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merrily

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201. But that's different.

Sun Jul 20, 2014, 01:34 PM

Jul 2014

You said that you would not listen to criticizing the President until that person had won as many elections as Palin. Now, you are saying that you would be interested in Palin's advice if you wanted to be elected Mayor of Wasilla. Those two statements are very different.

You can be a very good movie critic without ever having produced a movie and a very good art critic without being able to draw. I am not saying the particular criticism in the OP is either valid or invalid. I am saying that criticizing governing and winning elections are very two different skills. They may overlap. For example, Pres. Clinton was very good at winning elections and also very good when he on criticized President Bush's governing. However, people who have never run for office and never won an election can also be very good at critiquing an administration.

Whether the author of the OP article is a good critic is a separate issue, an issue that I am not attempting to debate with you. I am just saying I don't agree with you criteria for being a good critic of a politican; and your own example, Palin, was a perfect example of why I don't agree. Her ability to win elections--both Mayor and Governor--is an issue that is separate and apart from her (in)ability to critique the Obama administration intelligently. One really has nothing to do with the other.

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Right-wing obstruction could have been fought: An ineffective and gutless presidency�s legacy [View all] XemaSab Jul 2014 OP

It's true he did quote FDR to the bankers about the pitchforks. His job was different from FDR's. craigmatic Jul 2014 #1

Obama did come in after the system had failed completely. zeemike Jul 2014 #12

+1 Octafish Jul 2014 #23

That's what I'm talking about. zeemike Jul 2014 #65

Civilian Conservation Corps did a world of good. Octafish Jul 2014 #187

And the irony is that if we would have spent that on new energy zeemike Jul 2014 #260

Yep. DeSwiss Jul 2014 #300

I never knew secondvariety Jul 2014 #107

The special inspector general for TARP said it and a whole lot more worth hearing. Octafish Jul 2014 #189

Not only did he say it, but actions speak louder than words. merrily Jul 2014 #204

Geithner said THAT?! Out Loud???!!! 2banon Jul 2014 #146

Don't feel bad. The hits just keep-a comin'! Octafish Jul 2014 #191

thanks Octofish.. you're so right, it just keeps a comin'.. sheesh. 2banon Jul 2014 #222

Re-posting that video. Thanks. L0oniX Jul 2014 #254

He sure did. Apparently, it was okay in 1930 to call a Depression what it was. merrily Jul 2014 #91

He actually said that? zeemike Jul 2014 #101

Paulson? Yes, he did. I watched him on three talking heads shows that Sunday. merrily Jul 2014 #112

PLUS ONE! Thank you, zeemike. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #94

Excellent post. woo me with science Jul 2014 #163

+1 leftstreet Jul 2014 #181

+1000! DeSwiss Jul 2014 #299

This is a reasonable argument of what happened BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #18

Bring charges against a President for signing a bill? Good luck with that. merrily Jul 2014 #88

Clinton set the environment and the results happened years later. craigmatic Jul 2014 #285

I challenged your claims about criminal charges against Clinton, though. merrily Jul 2014 #341

FDR adopted many of Hoover's policies. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #154

Which policies were those? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #230

Partial list. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #249

Thanks, very interesting MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #258

Excellent analysis by Frank- as usual. Thanks for posting it. cali Jul 2014 #2

K&R Except that "ineffective" and "gutless" are the wrong characterization of this presidency. woo me with science Jul 2014 #3

and "full of it" elehhhhna Jul 2014 #30

+100000000000 woo me with science Jul 2014 #108

Bingo. Calling someone ineffective requires an assumption about what that person merrily Jul 2014 #175

That's why I couldn't rec this. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #184

IMO, the choices were evident before Obama took office. merrily Jul 2014 #213

He's been very, very effective in making sure that Corporate America recovered Maedhros Jul 2014 #319

