bush
Algernon Moncrieff
Jul 2014
#107