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220. I looked for Frank's solutions in this article, concrete solutions, I really did
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 02:21 PM
Jul 2014

. . . I didn't find any that went beyond his dismissal of the degree of republican obstructionism and his strange and curious belief that the President of the United States could do much more economically than propose budgets and sign (or veto) the legislation Congress sends him. In all of the criticism there's an unspoken belief that there's some autocratic lever the President has, or should use to allocate our tax dollars that would make the differences he wants to see.

There's the unspoken belief in this article that the President is capable of shaming the republican opposition into some sort of epiphany and cause them to do the things that this president and our party has already convinced the majority of the public they should.

Absent from Frank's criticisms are any mention at all of proposal after proposal, harangue after harangue over the years from President Obama; perhaps to satisfy his conclusion that the President could have responded "more aggressively to the Great Recession or by pounding relentlessly on the theme of middle-class economic distress."

I don't fault Frank for not acknowledging the almost countless occasions where the president has rhetorically defended the middle-class (which would disprove his claims). I am surprised, though, that he doesn't seem to make the point here that talk doesn't automatically equate with action.

But, let's take his point about the President's response to the 'Great Recession,' which is, arguably, the most prescient event in this presidency, and which defined and affected almost all of this presidency's economic policy.

President Barack Obama’s 2009 economic stimulus bill was passed in Congress during the first month of his Administration and received opposition from all but three Congressional Republicans.

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act” was passed and enacted in February of 2009 and contained approximately $800 billion in stimulus programs, tax cuts and tax incentives to help the economy, which at the time was losing almost one million jobs a month.

In the CBO report, “Estimated Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act on Employment and Economic Output from July 2011 Through September 2011,” a breakdown by year shows that the ARRA created or saved from 5 million to 25.4 million jobs from March 2009 through September 2011, as follows: (http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/125xx/doc12564/11-22-ARRA.pdf )

2009:a low estimate of .9 million jobs to a high estimate of 3.6 million jobs
2010:a low estimate of 2.6 million jobs to a high estimate of 13.2 million jobs
2011:a low estimate of 1.5 million jobs to a high estimate of 8.6 million jobs

CBO estimated that ARRA’s policies had the following effects in the third quarter of calendar year 2011 compared with what would have occurred otherwise:

--They raised real (inflation-adjusted) gross domestic product (GDP) by between 0.3 percent and 1.9 percent,
--They lowered the unemployment rate by between 0.2 percentage points and 1.3 percentage points,
--They increased the number of people employed by between 0.4 million and 2.4 million, and
--They increased the number of full-time-equivalent (FTE) jobs by 0.5 million to 3.3 million. (Increases in FTE jobs include shifts from part-time to full-time work or overtime and are thus generally larger than increases in the number of employed workers.)

In an interview with Michael Grunwald, Time magazine correspondent who published The New New Deal: The Hidden Story of Change in the Obama Era, an account of President Barack Obama's stimulus bill, Grunwald asserted that the stimulus transformed America.

GRUNWALD:


____ The Obama team thought a lot about the New Deal while they were putting the stimulus together, but times have changed since the New Deal. The Hoover Dam put 5,000 Americans to work with shovels. A comparable project today would only require a few hundred workers with heavy equipment . . .. The New Deal was a journey, an era, an aura. The Recovery Act was just a bill on Capitol Hill.

Yet its aid to victims of the Great Recession lifted at least 7 million people out of poverty and made 32 million poor people less poor. It built power lines and sewage plants and fire stations, just like the New Deal. It refurbished a lot of New Deal parks and train stations and libraries.

Most of the money in the stimulus went to unsexy stuff designed to prevent a depression and ease the pain of the recession: aid to help states avoid drastic cuts in public services and public employees; unemployment benefits, food stamps, and other assistance for victims of the downturn; and tax cuts for 95 percent of American workers. And the money that did flow into public works went more toward fixing stuff that needed fixing — aging pipes, dilapidated train stations, my beloved Everglades — than building new stuff.

In its first year, the stimulus financed 22,000 miles of road improvements, and only 230 miles of new roads. There were good reasons for that. Repairs tend to be more shovel-ready than new projects, so they pump money into the economy faster. They also pass the do-no-harm test. (New sprawl roads make all kind of problems worse.) And they are fiscally responsible. Repairing roads reduces maintenance backlogs and future deficits; building roads add to maintenance backlogs and future deficits.

The stimulus included $27 billion to computerize our pen-and-paper health care system, which should reduce redundant tests, dangerous drug interactions and fatalities caused by doctors with chicken-scratch handwriting. It doubled our renewable power generation; it essentially launched our transition to a low-carbon economy. It provided a new model for government spending — with unprecedented transparency, unprecedented scrutiny, and unprecedented competition for the cash . . .


Most critics from the left conflate Bush's bank bailouts with President Obama's stimulus . . . $350 billion of TARP money was saved for the new President when he took office in 2009. Obama never used the TARP funds. Instead, he launched his $787 billion Economic Stimulus package.

from the NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/business/economy/17leonhardt.html

____ Of course, no one can be certain about what would have happened in an alternate universe without a $787 billion stimulus. But there are two main reasons to think the hard-core skeptics are misguided — above and beyond those complicated, independent economic analyses.