Yup. n/t progressoid Jul 2014 #343

This chart explains a lot: Maedhros Jul 2014 #365

Considering the shit pile he was left with... trumad Jul 2014 #4

I Could Not Disagree More With This Prevailing DU Sentiment - O Is An Appeaser For The 1% cantbeserious Jul 2014 #6

I always found Obama's support of the OWS movement a tad intellectually dishonest tymorial Jul 2014 #96

What support? Homeland Security was part of his administration. merrily Jul 2014 #178

I am not at all sure that it is the prevailing DU sentiment. merrily Jul 2014 #115

Let's say you are right, just for the sake of argument randys1 Jul 2014 #132

I Vote For Least Of The Offered Evils cantbeserious Jul 2014 #137

"Least." More than two options are offered. So, the correct word is merrily Jul 2014 #159

cool...it is like Dave Marsh said: randys1 Jul 2014 #161

Yep. PatrickforO Jul 2014 #326

please tell me what the TPP- and it is absoluteiy his, his fracking policies and cali Jul 2014 #7

Cali--- trumad Jul 2014 #37

c'mon, tru. Even assuming I "live in a Utopian world", my questions cali Jul 2014 #42

ah the give and take of the Presidential world. trumad Jul 2014 #92

You are still avoiding cali's question about the TPP... cui bono Jul 2014 #268

TPP? trumad Jul 2014 #283

You mean let's talk when it's too late. THIS is the time to stop it, 'when it is' enacted is way sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #313

I don't think you'll be open to an honest conversation about it, when it is. delrem Jul 2014 #314

Avoiding again... Why is Obama trying to get it, and get it secretly? The GOP isn't making him do it cui bono Jul 2014 #334

perhaps the lesson is for a president not to aim for a utopian world. mopinko Jul 2014 #51

I am stunned at what has happened over the last two terms of Obama. trumad Jul 2014 #100

you, me, and mopinko Jul 2014 #190

Given the opposition, I am surprised he has accomplished what he has. stevenleser Jul 2014 #216

It doesn't have to be either/or. Both party leaders failed us in these difficult times cui bono Jul 2014 #269

It's either or. Country had a massive crisis, only one side tried to fix it. That's either or. nt stevenleser Jul 2014 #273

Would that it were so black and white. But I see now why you don't think Obama should ever cui bono Jul 2014 #335

Except that the choice was never between perfection (or a pony) and what Obama delivered. merrily Jul 2014 #124

Oh horse fucking shit. trumad Jul 2014 #131

"Horse fucking shit" is a good comment on your total mischaracterization merrily Jul 2014 #147

"So-called "pragmatic progressives" trumad Jul 2014 #192

I said you mischaracterized my post. Did again, too. merrily Jul 2014 #196

OK... trumad Jul 2014 #200

That seems to me like an authentic invitation to discuss. merrily Jul 2014 #218

Well then your version of pragmatic is different that mine trumad Jul 2014 #221

No, you did not ask me if pragmatism were a good thing. merrily Jul 2014 #224

merrily, these people didn't say *anything* substantive. delrem Jul 2014 #315

I don't necessarily disagree, but shouldn't you be telling them? merrily Jul 2014 #342

Excellent points.. 2banon Jul 2014 #153

Thank you. merrily Jul 2014 #155

Hear, hear! woo me with science Jul 2014 #166

The goal isn't perfection -- It's more a matter of not undermining goals Armstead Jul 2014 #244

The TPP is a policy objective. Not an incidental flaw in an imperfect world. pa28 Jul 2014 #252

The TPP is entirely Obama, and it will be entirely HRC if she's elected. delrem Jul 2014 #316

By taking the first obvious steps in that direction. JEB Jul 2014 #290

Cali is not asking for "perfection." Maedhros Jul 2014 #322

There is no TPP that has been enacted. BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #50

Bingo. trumad Jul 2014 #103

In one respect, such a worldview BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #114

