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kentuck

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5. I'm not sure we should have a dog in this fight?
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 07:30 PM
Jul 2014

This is primarily a long-standing dispute between Russia and the Ukraine.

America has become more and more involved in the last couple of years.

Russia has used Crimea as their naval base since the days of the old Soviet Union and before. It would be as if someone threatened our Norfolk Naval Base. We would protect it at all costs. So it is with the Russians. Perhaps Putin's dream is to restore the old Soviet Union?

It's a complicated and complex story with their natural resources. Russia sells a lot of natural gas to Europe. However, most of the pipelines go thru Ukraine. They have possession of the infrastructure but they (Ukraine) also get their gas from Russia. And they have had incidents where their gas was cut off because they owe the Russians about a billion dollars on their gas bill. Russia has increased the prices at will.

But Ukraine supplies Crimea with energy and fast-speed Internet. That is their leverage that they have on the Russians - other than the pipelines - and this is maybe the root of the crisis?

Since Russia is intent on protecting what they perceive as theirs, they have sent all sorts of weaponry to the border of Eastern Ukraine and Russia and they have hired their own rag-tag bunch of mercenaries to fight for them inside the Ukrainian border and are training them to protect their borders and the airspace over Crimea and Eastern Ukraine.

It would not be surprising if Putin ordered the plane shot down, just to send a message to America and the West. "If you are thinking of bringing in your caterpillar drones, we will shoot them down. And we will shoot down whatever else enters our airspace..."

This is serious business but I don't know if America wants to get too close to either side in this conflict? Maybe they have already made promises that they cannot keep?



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I await your responses... JackRiddler Jul 2014 #1
Bookmarking for later Jack Union Scribe Jul 2014 #2
ditto dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #4
Thanks. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #28
Some fact, some fiction, some acknowledgement that Putin isn't a prince, but much of TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #3
I just want to know what our game plan is for getting involved in the mess in Ukraine. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #6
I don't think we are going to get further involved militarily, beyond non-lethal aid, TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #7
Putin is a prince! JackRiddler Jul 2014 #16
I'm not sure we should have a dog in this fight? kentuck Jul 2014 #5
Thank for the most sensible and in-depth analysis I've seen on this situation, by far. scarletwoman Jul 2014 #8
Merci! JackRiddler Jul 2014 #19
It's nuance inter-spread with canned talking points. joshcryer Jul 2014 #9
The Kiev government includes a fascist party. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #17
Yes, the tea party has something like 1% too. joshcryer Jul 2014 #21
"Maidan was" JackRiddler Jul 2014 #22
Poroshenko is the head of the government. joshcryer Jul 2014 #23
"new elections after the terrorist crisis is over" JackRiddler Jul 2014 #24
If Cliven Bundey pulled what Igor is pulling... joshcryer Jul 2014 #25
Quite possibly. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #26
I'm not a supporter of Putin, I'm not a supporter of the Kiev regime Dems to Win Jul 2014 #10
I'm sure we'll get to sell arms to somebody. JEB Jul 2014 #11
kick kentuck Jul 2014 #12
Thank you. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #18
I always get annoyed when the MIghty Wurlitzer spins up one of these political witch hunts. bemildred Jul 2014 #13
I'm reminded of the Wolfowitz doctrine, PNAC and The Grand Chessboard jakeXT Jul 2014 #14
This is excellent - TBF Jul 2014 #15
Of course I don't mind, thank you. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #20
What I've said all along...neither side are "good guys",... HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #27
And now the plot turns. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #29
Month later: Sadly. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #30
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