The first is the basic narrative that the data offer. Pick just about any area of the economy and you come across the stimulus bill’s footprints.

In the early months of last year, spending by state and local governments was falling rapidly, as was tax revenue. In the spring, tax revenue continued to drop, yet spending jumped — during the very time when state and local officials were finding out roughly how much stimulus money they would be receiving. This is the money that has kept teachers, police officers, health care workers and firefighters employed.

Then there is corporate spending. It surged in the final months of last year. Mark Zandi of Economy.com (who has advised the McCain campaign and Congressional Democrats) says that the Dec. 31 expiration of a tax credit for corporate investment, which was part of the stimulus, is a big reason.

The story isn’t quite as clear-cut with consumer spending, as skeptics note. Its sharp plunge stopped before President Obama signed the stimulus into law exactly one year ago. But the billions of dollars in tax cuts, food stamps and jobless benefits in the stimulus have still made a difference. . . . aggregate wages and salaries have fallen, while consumer spending has risen. The difference between the two — some $100 billion — has essentially come from stimulus checks.


Republicans, at the time, complained that the President was using the money for purposes outside of their bailout of financial institutions. The President wanted the excess funds used for deficit reduction, but settled on allocating about $200 billion of the TARP money for small businesses and about $50 billion for housing (neither of which have found enough takers to use the money up yet).

from HuffPo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/09/obama-wont-use-tarp-funds_n_385807.html

The Obama administration will only use money from the Troubled Asset Relief Program to pay for one of the president's newly announced job-creation initiatives, relying on other sources of revenue to pay for the other two major components.

The president announced new plans on Tuesday for infrastructure repair, small business loans and home retrofitting. But only one part of that three-pronged approach -- small business lending -- will be paid for out of the $200 billion the White House says is left over from TARP.

"No one is suggesting using these savings directly for job creation programs," a senior administration official tells the Huffington Post. "The only part of the TARP savings that would be used directly would be for small business lending."

WSJ: How $50 Billion in TARP Money Is Being Spent on Housing
http://blogs.wsj.com/developments/2010/03/30/how-50-billion-in-tarp-money-is-being-spent-on-housing/


the Grist outlined 'Obama's Forgotten Urban Agenda':

President Obama created a special post at the White House for cities. The administration funneled more than $2.6 billion in stimulus money to transportation projects through the so-called TIGER grants. A significant chunk of this money went to transit and “complete streets” projects that benefit bicyclists and pedestrians as well as cars.

Another stimulus offshoot, the Neighborhood Stabilization Program, sent $7 billion to cities and states to help deal with the aftermath of the housing crisis. The funding allowed cities to repurpose or redevelop abandoned and foreclosed properties.

Through a pilot program called Strong Cities, Strong Communities, six struggling burgs have received expert help in the form of “fellows” who’ve helped fill understaffed city offices and promote economic revitalization.

Obama’s most far-sighted effort — and the one that best illustrates what he’s up against — is the Sustainable Communities Initiative, which brings together the Department of Transportation (DOT), the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to decide where government development dollars are best spent. How sensible, you’re thinking — let’s get the people who build the roads (or train lines or bike lanes) together with those that oversee housing and development policy, and toss in the people charged with making sure that we don’t create a mess of the environment in the process. But this wasn’t happening before . . .

. . . the partnership doled out roughly $200 million in sustainable community grants to promote dense, transit- and pedestrian-friendly development. The 2011 grants helped create a loan fund to build affordable housing and a food distribution hub near public transit in Sacramento, Calif.; fund a revitalization plan for the St. Charles parish in New Orleans; improve access to public transit for low-income residents in Boston; create a sustainable building code for the Kansas City region; and the list goes on. (For a much more detailed description of all this, check out Alyssa Katz’s supergreat story, “Reverse Commute,” in The American Prospect.)



In his first year in office, President Obama cut taxes for 95 percent of working families through the Recovery Act with the Making Work Pay tax cut. With that same piece of legislation, he created the American Opportunity Tax Credit -- which is currently helping more than 9 million families afford the cost of college.

The Recovery Act also lowered the threshold for refunds through the Child Tax Credit -- providing a tax cut to 11.8 million working families. The President also expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit for families with three or more children.

President Obama has passed tax cuts for small businesses 17 times. These measures range from allowing corporation to expense 100 percent of their new investments until the end of 2011 to creating a new deduction for health care costs for the self-employed. And the President also signed legislation to create tax credits for businesses that hire veterans.



excerpts from transcript of a (rare, print) interview with President Obama conducted by Jackie Calmes and Michael D. Shear of The New York Times. The interview was conducted at Knox College in Galesburg, Ill., on July 24, 2013 . . .

PRESIDENT: . . . I think if I’m arguing for entirely different policies and Congress ends up pursuing policies that I think don’t make sense and we get a bad result, it’s hard to argue that’d be my legacy. And so I’ll worry about my legacy later or I’ll let historians worry about my legacy.