I think it's easy to preach from the keyboard. trumad Jul 2014 #123

Exactly BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #133

"nor did the Bush tax cuts remain in place" hfojvt Jul 2014 #135

Here we go again BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #152

sure they were hfojvt Jul 2014 #177

So you cite a report by a lobbying group that enabled Raygun's tax policy BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #180

you wanna talk about loopholes hfojvt Jul 2014 #185

I am not defending ANY loophole BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #209

Obama sought a better deal creeksneakers2 Jul 2014 #264

TPP will be in place. As for Energy Alternatives... Armstead Jul 2014 #246

"TPP will be in place" BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #250

One reason those didn't happen is because people complained Armstead Jul 2014 #333

Um, okay BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #338

It works bith ways. Over the years.... Armstead Jul 2014 #355

I have no problem with reasoned critique BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #360

That's a fair point Armstead Jul 2014 #368

I would add, completely worthless democrats in congress Cosmocat Jul 2014 #62

Here's what I think about Obama.. trumad Jul 2014 #109

SPOT ON Cosmocat Jul 2014 #195

+1 freshwest Jul 2014 #275

but the idea that he wishes for a utopian world is a rw meme and it's playing out certainot Jul 2014 #323

That is what gets my hackles up here Cosmocat Jul 2014 #340

vote, blog, whine- that's the policy for too many on the left certainot Jul 2014 #318

Have you forgotten where you are? nt redqueen Jul 2014 #119

agreed steve2470 Jul 2014 #259

Seems Fitting - "fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again" - GWB cantbeserious Jul 2014 #5

Kick & Rec Teamster Jeff Jul 2014 #8

An ineffective and gutless OP. randome Jul 2014 #9

Your Opinion Only - Others Would Disagree cantbeserious Jul 2014 #10

elaborate. Use of language is certainly not poor or unimaginative. cali Jul 2014 #14

'Ineffective and gutless' is overarching hyperbole, not nuanced analysis. randome Jul 2014 #19

you may believe you offered more of the same but you forgot to actually cali Jul 2014 #26

Sure, if you conveniently ignore woo me with science Jul 2014 #111

There's no content there. randome Jul 2014 #136

The saddest Third Way tactic of all: feigned inability to process a clearly written argument woo me with science Jul 2014 #149

You were the one who said there was content in the OP. randome Jul 2014 #203

Maybe its hard to identify a point that hasn't been made. LiberalLovinLug Jul 2014 #308

There. Is. No. Content. randome Jul 2014 #348

You.Just.Refuse.To.See.Any LiberalLovinLug Jul 2014 #353

+++ LiberalLovinLug Jul 2014 #307

+1,000,000,000,000 MohRokTah Jul 2014 #20

Your Opinion Only - Others Would Disagree cantbeserious Jul 2014 #25

Others would be wrong. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #28

Your Opinion Only - Others Would Disagree cantbeserious Jul 2014 #31

I know I am but what are you? eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #36

NonSensical Post cantbeserious Jul 2014 #41

How does one become a NonSensical Post? eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #45

By Asking Questions That Make No Sense cantbeserious Jul 2014 #48

Give me some examples MohRokTah Jul 2014 #49

Yours Is The NonSensical Post - See Link Below cantbeserious Jul 2014 #53

I know I am, but what are you? MohRokTah Jul 2014 #66

You Are What? cantbeserious Jul 2014 #67

Asking what you are. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #72

What I Am Is Irrelevant To The OP cantbeserious Jul 2014 #74

I could see how being a NonSensical Post would be irrelevant to the OP. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #78

Yours Was The NonSensical Post And Irrelevant To The OP cantbeserious Jul 2014 #99

You are the NonSensical Post And Irrelevant To The OP MohRokTah Jul 2014 #104

My Response Was To Your NonSensical Post - Review The Record cantbeserious Jul 2014 #106

You responded to my question by claiming to be a NonSensical Post - Review The Record MohRokTah Jul 2014 #120

I Responded To Your Question As Being NonSensical - Review The Record cantbeserious Jul 2014 #128

