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lumberjack_jeff

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191. It should be feasible to ride a bike between home, work and the market.

Sun Jul 20, 2014, 11:04 PM

Jul 2014

If they are not, then municipal planning is the problem.

And in my experience, bike riders tend to "look more presentable" than drivers do.

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What can we do about the obesity epidemic? [View all] Harmony Blue Jul 2014 OP

Development that's less-focused on cars Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #1

Yes, I gained weight after moving from Portland to mostly car-dependent Minneapolis Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2014 #56

Yep, vegetables and fruit are prohibitively expensive, except for some 'basics'. laundry_queen Jul 2014 #112

That would be the first step, I think. nt raccoon Jul 2014 #86

How about leaving people alone to live yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #89

Does that actually mean anything? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #93

this JohLast Jul 2014 #144

Bring back cooking and nutrition classes to schools. Marrah_G Jul 2014 #2

Good idea YarnAddict Jul 2014 #39

Personally, I think all students should take both shop and home ec! n/t deafskeptic Jul 2014 #77

Yup! YarnAddict Jul 2014 #79

Agreed... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #135

You are spot on, Marrah_G. phylny Jul 2014 #172

Yes- and they don't even know the basics Marrah_G Jul 2014 #185

Destroy every hand held device in America packman Jul 2014 #3

Wonder if capitalism would allow for treestar Jul 2014 #21

A "hand held device" has been a huge aid in weight loss for me Silent3 Jul 2014 #146

I'd start by stopping subsidies for corn and sugar. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #4

Yes - get the crap out of our food supply. Criminal that we're forced to pay for it too! polichick Jul 2014 #41

+1 lunasun Jul 2014 #136

Bingo. Start with the subsidies. Arugula Latte Jul 2014 #55

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #5

Shaming is just legitimized bullying. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #6

So social ostricization of racists is bullying... AngryAmish Jul 2014 #9

Obese does not inherenly equal killing yourself, or even particularly being unhealthy. Ms. Toad Jul 2014 #71

Why is it okay to socially ostracize the overweight? You really think that'll help anything? n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #75

Racism is the equivalent to you of obesity? That's effed-up. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #96

You win for not understanding what is an analogy AngryAmish Jul 2014 #107

No you made your views very whistler162 Jul 2014 #127

It was a poor analogy. cyberswede Jul 2014 #165

Yeah not even close. laundry_queen Jul 2014 #115

So you think obese people are the whistler162 Jul 2014 #126

Have you ever heard of an analogy? AngryAmish Jul 2014 #130

A jury gets it too. alp227 Jul 2014 #160

Thanks! NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #161

uh... no, lots we an do handmade34 Jul 2014 #8

Ahh... All_Corners Jul 2014 #28

Care to give a link to your "studies"? BuelahWitch Jul 2014 #32

I'll start you off... All_Corners Jul 2014 #33

These studies refute themselves BuelahWitch Jul 2014 #40

Here's a study that showed positive results cyberswede Jul 2014 #162

'Fat shaming' actually increases risk of becoming or staying obese eShirl Jul 2014 #19

+1000 nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #76

Can you believe people say such things?! JackRiddler Jul 2014 #152

Social pressure AngryAmish Jul 2014 #7

Try moving somewhere with no sidewalks or pedestrian infrastructure... Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #10

I do like that you're the only person thus far to note connections between obesity and muni-planning Chan790 Jul 2014 #45

^^This!^^ BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #50

+2 nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #78

A good book for city planners or those trying to influence city planners former9thward Jul 2014 #109

Yep, even a small amount of walking makes a difference laundry_queen Jul 2014 #119

+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #170

I think it is more complicated than "people walk more in cities." Arugula Latte Jul 2014 #180

explain Mexico then- snooper2 Jul 2014 #203

What about Mexico? n/t Chan790 Jul 2014 #206

Or in the winter with a windchill that will freeze exposed skin in 10 minutes. nt laundry_queen Jul 2014 #116

Exactly. Fat people should feel bad about themselves. hughee99 Jul 2014 #18

Some of them... All_Corners Jul 2014 #29

I guess those who are overweight because of their meds could carry a raccoon Jul 2014 #87

Sounds like a right winger treestar Jul 2014 #20

yes.. if only this country had been fat shaming all along there would be no problem now eShirl Jul 2014 #22

Talk to the smokers... All_Corners Jul 2014 #31

You can stop smoking. You can't stop eating or you die. jeff47 Jul 2014 #37

It's a 90% solution and it's well underway... All_Corners Jul 2014 #63

No, it really isn't. jeff47 Jul 2014 #111

You don't have to eat like crap... All_Corners Jul 2014 #123

Yet you still have to eat jeff47 Jul 2014 #124

Not eating like crap includes not eating to excess... All_Corners Jul 2014 #143

So....are you always utterly oblivious? jeff47 Jul 2014 #156

More often than not, there's going to be That Guy who pretends he knows who deserves what... LanternWaste Jul 2014 #223

It is easier for me to stop eating than to stop smoking. RebelOne Jul 2014 #97

Briefly. Then you'll find you want food. Somewhere around 3x a day. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2014 #110

LOL only if you believe it was shaming that made them all stop laundry_queen Jul 2014 #121

But I see this happening, eventually.... AngryOldDem Jul 2014 #38

We might work at the same place! 2theleft Jul 2014 #60

Used to work in a hospital Freddie Jul 2014 #133

Your advice is utterly terrible. jeff47 Jul 2014 #36

Just stop it. Ms. Toad Jul 2014 #72

Because there just hasn't been ENOUGH in the last 150 years! WinkyDink Jul 2014 #94