I do worry about what’s happening to ordinary families and all across the country. When we know that rebuilding our infrastructure right now would put people back to work and it’s never been cheaper for us to do so, and this is all deferred maintenance that we’re going to have to do at some point anyway, I worry that we’re not moving faster to seize the moment. When we know that families are getting killed by college costs, for us not to take bold action -- which means that young people are graduating with massive debt, they can’t buy a home as soon as they want, they can’t start that business that they’ve got a great idea for -- that worries me.

. . . what I want to make sure everybody in Washington is obsessed with is how are we growing the economy, how are we increasing middle-class incomes and middle-class wages, and increasing middle-class security. And if we’re not talking about that, then we’re talking about the wrong thing.

. . . obviously, what Congress does matters. As I said in the speech, the economy is far stronger now than it was four and a half years ago. Most economists believe that growth will actually pick up next quarter and the second half of the year. And the one thing that could really screw things up would be if you have a manufactured crisis and Republicans choose to play brinksmanship all over again.

. . . one of the challenges, as I said in the speech, is that there’s almost a kneejerk habit right now that if I’m for it, then they’ve got to be against it. And I think there are a lot of Republicans who are frustrated by that, because they want to be for something, not just against something. But they’ve got to work through that pattern that’s developed over the last couple of years . . .


Now I'm going to do something which might surprise those who see this post as some fawning defense of this President. I'm going to agree with what I think is his point about this President's frequent insistence that there's something worthwhile about republicans that can be negotiated with or compromised with. I don't think most of the talk was anything more than a political head-fake which was more directed at the public perception of his office, than it involved any substantial or unnecessary.

Compromise is the natural function of our democratic system of government which is challenged to reconcile the myriad of interests and concerns from a diverse group of national legislators from many different regions of the country. I do believe there is value in taking an aggressive stand for what you believe in, but I'm not always convinced that just arguing is always the best course.

I believe President Obama has been slow to recognize the importance of taking a firm and principled stand against what is just opposition for opposition's sake. He's waking up to it now, perhaps too late - maybe, to be fair to him, he just thought the stakes were too high to just argue and accomplish nothing in the wake of all of the obstinacy. Yes, he has taken some, but Frank is correct if he's arguing that they've not been a hallmark of a presidency which began with many, many pledges from Barack Obama to 'work with' and 'reach out to republicans.'

We need to END republicanism, not partner with it's practitioners.
Democratic principles need to dominate the political arena, not sidle up beside republicans looking for some reciprocal grope.

Republicanism is not just an opposition party, it is a dangerous and destructive philosophy. Put into practice, it is naked corporatism, unquenchable militarism, unashamed discrimination, and anti-democratic tyranny. This republican class who is in power right now is the worst in my lifetime; nothing but a front for their corporate masters.

They are putting our nation at risk and threatening the health of the earth itself. This shouldn't be just a battle to just sit a couple of rungs above them. They need to be disenfranchised from successfully promoting and furthering their agenda.

"Reaching out" to them will be opportunistically characterized by these thugs as acceptance and acquiescence; ultimately rejected by them as not good enough or not far enough. They need to be taken down, and their supporters need to understand we're not willing to subject the nation, any more, to the consequences of the republican party's elaborate con job masquerading as policy.

We shouldn't pretend that there aren't specific issues which form a dividing line. Most of these, on the Democratic side, are long standing efforts to provide basic needs and to uphold or establish basic rights which the republicans obstruct with whatever position or strategy suits the moment, often completely running over their previous philosophy, like their former objections to 'nation-building', or conservatives' former support of privacy rights.

What the President seemed to be unaware of in making these expressions of comity, is that many of the compromises he's seeking may well make sense in the political arena - like clearing some untidy backlog of unfinished business. Yet, most of those compromises threaten divide many in the country from the Democratic party which has pledged, and fought to support and defend these opportunistically-discarded initiatives in the past. That 'partisanship' is a NECESSARY response to republican obstructionism.

These days, our party doesn't have a progressive agenda; it has a timid and defensive one in the face of an extreme republican opposition, and I reject any implication that our Democratic politics has EVER been unnecessarily confrontational. These 'lifelong republicans' need to be aggressively challenged and discredited when they try and push their obstructionist, industry enabling agenda, not mollycoddled.