My Question, "what are you?" MohRokTah Jul 2014 #129

Your Question NonSensical - Review The Record cantbeserious Jul 2014 #233

You claimed to be a NonSensical Post - Review the Record. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #238

Your Assertion - Claim Made That Your Posts Are NonSensical cantbeserious Jul 2014 #239

Me: "what are you?" You: "NonSensical Post" MohRokTah Jul 2014 #240

You - NonSensical Post - Great That You Finally Agree cantbeserious Jul 2014 #247

What a childish subthread. NealK Jul 2014 #295

Great attempt to disrupt the discussion. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2014 #251

Others have already figured this person out... L0oniX Jul 2014 #165

Thanks For The Confirmation And Insight cantbeserious Jul 2014 #234

Nonsense, but your empty, defensive, namecalling response is predictable. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #22

The enemy is easier to see these days. L0oniX Jul 2014 #160

You will never be my enemy even if you want to believe I'm yours. randome Jul 2014 #205

You're a better person than I am. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #242

They are more desperate than ever. Rex Jul 2014 #255

Agreed. I'm giving you a thumbs up, then hiding this stupidity alcibiades_mystery Jul 2014 #34

all on here damning Obama heaven05 Jul 2014 #11

Your defense is a damnation. You claim the office is inherently corrupt and obviously so, comically Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #27

it's the top prize heaven05 Jul 2014 #83

There will be laughing at your capitulation to the over lords.... L0oniX Jul 2014 #174

oh no!!!!! heaven05 Jul 2014 #236

Please! Botany Jul 2014 #13

What in the article do you disagree with? Specifically. cali Jul 2014 #15

Only read the headline and the posted part and it struck me as a "hit piece" that isn't based .... Botany Jul 2014 #208

He reviews himself and finds that he's written sheer poetry. What a guy! randome Jul 2014 #210

For the bankers. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #16

Yes, the banksters did not get hit like they should have been but do you want to go back to .... Botany Jul 2014 #207

It was a *restructuring,* not a recovery. woo me with science Jul 2014 #212

^^^this^^^ progressoid Jul 2014 #346

This excerpt here ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #17

Has One Ever Heard Of The Power Of No - Very Effective Tool And Technique cantbeserious Jul 2014 #29

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #35

Your Experience And Opinion - Standing Ones Ground Is Very Effective cantbeserious Jul 2014 #44

Maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #58

Sometimes You Have To Walk Away From Those Unwilling To Participate cantbeserious Jul 2014 #61

So explain how a President "walks away" eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #68

By Saying No - Very Simple In Practice And Reality cantbeserious Jul 2014 #77

Okay. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #80

Indeed. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #127

Exactly. Why is that so hard for some to understand? nt Rex Jul 2014 #256

Excellent point! randome Jul 2014 #63

what he should of done was easy questionseverything Jul 2014 #167

I doubt the job of President is 'easy' in any sense of the word. randome Jul 2014 #176

+ 1,000 cantbeserious Jul 2014 #257

That's my problem with the piece too. State how unhinged and insane the opposition is Number23 Jul 2014 #281

Which is why ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #284

People like the author like to downplay or ignore the unhinged opposition steve2470 Jul 2014 #293

Another guy who has never won a single election geek tragedy Jul 2014 #21

Have you won any elections, passed any ordanances? If not, why do you speak your opinions? Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #32

There is a difference between criticizing geek tragedy Jul 2014 #43

Do you take Sarah Palin's pronouncements seriously? merrily Jul 2014 #183

How seriously do Republicans who want to geek tragedy Jul 2014 #193

I don't know, but I asked about you, not Republicans. merrily Jul 2014 #194

If I were interested in getting elected mayor geek tragedy Jul 2014 #197

But that's different. merrily Jul 2014 #201

Disagreement on policy is one thing. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #206

Again, I am not debating the OP article or its author with you. merrily Jul 2014 #211

