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In reply to the discussion: Right-wing obstruction could have been fought: An ineffective and gutless presidency’s legacy [View all]For some perspective, let me share this, that I ran into last night:
At neither end of the ideological spectrum did respect for civility of discourse restrain the Roosevelt-haters. The Communist leader Earl Browder said that FDR was "carrying out more thoroughly and brutally than even Hoover the capitalist attack against the masses," and the domestic fascist William Dudley Pelley called the President the "lowest form of human worm - according to Gentile standards." One critic accused him of "blathering platitudes like a parson on vacation." and another wrote to him savagely, "If you were a good honest man, Jesus Christ would not have crippled you." It was in a formal address to the Chicago Bar Association, not in a harangue to an extremist rally, that a United States Senator from Minnesota did not hesitate to liken Roosevelt to the beast of the Apocalypse," "who set his slimy mark on everything."[4]
Roosevelt, his critics maintained, had shown himself to be a man without principles. Herbert Hoover called him a "chameleon on plaid," while H. L. Mencken said, "If he became convinced tomorrow that coming out for cannibalism would get him the votes he so sorely needs, he would begin fattening a missionary in the White House backyard come Wednesday." The Sage of Baltimore declared, "I am advocating making him king in order that we may behead him in case he goes too far beyond the limits of the endurable."[5]
A good number of historians as well have found fault with FDR. New Left writers have chided him for offering a "profoundly conservative" response to a situation that had the potential for revolutionary change, while commentators of no particular persuasion have criticized him for failing to bring the country out of the Depression short of war, for maneuvering America into World War II (or for not taking the nation to war soon enough, for refusing to advocate civil rights legislation, for permitting Jews to perish in Hitler's death camps, and for sanctioning the internment of Japanese-Americans. Even a historian who thought well of him, Allan Nevins, wrote that "his mind, compared with that of Woodrow Wilson, sometimes appears superficial, and...he possessed no such intellectual versatility as Thomas Jefferson - to say nothing of Winston Churchill." Nevins added: "In respect to character, similarly, he had traits of an admirable kind; but...even in combination they fell short of a truly Roman weight of virtue."[6]
Roosevelt has been castigated especially for his inability to develop any grand design. Most great leaders have had an idea they wanted to impose, noted a contemporary critic, "whereas Roosevelt, if he has one, has successfully concealed it." Similarly, the political scientist C. Herman Pritchett later concluded that the New Deal never produced "any consistent social and economic philosophy to give meaning and purpose to its various action programs." He added,
Roosevelt, his critics maintained, had shown himself to be a man without principles. Herbert Hoover called him a "chameleon on plaid," while H. L. Mencken said, "If he became convinced tomorrow that coming out for cannibalism would get him the votes he so sorely needs, he would begin fattening a missionary in the White House backyard come Wednesday." The Sage of Baltimore declared, "I am advocating making him king in order that we may behead him in case he goes too far beyond the limits of the endurable."[5]
A good number of historians as well have found fault with FDR. New Left writers have chided him for offering a "profoundly conservative" response to a situation that had the potential for revolutionary change, while commentators of no particular persuasion have criticized him for failing to bring the country out of the Depression short of war, for maneuvering America into World War II (or for not taking the nation to war soon enough, for refusing to advocate civil rights legislation, for permitting Jews to perish in Hitler's death camps, and for sanctioning the internment of Japanese-Americans. Even a historian who thought well of him, Allan Nevins, wrote that "his mind, compared with that of Woodrow Wilson, sometimes appears superficial, and...he possessed no such intellectual versatility as Thomas Jefferson - to say nothing of Winston Churchill." Nevins added: "In respect to character, similarly, he had traits of an admirable kind; but...even in combination they fell short of a truly Roman weight of virtue."[6]
Roosevelt has been castigated especially for his inability to develop any grand design. Most great leaders have had an idea they wanted to impose, noted a contemporary critic, "whereas Roosevelt, if he has one, has successfully concealed it." Similarly, the political scientist C. Herman Pritchett later concluded that the New Deal never produced "any consistent social and economic philosophy to give meaning and purpose to its various action programs." He added,
more at this link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/fdryears.htm
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Right-wing obstruction could have been fought: An ineffective and gutless presidency’s legacy [View all]
XemaSab
Jul 2014
OP
It's true he did quote FDR to the bankers about the pitchforks. His job was different from FDR's.
craigmatic
Jul 2014
#1
The special inspector general for TARP said it and a whole lot more worth hearing.
Octafish
Jul 2014
#189
K&R Except that "ineffective" and "gutless" are the wrong characterization of this presidency.
woo me with science
Jul 2014
#3
Bingo. Calling someone ineffective requires an assumption about what that person
merrily
Jul 2014
#175
He's been very, very effective in making sure that Corporate America recovered
Maedhros
Jul 2014
#319
I Could Not Disagree More With This Prevailing DU Sentiment - O Is An Appeaser For The 1%
cantbeserious
Jul 2014
#6
I always found Obama's support of the OWS movement a tad intellectually dishonest
tymorial
Jul 2014
#96
You mean let's talk when it's too late. THIS is the time to stop it, 'when it is' enacted is way
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#313
Avoiding again... Why is Obama trying to get it, and get it secretly? The GOP isn't making him do it
cui bono
Jul 2014
#334
It doesn't have to be either/or. Both party leaders failed us in these difficult times
cui bono
Jul 2014
#269
It's either or. Country had a massive crisis, only one side tried to fix it. That's either or. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2014
#273
Would that it were so black and white. But I see now why you don't think Obama should ever
cui bono
Jul 2014
#335
Except that the choice was never between perfection (or a pony) and what Obama delivered.