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It's true he did quote FDR to the bankers about the pitchforks. His job was different from FDR's. craigmatic Jul 2014 #1
Obama did come in after the system had failed completely. zeemike Jul 2014 #12
+1 Octafish Jul 2014 #23
That's what I'm talking about. zeemike Jul 2014 #65
Civilian Conservation Corps did a world of good. Octafish Jul 2014 #187
And the irony is that if we would have spent that on new energy zeemike Jul 2014 #260
Yep. DeSwiss Jul 2014 #300
I never knew secondvariety Jul 2014 #107
The special inspector general for TARP said it and a whole lot more worth hearing. Octafish Jul 2014 #189
Not only did he say it, but actions speak louder than words. merrily Jul 2014 #204
Geithner said THAT?! Out Loud???!!! 2banon Jul 2014 #146
Don't feel bad. The hits just keep-a comin'! Octafish Jul 2014 #191
thanks Octofish.. you're so right, it just keeps a comin'.. sheesh. 2banon Jul 2014 #222
Re-posting that video. Thanks. L0oniX Jul 2014 #254
He sure did. Apparently, it was okay in 1930 to call a Depression what it was. merrily Jul 2014 #91
He actually said that? zeemike Jul 2014 #101
Paulson? Yes, he did. I watched him on three talking heads shows that Sunday. merrily Jul 2014 #112
PLUS ONE! Thank you, zeemike. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #94
Excellent post. woo me with science Jul 2014 #163
+1 leftstreet Jul 2014 #181
+1000! DeSwiss Jul 2014 #299
This is a reasonable argument of what happened BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #18
Bring charges against a President for signing a bill? Good luck with that. merrily Jul 2014 #88
Clinton set the environment and the results happened years later. craigmatic Jul 2014 #285
I challenged your claims about criminal charges against Clinton, though. merrily Jul 2014 #341
FDR adopted many of Hoover's policies. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #154
Which policies were those? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #230
Partial list. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #249
Thanks, very interesting MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #258
Excellent analysis by Frank- as usual. Thanks for posting it. cali Jul 2014 #2
K&R Except that "ineffective" and "gutless" are the wrong characterization of this presidency. woo me with science Jul 2014 #3
and "full of it" elehhhhna Jul 2014 #30
+100000000000 woo me with science Jul 2014 #108
Bingo. Calling someone ineffective requires an assumption about what that person merrily Jul 2014 #175
That's why I couldn't rec this. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #184
IMO, the choices were evident before Obama took office. merrily Jul 2014 #213
He's been very, very effective in making sure that Corporate America recovered Maedhros Jul 2014 #319
Yup. n/t progressoid Jul 2014 #343
This chart explains a lot: Maedhros Jul 2014 #365
Considering the shit pile he was left with... trumad Jul 2014 #4
I Could Not Disagree More With This Prevailing DU Sentiment - O Is An Appeaser For The 1% cantbeserious Jul 2014 #6
I always found Obama's support of the OWS movement a tad intellectually dishonest tymorial Jul 2014 #96
What support? Homeland Security was part of his administration. merrily Jul 2014 #178
I am not at all sure that it is the prevailing DU sentiment. merrily Jul 2014 #115
Let's say you are right, just for the sake of argument randys1 Jul 2014 #132
I Vote For Least Of The Offered Evils cantbeserious Jul 2014 #137
"Least." More than two options are offered. So, the correct word is merrily Jul 2014 #159
cool...it is like Dave Marsh said: randys1 Jul 2014 #161
Yep. PatrickforO Jul 2014 #326
please tell me what the TPP- and it is absoluteiy his, his fracking policies and cali Jul 2014 #7
Cali--- trumad Jul 2014 #37
c'mon, tru. Even assuming I "live in a Utopian world", my questions cali Jul 2014 #42
ah the give and take of the Presidential world. trumad Jul 2014 #92
You are still avoiding cali's question about the TPP... cui bono Jul 2014 #268
TPP? trumad Jul 2014 #283
You mean let's talk when it's too late. THIS is the time to stop it, 'when it is' enacted is way sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #313
I don't think you'll be open to an honest conversation about it, when it is. delrem Jul 2014 #314
Avoiding again... Why is Obama trying to get it, and get it secretly? The GOP isn't making him do it cui bono Jul 2014 #334
perhaps the lesson is for a president not to aim for a utopian world. mopinko Jul 2014 #51
I am stunned at what has happened over the last two terms of Obama. trumad Jul 2014 #100
you, me, and mopinko Jul 2014 #190
Given the opposition, I am surprised he has accomplished what he has. stevenleser Jul 2014 #216
It doesn't have to be either/or. Both party leaders failed us in these difficult times cui bono Jul 2014 #269
It's either or. Country had a massive crisis, only one side tried to fix it. That's either or. nt stevenleser Jul 2014 #273
Would that it were so black and white. But I see now why you don't think Obama should ever cui bono Jul 2014 #335
Except that the choice was never between perfection (or a pony) and what Obama delivered. merrily Jul 2014 #124
Oh horse fucking shit. trumad Jul 2014 #131
"Horse fucking shit" is a good comment on your total mischaracterization merrily Jul 2014 #147
"So-called "pragmatic progressives" trumad Jul 2014 #192
I said you mischaracterized my post. Did again, too. merrily Jul 2014 #196
OK... trumad Jul 2014 #200
That seems to me like an authentic invitation to discuss. merrily Jul 2014 #218