My criteria for listening to people who make geek tragedy Jul 2014 #215

Again, my comment has nothing to do with Frank, but never mind. merrily Jul 2014 #217

+1 freshwest Jul 2014 #276

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #24

Good God, the hate streaming off you. 'Stick your head in an oven' is how you respond to political Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #33

Thomas Franks should go "stick his head in an oven". doesn't get SICKER than that. cali Jul 2014 #38

And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #55

His post was hidden so he can't respond... freshwest Jul 2014 #278

I'm talking about Thomas ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #282

Well, so was Jeff talking about Thomas, not the DU thread writer. If he had, the hide would be good. freshwest Jul 2014 #289

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #292

It was a stupid HIDE... DU jury protecting Thomas Frank at Salon.. how touching. Cha Jul 2014 #327

Fuckin' A, Bro! Preach it! Ferretherder Jul 2014 #56

I can't believe Jeff In Milwaukee's post got hidden by a "Jury" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #64

I agree. countingbluecars Jul 2014 #70

Not silly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #79

I think a person is not allowed to be a of a comment in a thread Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #173

I've wondered about that. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #186

It's too bad when someone goes to the trouble of writing a long post, Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #81

Read it again ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #95

Ah, I see that now. My bad. Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #97

You are much too generous ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #117

That's happened at least once before to a DUer.. oh yeah it was me.. I called Scalia Cha Jul 2014 #329

You won that one because ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #349

"Maybe"? /nt Marr Jul 2014 #150

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #157

+1 Cosmocat Jul 2014 #73

Thank you, Ferretherder! Jeff's post was Excellent and the DU jury HID it because why?.. Protecting Cha Jul 2014 #328

Thanks, Cha. I don't get the 'hide', either. Ferretherder Jul 2014 #337

K & R - We had his back - millions would have gone into the streets bread_and_roses Jul 2014 #39

You like how they turned out in 2010 after he went all-in on the ACA? Adrahil Jul 2014 #172

Delusional? Do you recall the campaign and the inauguration? bread_and_roses Jul 2014 #248

The above tripe is proof we have those on the left as deluded as those on the right mikekohr Jul 2014 #40

You do realize who wrote that piece, right? cali Jul 2014 #46

Whoosh. Octafish Jul 2014 #199

I was not refering to Mr. Frank mikekohr Jul 2014 #306

Very deep, er, derp. truebluegreen Jul 2014 #54

Salon gives every bitter voice in America a soapbox. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #84

An Anonymous quote (not Anonymous�) agrees with you: freshwest Jul 2014 #280

Damn! randome Jul 2014 #87

Oh, please. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #110

That is a very good post supporting those he's helped. Thanks. freshwest Jul 2014 #279

Ah, the contrarian rag rears its ugly head once again. nt conservaphobe Jul 2014 #47

From a progressive perspective Obama screwed up right from the gitgo tularetom Jul 2014 #52

how qazplm Jul 2014 #90

By not doing this: woo me with science Jul 2014 #125

Don't forget this. Part one and two below... L0oniX Jul 2014 #164

Actual policies?! woo me with science Jul 2014 #363

The only way to fight the right wing is get them out of office treestar Jul 2014 #57

Yup, and that includes Third Way Republicans in Democrat suits. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #143

535 tio 1 Cosmocat Jul 2014 #59

I wish those reacting reflexively to this article could grasp the greater gist of it. cali Jul 2014 #60

Absolute, fantastical bullshit Cosmocat Jul 2014 #69

We most certainly do not know that. Obviously that is unknowable. We can make cali Jul 2014 #75

Get snarky and dismissive Cosmocat Jul 2014 #198

Amen! nt countingbluecars Jul 2014 #76

What utter fantasy, that obstructionism is the problem, woo me with science Jul 2014 #105

+1000 JoePhilly Jul 2014 #140

That's actually not true. By wide margins in every measure, Democrats OVERWHELMINGLY support Number23 Jul 2014 #286