merrily
Jul 2014
#124
So you cite a report by a lobbying group that enabled Raygun's tax policy
BumRushDaShow
Jul 2014
#180
but the idea that he wishes for a utopian world is a rw meme and it's playing out
certainot
Jul 2014
#323
Seems Fitting - "fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again" - GWB
cantbeserious
Jul 2014
#5
The saddest Third Way tactic of all: feigned inability to process a clearly written argument
woo me with science
Jul 2014
#149
You responded to my question by claiming to be a NonSensical Post - Review The Record
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#120
Nonsense, but your empty, defensive, namecalling response is predictable. nt
woo me with science
Jul 2014
#22
Your defense is a damnation. You claim the office is inherently corrupt and obviously so, comically
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2014
#27
Only read the headline and the posted part and it struck me as a "hit piece" that isn't based ....
Botany
Jul 2014
#208
Yes, the banksters did not get hit like they should have been but do you want to go back to ....
Botany
Jul 2014
#207
Has One Ever Heard Of The Power Of No - Very Effective Tool And Technique
cantbeserious
Jul 2014
#29
That's my problem with the piece too. State how unhinged and insane the opposition is
Number23
Jul 2014
#281
Have you won any elections, passed any ordanances? If not, why do you speak your opinions?
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2014
#32
Good God, the hate streaming off you. 'Stick your head in an oven' is how you respond to political
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2014
#33
Thomas Franks should go "stick his head in an oven". doesn't get SICKER than that.
cali
Jul 2014
#38
Well, so was Jeff talking about Thomas, not the DU thread writer. If he had, the hide would be good.
freshwest
Jul 2014
#289
That's happened at least once before to a DUer.. oh yeah it was me.. I called Scalia
Cha
Jul 2014
#329
Thank you, Ferretherder! Jeff's post was Excellent and the DU jury HID it because why?.. Protecting
Cha
Jul 2014
#328
The above tripe is proof we have those on the left as deluded as those on the right
mikekohr
Jul 2014
#40
Yup, and that includes Third Way Republicans in Democrat suits. nt
woo me with science
Jul 2014
#143
I wish those reacting reflexively to this article could grasp the greater gist of it.
cali
Jul 2014
#60
That's actually not true. By wide margins in every measure, Democrats OVERWHELMINGLY support
Number23
Jul 2014
#286
Predictable avoidance of policies in favor of sliming DUers. That's how the propaganda rolls.
woo me with science
Jul 2014
#148
Yeah, that seems to be the new talking point. I've seen it several times since yesterday.
woo me with science
Jul 2014
#277
Perhaps he agrees with the other 50 lines of commentary that also got hidden? eom.
1StrongBlackMan
Jul 2014
#130
"I would disagree however, with the gutless and ineffective description unless it is qualified with
woo me with science
Jul 2014
#116
The perfect example of the weakness of Obama is how he tried for months to get the...
EEO
Jul 2014
#86
It's almost as if the ACA was conceived and implemented as a purely political football
Maedhros
Jul 2014
#324
Since President Obama's reelection, the top rate of income tax on the rich has increased by 4.6%.
Nye Bevan
Jul 2014
#89
And if you try to use 4.6 percent to portray *this* presidency as a liberal effort,
woo me with science
Jul 2014
#121
Throughout all of the obstruction Obama and way too many Dems continued and continue to
stillwaiting
Jul 2014
#139
Every single time the Republican Party scandalizes itself into the potential dustbin of history,
woo me with science
Jul 2014
#156
Yes, for the love of Buddha, yes. It's THE big con. Why don't more see it?
stillwaiting
Jul 2014
#169
It's like the crane kick in the Karate Kid, Daniel-san. "If do right, no can defense."
merrily
Jul 2014
#162
I looked for Frank's solutions in this article, concrete solutions, I really did
bigtree
Jul 2014
#220
I kept waiting for Franks to explain how shaming the GOP would work when ...
JoePhilly
Jul 2014
#226
LMAO, yes, like the GOP would have cared about 'shaming'. This is magical thinking.
stevenleser
Jul 2014
#274
First, your framing is incorrect. But lets assume it isnt for a moment. They dont care what we do.
stevenleser
Jul 2014
#301
Very good analysis with excellent source material, although I disagree with the following
BumRushDaShow
Jul 2014
#241
+1, Republican meme = Obama is a dictator, the OP communications nothing different other than
uponit7771
Jul 2014
#266
Professor Paul Krugman gives the President an A-; says he's the most consequential since...
Hekate
Jul 2014
#227
I see that critics of Obama are no more inclined to respond to those defenses with facts
bigtree
Jul 2014
#232
What truth? From Thomas Frank, Really? I'll take Paul Krugman's assessment of President
Cha
Jul 2014
#330
So? I call him out when I want to.. Nice to See Krugman's has come around to my way of thinking.
Cha
Jul 2014
#366
Rick Perry barks, the president jumps, and nearly $4 billion dollars fell out of his pocket
whereisjustice
Jul 2014
#312
your sister's a whore, your brother's a thief, and your ideas are treasonous (SAYS RW RADIO)
certainot
Jul 2014
#317
I know it's easy for me to be a armchair quarterback, but If I where the POTUS.
AIRSTONED
Jul 2014
#354