Well then your version of pragmatic is different that mine trumad Jul 2014 #221
No, you did not ask me if pragmatism were a good thing. merrily Jul 2014 #224
merrily, these people didn't say *anything* substantive. delrem Jul 2014 #315
I don't necessarily disagree, but shouldn't you be telling them? merrily Jul 2014 #342
Excellent points.. 2banon Jul 2014 #153
Thank you. merrily Jul 2014 #155
Hear, hear! woo me with science Jul 2014 #166
The goal isn't perfection -- It's more a matter of not undermining goals Armstead Jul 2014 #244
The TPP is a policy objective. Not an incidental flaw in an imperfect world. pa28 Jul 2014 #252
The TPP is entirely Obama, and it will be entirely HRC if she's elected. delrem Jul 2014 #316
By taking the first obvious steps in that direction. JEB Jul 2014 #290
Cali is not asking for "perfection." Maedhros Jul 2014 #322
There is no TPP that has been enacted. BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #50
Bingo. trumad Jul 2014 #103
In one respect, such a worldview BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #114
I think it's easy to preach from the keyboard. trumad Jul 2014 #123
Exactly BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #133
"nor did the Bush tax cuts remain in place" hfojvt Jul 2014 #135
Here we go again BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #152
sure they were hfojvt Jul 2014 #177
So you cite a report by a lobbying group that enabled Raygun's tax policy BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #180
you wanna talk about loopholes hfojvt Jul 2014 #185
I am not defending ANY loophole BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #209
Obama sought a better deal creeksneakers2 Jul 2014 #264
TPP will be in place. As for Energy Alternatives... Armstead Jul 2014 #246
"TPP will be in place" BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #250
One reason those didn't happen is because people complained Armstead Jul 2014 #333
Um, okay BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #338
It works bith ways. Over the years.... Armstead Jul 2014 #355
I have no problem with reasoned critique BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #360
That's a fair point Armstead Jul 2014 #368
I would add, completely worthless democrats in congress Cosmocat Jul 2014 #62
Here's what I think about Obama.. trumad Jul 2014 #109
SPOT ON Cosmocat Jul 2014 #195
+1 freshwest Jul 2014 #275
but the idea that he wishes for a utopian world is a rw meme and it's playing out certainot Jul 2014 #323
That is what gets my hackles up here Cosmocat Jul 2014 #340
vote, blog, whine- that's the policy for too many on the left certainot Jul 2014 #318
Have you forgotten where you are? nt redqueen Jul 2014 #119
agreed steve2470 Jul 2014 #259
Seems Fitting - "fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again" - GWB cantbeserious Jul 2014 #5
Kick & Rec Teamster Jeff Jul 2014 #8
An ineffective and gutless OP. randome Jul 2014 #9
Your Opinion Only - Others Would Disagree cantbeserious Jul 2014 #10
elaborate. Use of language is certainly not poor or unimaginative. cali Jul 2014 #14
'Ineffective and gutless' is overarching hyperbole, not nuanced analysis. randome Jul 2014 #19
you may believe you offered more of the same but you forgot to actually cali Jul 2014 #26
Sure, if you conveniently ignore woo me with science Jul 2014 #111
There's no content there. randome Jul 2014 #136
The saddest Third Way tactic of all: feigned inability to process a clearly written argument woo me with science Jul 2014 #149
You were the one who said there was content in the OP. randome Jul 2014 #203
Maybe its hard to identify a point that hasn't been made. LiberalLovinLug Jul 2014 #308
There. Is. No. Content. randome Jul 2014 #348
You.Just.Refuse.To.See.Any LiberalLovinLug Jul 2014 #353
+++ LiberalLovinLug Jul 2014 #307
+1,000,000,000,000 MohRokTah Jul 2014 #20
Your Opinion Only - Others Would Disagree cantbeserious Jul 2014 #25
Others would be wrong. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #28
Your Opinion Only - Others Would Disagree cantbeserious Jul 2014 #31
I know I am but what are you? eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #36
NonSensical Post cantbeserious Jul 2014 #41
How does one become a NonSensical Post? eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #45
By Asking Questions That Make No Sense cantbeserious Jul 2014 #48
Give me some examples MohRokTah Jul 2014 #49
Yours Is The NonSensical Post - See Link Below cantbeserious Jul 2014 #53
I know I am, but what are you? MohRokTah Jul 2014 #66
You Are What? cantbeserious Jul 2014 #67
Asking what you are. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #72
What I Am Is Irrelevant To The OP cantbeserious Jul 2014 #74
I could see how being a NonSensical Post would be irrelevant to the OP. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #78
Yours Was The NonSensical Post And Irrelevant To The OP cantbeserious Jul 2014 #99
You are the NonSensical Post And Irrelevant To The OP MohRokTah Jul 2014 #104
My Response Was To Your NonSensical Post - Review The Record cantbeserious Jul 2014 #106
You responded to my question by claiming to be a NonSensical Post - Review The Record MohRokTah Jul 2014 #120
I Responded To Your Question As Being NonSensical - Review The Record cantbeserious Jul 2014 #128
My Question, "what are you?" MohRokTah Jul 2014 #129
Your Question NonSensical - Review The Record cantbeserious Jul 2014 #233
You claimed to be a NonSensical Post - Review the Record. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #238