Thanks Cosmocat Jul 2014 #339

Nah, the swarm is merely a sign that the OP hits home woo me with science Jul 2014 #98

Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #126

I like Combustible Hair Club. JoePhilly Jul 2014 #141

And, then ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #144

Predictable avoidance of policies in favor of sliming DUers. That's how the propaganda rolls. woo me with science Jul 2014 #148

Ah, the evil "They". JoePhilly Jul 2014 #202

All you ever do is slime DUers. joshcryer Jul 2014 #262

Oh, Josh, this is such a silly post. woo me with science Jul 2014 #265

We're a capitalist society. "Corporate policy choices" are normal. joshcryer Jul 2014 #270

Yeah, that seems to be the new talking point. I've seen it several times since yesterday. woo me with science Jul 2014 #277

See what I mean about making it personal? joshcryer Jul 2014 #287

That's quite an indictment of the Third Way. woo me with science Jul 2014 #357

And you do it again. joshcryer Jul 2014 #364

Nailed it, Josh Number23 Jul 2014 #291

K&R Jeff in Milwaukees hidden post! Cosmocat Jul 2014 #71

so you endorse the sentiment "should stick his head in an oven" cali Jul 2014 #102

Perhaps he agrees with the other 50 lines of commentary that also got hidden? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #130

Franks talks out of both sides of his mouth. JoePhilly Jul 2014 #82

+1 Jamaal510 Jul 2014 #223

Frank pretty much nailed it stupidicus Jul 2014 #85

"I would disagree however, with the gutless and ineffective description unless it is qualified with woo me with science Jul 2014 #116

you know it woo stupidicus Jul 2014 #179

Obama tried big steps on climate change creeksneakers2 Jul 2014 #271

I am of course aware of all of that stupidicus Jul 2014 #356

The perfect example of the weakness of Obama is how he tried for months to get the... EEO Jul 2014 #86

It's almost as if the ACA was conceived and implemented as a purely political football Maedhros Jul 2014 #324

Since President Obama's reelection, the top rate of income tax on the rich has increased by 4.6%. Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #89

And if you try to use 4.6 percent to portray *this* presidency as a liberal effort, woo me with science Jul 2014 #121

But ... But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #138

I disagree with the headline and the message it sends. uwep Jul 2014 #93

LOL...And the influx continues... woo me with science Jul 2014 #113

Influx? creeksneakers2 Jul 2014 #272

You know, Bobbie Jo Jul 2014 #344

I'm glad someone is willing to break from the "consensus" of Dems to NC_Nurse Jul 2014 #118

Amen. woo me with science Jul 2014 #122

Good way of putting it.. 2banon Jul 2014 #182

...^ that 840high Jul 2014 #303

And the 2000 election dispute could have been fairly settled also Zambero Jul 2014 #134

The thing that drives me crazy about the complaining from the right AND catbyte Jul 2014 #304

Throughout all of the obstruction Obama and way too many Dems continued and continue to stillwaiting Jul 2014 #139

Every single time the Republican Party scandalizes itself into the potential dustbin of history, woo me with science Jul 2014 #156

Yes, for the love of Buddha, yes. It's THE big con. Why don't more see it? stillwaiting Jul 2014 #169

...or propping up the 2 party system. L0oniX Jul 2014 #171

"The con game has just about run its course." INDEED! K & R L0oniX Jul 2014 #170

Nailed it. XemaSab Jul 2014 #243

To be fair, Obama faced a different situation than Reagan did annominous Jul 2014 #142

I don't agree that President Obama or his presidency have been "gutless" Erda Jul 2014 #145

Ooooh, the racism card. woo me with science Jul 2014 #151

It's like the crane kick in the Karate Kid, Daniel-san. "If do right, no can defense." merrily Jul 2014 #162

I hope this Museum of Fail d_b Jul 2014 #158

The best thing that happened polynomial Jul 2014 #168

Interesting points and perspectives 2banon Jul 2014 #188

Just a silly question here: sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #214

This may be an apt analogy: Maedhros Jul 2014 #325

Yep :/ n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2014 #219

I looked for Frank's solutions in this article, concrete solutions, I really did bigtree Jul 2014 #220

I kept waiting for Franks to explain how shaming the GOP would work when ... JoePhilly Jul 2014 #226

republican obstruction has been unprecedented bigtree Jul 2014 #231

LMAO, yes, like the GOP would have cared about 'shaming'. This is magical thinking. stevenleser Jul 2014 #274

They (GOP) don't seem too impressed JEB Jul 2014 #296

First, your framing is incorrect. But lets assume it isnt for a moment. They dont care what we do. stevenleser Jul 2014 #301

Standing up for working people and our environment is the way JEB Jul 2014 #305

Very good analysis with excellent source material, although I disagree with the following BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #241

I don't think we disagree about the process of enacting legislation bigtree Jul 2014 #245

I agree that calling their bluff BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #253

+1, Republican meme = Obama is a dictator, the OP communications nothing different other than uponit7771 Jul 2014 #266

re-reading it bigtree Jul 2014 #267

This is another big reason Jamaal510 Jul 2014 #225

Professor Paul Krugman gives the President an A-; says he's the most consequential since... Hekate Jul 2014 #227

I see the apologists are in overdrive on this thread. Maven Jul 2014 #228

I see that critics of Obama are no more inclined to respond to those defenses with facts bigtree Jul 2014 #232

Yeah, but "the truth hurts".. Cha Jul 2014 #331

What truth? From Thomas Frank, Really? I'll take Paul Krugman's assessment of President Cha Jul 2014 #330

Nice to see you giving Krugman another chance! QC Jul 2014 #351

lol questionseverything Jul 2014 #359

ROFL Maven Jul 2014 #362

So? I call him out when I want to.. Nice to See Krugman's has come around to my way of thinking. Cha Jul 2014 #366

I hate the title libodem Jul 2014 #229

the teevee gnewz are still sniffing newt + reagan's ass. pansypoo53219 Jul 2014 #235

LOL I said this in 1 paragraph yesterday. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jul 2014 #237

Yeah that one weakness every WH has had since Reagan was in office. Rex Jul 2014 #261

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #263

The biggest waste of a presidency in history, most likely Doctor_J Jul 2014 #288

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #321

Really Don't Know - Sometimes You Do What You Want LarryNM Jul 2014 #294

K&R NealK Jul 2014 #297

What a time it has been...So Much Hope for Change after Bush Years KoKo Jul 2014 #298

Yes, I feel the same way about Bill Clinton's administration. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #302

I don't agree with everything the president has done... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #309

When did DU turn into an ANTI-Obama site? krawhitham Jul 2014 #310

It's just the usual haters taking the opportunity to drop Cha Jul 2014 #332

January, 2009. nt Bobbie Jo Jul 2014 #345

They were always here they're are just more anti Obama on the weekened uponit7771 Jul 2014 #352

What a crock! Major Hogwash Jul 2014 #311

Rick Perry barks, the president jumps, and nearly $4 billion dollars fell out of his pocket whereisjustice Jul 2014 #312

... SammyWinstonJack Jul 2014 #320

your sister's a whore, your brother's a thief, and your ideas are treasonous (SAYS RW RADIO) certainot Jul 2014 #317

Yes, Duers are whinny twits, dumbass trolls & idiots progressoid Jul 2014 #350

Back on topic. AIRSTONED Jul 2014 #336

"If you control the message you control the people" BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #347

I know it's easy for me to be a armchair quarterback, but If I where the POTUS. AIRSTONED Jul 2014 #354

"If I where the POTUS, I would give a weekly television address." BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #358

Agreed ..... AIRSTONED Jul 2014 #361

kick woo me with science Jul 2014 #367

let this tripe fall bigtree Jul 2014 #369