Your Assertion - Claim Made That Your Posts Are NonSensical cantbeserious Jul 2014 #239
Me: "what are you?" You: "NonSensical Post" MohRokTah Jul 2014 #240
You - NonSensical Post - Great That You Finally Agree cantbeserious Jul 2014 #247
What a childish subthread. NealK Jul 2014 #295
Great attempt to disrupt the discussion. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2014 #251
Others have already figured this person out... L0oniX Jul 2014 #165
Thanks For The Confirmation And Insight cantbeserious Jul 2014 #234
Nonsense, but your empty, defensive, namecalling response is predictable. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #22
The enemy is easier to see these days. L0oniX Jul 2014 #160
You will never be my enemy even if you want to believe I'm yours. randome Jul 2014 #205
You're a better person than I am. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #242
They are more desperate than ever. Rex Jul 2014 #255
Agreed. I'm giving you a thumbs up, then hiding this stupidity alcibiades_mystery Jul 2014 #34
all on here damning Obama heaven05 Jul 2014 #11
Your defense is a damnation. You claim the office is inherently corrupt and obviously so, comically Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #27
it's the top prize heaven05 Jul 2014 #83
There will be laughing at your capitulation to the over lords.... L0oniX Jul 2014 #174
oh no!!!!! heaven05 Jul 2014 #236
Please! Botany Jul 2014 #13
What in the article do you disagree with? Specifically. cali Jul 2014 #15
Only read the headline and the posted part and it struck me as a "hit piece" that isn't based .... Botany Jul 2014 #208
He reviews himself and finds that he's written sheer poetry. What a guy! randome Jul 2014 #210
For the bankers. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #16
Yes, the banksters did not get hit like they should have been but do you want to go back to .... Botany Jul 2014 #207
It was a *restructuring,* not a recovery. woo me with science Jul 2014 #212
^^^this^^^ progressoid Jul 2014 #346
This excerpt here ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #17
Has One Ever Heard Of The Power Of No - Very Effective Tool And Technique cantbeserious Jul 2014 #29
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #35
Your Experience And Opinion - Standing Ones Ground Is Very Effective cantbeserious Jul 2014 #44
Maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #58
Sometimes You Have To Walk Away From Those Unwilling To Participate cantbeserious Jul 2014 #61
So explain how a President "walks away" eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #68
By Saying No - Very Simple In Practice And Reality cantbeserious Jul 2014 #77
Okay. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #80
Indeed. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #127
Exactly. Why is that so hard for some to understand? nt Rex Jul 2014 #256
Excellent point! randome Jul 2014 #63
what he should of done was easy questionseverything Jul 2014 #167
I doubt the job of President is 'easy' in any sense of the word. randome Jul 2014 #176
+ 1,000 cantbeserious Jul 2014 #257
That's my problem with the piece too. State how unhinged and insane the opposition is Number23 Jul 2014 #281
Which is why ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #284
People like the author like to downplay or ignore the unhinged opposition steve2470 Jul 2014 #293
Another guy who has never won a single election geek tragedy Jul 2014 #21
Have you won any elections, passed any ordanances? If not, why do you speak your opinions? Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #32
There is a difference between criticizing geek tragedy Jul 2014 #43
Do you take Sarah Palin's pronouncements seriously? merrily Jul 2014 #183
How seriously do Republicans who want to geek tragedy Jul 2014 #193
I don't know, but I asked about you, not Republicans. merrily Jul 2014 #194
If I were interested in getting elected mayor geek tragedy Jul 2014 #197
But that's different. merrily Jul 2014 #201
Disagreement on policy is one thing. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #206
Again, I am not debating the OP article or its author with you. merrily Jul 2014 #211
My criteria for listening to people who make geek tragedy Jul 2014 #215
Again, my comment has nothing to do with Frank, but never mind. merrily Jul 2014 #217
+1 freshwest Jul 2014 #276
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #24
Good God, the hate streaming off you. 'Stick your head in an oven' is how you respond to political Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #33
Thomas Franks should go "stick his head in an oven". doesn't get SICKER than that. cali Jul 2014 #38
And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #55
His post was hidden so he can't respond... freshwest Jul 2014 #278
I'm talking about Thomas ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #282
Well, so was Jeff talking about Thomas, not the DU thread writer. If he had, the hide would be good. freshwest Jul 2014 #289
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #292
It was a stupid HIDE... DU jury protecting Thomas Frank at Salon.. how touching. Cha Jul 2014 #327
Fuckin' A, Bro! Preach it! Ferretherder Jul 2014 #56
I can't believe Jeff In Milwaukee's post got hidden by a "Jury" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #64
I agree. countingbluecars Jul 2014 #70
Not silly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #79
I think a person is not allowed to be a of a comment in a thread Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #173
I've wondered about that. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #186
It's too bad when someone goes to the trouble of writing a long post, Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #81
Read it again ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #95
Ah, I see that now. My bad. Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #97
You are much too generous ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #117
That's happened at least once before to a DUer.. oh yeah it was me.. I called Scalia Cha Jul 2014 #329
You won that one because ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #349
"Maybe"? /nt Marr Jul 2014 #150
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #157
+1 Cosmocat Jul 2014 #73
Thank you, Ferretherder! Jeff's post was Excellent and the DU jury HID it because why?.. Protecting Cha Jul 2014 #328
Thanks, Cha. I don't get the 'hide', either. Ferretherder Jul 2014 #337
K & R - We had his back - millions would have gone into the streets bread_and_roses Jul 2014 #39
You like how they turned out in 2010 after he went all-in on the ACA? Adrahil Jul 2014 #172
Delusional? Do you recall the campaign and the inauguration? bread_and_roses Jul 2014 #248
The above tripe is proof we have those on the left as deluded as those on the right mikekohr Jul 2014 #40
You do realize who wrote that piece, right? cali Jul 2014 #46
Whoosh. Octafish Jul 2014 #199
I was not refering to Mr. Frank mikekohr Jul 2014 #306
Very deep, er, derp. truebluegreen Jul 2014 #54
Salon gives every bitter voice in America a soapbox. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #84
An Anonymous quote (not Anonymous©) agrees with you: freshwest Jul 2014 #280
Damn! randome Jul 2014 #87
Oh, please. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #110
That is a very good post supporting those he's helped. Thanks. freshwest Jul 2014 #279
Ah, the contrarian rag rears its ugly head once again. nt conservaphobe Jul 2014 #47
From a progressive perspective Obama screwed up right from the gitgo tularetom Jul 2014 #52
how qazplm Jul 2014 #90
By not doing this: woo me with science Jul 2014 #125
Don't forget this. Part one and two below... L0oniX Jul 2014 #164
Actual policies?! woo me with science Jul 2014 #363
The only way to fight the right wing is get them out of office treestar Jul 2014 #57
Yup, and that includes Third Way Republicans in Democrat suits. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #143
535 tio 1 Cosmocat Jul 2014 #59
I wish those reacting reflexively to this article could grasp the greater gist of it. cali Jul 2014 #60
Absolute, fantastical bullshit Cosmocat Jul 2014 #69
We most certainly do not know that. Obviously that is unknowable. We can make cali Jul 2014 #75
Get snarky and dismissive Cosmocat Jul 2014 #198
Amen! nt countingbluecars Jul 2014 #76
What utter fantasy, that obstructionism is the problem, woo me with science Jul 2014 #105
+1000 JoePhilly Jul 2014 #140
That's actually not true. By wide margins in every measure, Democrats OVERWHELMINGLY support Number23 Jul 2014 #286
Thanks Cosmocat Jul 2014 #339
Nah, the swarm is merely a sign that the OP hits home woo me with science Jul 2014 #98
Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #126
I like Combustible Hair Club. JoePhilly Jul 2014 #141
And, then ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #144
Predictable avoidance of policies in favor of sliming DUers. That's how the propaganda rolls. woo me with science Jul 2014 #148
Ah, the evil "They". JoePhilly Jul 2014 #202
All you ever do is slime DUers. joshcryer Jul 2014 #262
Oh, Josh, this is such a silly post. woo me with science Jul 2014 #265
We're a capitalist society. "Corporate policy choices" are normal. joshcryer Jul 2014 #270
Yeah, that seems to be the new talking point. I've seen it several times since yesterday. woo me with science Jul 2014 #277
See what I mean about making it personal? joshcryer Jul 2014 #287
That's quite an indictment of the Third Way. woo me with science Jul 2014 #357
And you do it again. joshcryer Jul 2014 #364
Nailed it, Josh Number23 Jul 2014 #291
K&R Jeff in Milwaukees hidden post! Cosmocat Jul 2014 #71
so you endorse the sentiment "should stick his head in an oven" cali Jul 2014 #102
Perhaps he agrees with the other 50 lines of commentary that also got hidden? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #130
Franks talks out of both sides of his mouth. JoePhilly Jul 2014 #82
+1 Jamaal510 Jul 2014 #223
Frank pretty much nailed it stupidicus Jul 2014 #85
"I would disagree however, with the gutless and ineffective description unless it is qualified with woo me with science Jul 2014 #116
you know it woo stupidicus Jul 2014 #179
Obama tried big steps on climate change creeksneakers2 Jul 2014 #271
I am of course aware of all of that stupidicus Jul 2014 #356
The perfect example of the weakness of Obama is how he tried for months to get the... EEO Jul 2014 #86
It's almost as if the ACA was conceived and implemented as a purely political football Maedhros Jul 2014 #324
Since President Obama's reelection, the top rate of income tax on the rich has increased by 4.6%. Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #89
And if you try to use 4.6 percent to portray *this* presidency as a liberal effort, woo me with science Jul 2014 #121
But ... But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #138
I disagree with the headline and the message it sends. uwep Jul 2014 #93
LOL...And the influx continues... woo me with science Jul 2014 #113
Influx? creeksneakers2 Jul 2014 #272
You know, Bobbie Jo Jul 2014 #344
I'm glad someone is willing to break from the "consensus" of Dems to NC_Nurse Jul 2014 #118
Amen. woo me with science Jul 2014 #122
Good way of putting it.. 2banon Jul 2014 #182
...^ that 840high Jul 2014 #303
And the 2000 election dispute could have been fairly settled also Zambero Jul 2014 #134
The thing that drives me crazy about the complaining from the right AND catbyte Jul 2014 #304
Throughout all of the obstruction Obama and way too many Dems continued and continue to stillwaiting Jul 2014 #139
Every single time the Republican Party scandalizes itself into the potential dustbin of history, woo me with science Jul 2014 #156
Yes, for the love of Buddha, yes. It's THE big con. Why don't more see it? stillwaiting Jul 2014 #169
...or propping up the 2 party system. L0oniX Jul 2014 #171
"The con game has just about run its course." INDEED! K & R L0oniX Jul 2014 #170
Nailed it. XemaSab Jul 2014 #243
To be fair, Obama faced a different situation than Reagan did annominous Jul 2014 #142
I don't agree that President Obama or his presidency have been "gutless" Erda Jul 2014 #145
Ooooh, the racism card. woo me with science Jul 2014 #151
It's like the crane kick in the Karate Kid, Daniel-san. "If do right, no can defense." merrily Jul 2014 #162
I hope this Museum of Fail d_b Jul 2014 #158
The best thing that happened polynomial Jul 2014 #168
Interesting points and perspectives 2banon Jul 2014 #188
Just a silly question here: sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #214
This may be an apt analogy: Maedhros Jul 2014 #325
Yep :/ n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2014 #219
I looked for Frank's solutions in this article, concrete solutions, I really did bigtree Jul 2014 #220
I kept waiting for Franks to explain how shaming the GOP would work when ... JoePhilly Jul 2014 #226
republican obstruction has been unprecedented bigtree Jul 2014 #231
LMAO, yes, like the GOP would have cared about 'shaming'. This is magical thinking. stevenleser Jul 2014 #274
They (GOP) don't seem too impressed JEB Jul 2014 #296
First, your framing is incorrect. But lets assume it isnt for a moment. They dont care what we do. stevenleser Jul 2014 #301
Standing up for working people and our environment is the way JEB Jul 2014 #305
Very good analysis with excellent source material, although I disagree with the following BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #241
I don't think we disagree about the process of enacting legislation bigtree Jul 2014 #245
I agree that calling their bluff BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #253
+1, Republican meme = Obama is a dictator, the OP communications nothing different other than uponit7771 Jul 2014 #266
re-reading it bigtree Jul 2014 #267
This is another big reason Jamaal510 Jul 2014 #225
Professor Paul Krugman gives the President an A-; says he's the most consequential since... Hekate Jul 2014 #227
I see the apologists are in overdrive on this thread. Maven Jul 2014 #228
I see that critics of Obama are no more inclined to respond to those defenses with facts bigtree Jul 2014 #232
Yeah, but "the truth hurts".. Cha Jul 2014 #331
What truth? From Thomas Frank, Really? I'll take Paul Krugman's assessment of President Cha Jul 2014 #330
Nice to see you giving Krugman another chance! QC Jul 2014 #351
lol questionseverything Jul 2014 #359
ROFL Maven Jul 2014 #362
So? I call him out when I want to.. Nice to See Krugman's has come around to my way of thinking. Cha Jul 2014 #366
I hate the title libodem Jul 2014 #229
the teevee gnewz are still sniffing newt + reagan's ass. pansypoo53219 Jul 2014 #235
LOL I said this in 1 paragraph yesterday. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jul 2014 #237
Yeah that one weakness every WH has had since Reagan was in office. Rex Jul 2014 #261
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #263
The biggest waste of a presidency in history, most likely Doctor_J Jul 2014 #288
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #321
Really Don't Know - Sometimes You Do What You Want LarryNM Jul 2014 #294
K&R NealK Jul 2014 #297
What a time it has been...So Much Hope for Change after Bush Years KoKo Jul 2014 #298
Yes, I feel the same way about Bill Clinton's administration. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #302
I don't agree with everything the president has done... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #309
When did DU turn into an ANTI-Obama site? krawhitham Jul 2014 #310
It's just the usual haters taking the opportunity to drop Cha Jul 2014 #332
January, 2009. nt Bobbie Jo Jul 2014 #345
They were always here they're are just more anti Obama on the weekened uponit7771 Jul 2014 #352
What a crock! Major Hogwash Jul 2014 #311
Rick Perry barks, the president jumps, and nearly $4 billion dollars fell out of his pocket whereisjustice Jul 2014 #312
... SammyWinstonJack Jul 2014 #320
your sister's a whore, your brother's a thief, and your ideas are treasonous (SAYS RW RADIO) certainot Jul 2014 #317
Yes, Duers are whinny twits, dumbass trolls & idiots progressoid Jul 2014 #350
Back on topic. AIRSTONED Jul 2014 #336
"If you control the message you control the people" BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #347
I know it's easy for me to be a armchair quarterback, but If I where the POTUS. AIRSTONED Jul 2014 #354
"If I where the POTUS, I would give a weekly television address." BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #358
Agreed ..... AIRSTONED Jul 2014 #361
kick woo me with science Jul 2014 #367
let this tripe fall bigtree Jul 2014 #369
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