Hey, can I try that on dipshits who post moronic bullshit? REP Jul 2014 #181

Shame does the opposite of what you want it to do Marrah_G Jul 2014 #186

Get growth hormones out of our dairy and beef cattle.... Little Star Jul 2014 #11

+1. And endocrine disruptors out of everything else. nt laundry_queen Jul 2014 #122

Totally agree n/t pleinair Jul 2014 #157

Or, even better, get dairy out of your diet. Codeine Jul 2014 #167

People have been drinking milk for thousands of years.... Little Star Jul 2014 #168

In Germany the state offers free sponsored sports teams lovuian Jul 2014 #12

Taking the commuter train from downtown Munich to the airport-- eridani Jul 2014 #132

Refute the high carb/man made-frankenfood/low fat/gov-big food companies lies and propaganda workinclasszero Jul 2014 #13

Start with an adequate nutrition curriculum in medical school. flvegan Jul 2014 #14

I like the school idea and would add integrating school cafeterias as labs for those classes. Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #139

Stop spending the majority of our lives... 99Forever Jul 2014 #15

To start, ban WHITE sugar! TheDebbieDee Jul 2014 #16

White sugar has been around a lot longer than the obesity epidemic. Codeine Jul 2014 #67

White sugar HAS been around for a long time... TheDebbieDee Jul 2014 #74

Removing refined sugar and/or corn syrup from products where they're not needed - nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #80

The USDA maintains price supports on sugar at 18.75� per pound above the world market price Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #108

Social rules treestar Jul 2014 #17

Maybe start with people minding their own business. Walk a mile in others shoes and all. nt Mnemosyne Jul 2014 #23

I am thinking the same thing lost-in-nj Jul 2014 #141

Judging people by their weight is sickening. They have no clue what those people's lives Mnemosyne Jul 2014 #166

How about anorexic kindergarten girls? WinkyDink Jul 2014 #24

Two sides of the same coin. A lot of obese people have eating disorders too - nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #81

It is the SAME side. How do you think kids GET the idea they should be skinny? WinkyDink Jul 2014 #99

This country has a totally screwed-up relationship with food and the human body. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #101

The number one eating disorder in the first world is overeating. AngryAmish Jul 2014 #91

It isn't a "disorder." It may well be a vice (gluttony), but it is in itself not a disorder. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #92

Anything that reduces quality of life and years of life is clearly disordered. AngryAmish Jul 2014 #100

First thing, move towards understanding that obesity is a shared outcome HereSince1628 Jul 2014 #25

thanks for bringing in the sleep disorder issue! Scout Jul 2014 #197

Stop subsidizing crap foods tabbycat31 Jul 2014 #26

$4.00 a gallon tax on gas. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #27

The V.A. thinks both my type 2 diabetes and heart disease are from Agent Orange HereSince1628 Jul 2014 #30

Exactly. Making sure poorer people can't afford hughee99 Jul 2014 #44

Then the Op should have asked a different question. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #48

Perhaps we didn't read it the same way. hughee99 Jul 2014 #58

Something I've completely lost patience with... lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #69

I agree with you to a certain degree. hughee99 Jul 2014 #70

"If we believe in individual freedom, then obese people should be respected in that choice." nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #83

The problem here is that people ordinarily don't decide to be overweight the day they become adults lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #90

Totally agree there. But positive reinforcement is the way to go about it. n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #95

I'm not so sure. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #103

"Sometimes the stick is useful." True enough. n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #104

You can advocate for broad social change via law Harmony Blue Jul 2014 #120

Exactly. The calorie count in gas is outrageous. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #49

Americans, of course, are the only people who go to work. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #53

Way way way WAY too late on that Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #59

Great plan.... All_Corners Jul 2014 #64

If obesitiy is a big problem, then it needs big solutions. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #65

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #66

Bathroom scales at the DMV? lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #68

It is not feasible to ride a bike everywhere tabbycat31 Jul 2014 #174

It should be feasible to ride a bike between home, work and the market. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #191

You assume a short commute tabbycat31 Jul 2014 #192

90% of us *should* be able to ride a bike 20 minutes to get to the bus/train. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #193

I'm not sure where you live tabbycat31 Jul 2014 #210

Widespread bike commuting would represent a change. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #212

Step 1: Ignore the morons that try to use shame and other negative tactics jeff47 Jul 2014 #34

Best post of the thread! nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #84

High blood pressure is more closely correlated with lean body mass that with fat eridani Jul 2014 #134

Off the top of my head BuelahWitch Jul 2014 #35

Having lived in West Oakland where there are literally zero grocery stores, #3 is dead on. n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #85

You are the first to mention stress marions ghost Jul 2014 #106

I think that stress eating is a big part, especially for the working class BuelahWitch Jul 2014 #149

Yep marions ghost Jul 2014 #204

I, for one would like to see more free time so people can be more active. AngryOldDem Jul 2014 #42

So would I. CBHagman Jul 2014 #163

Exactly. Could not agree more. AngryOldDem Jul 2014 #173

so very true La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #215

Do not feel pressured to eat. That bit of advice doesn't apply to everyone, but Quantess Jul 2014 #43

Stop overeating? moondust Jul 2014 #46

Commercial television is a non-stop parade of ads for fattening food aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #47

Know which large restaurant has the consistently best salad? jeff47 Jul 2014 #52

I'm talking about the cumulative effect of constant food enticement aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #62

smaller supermarkets IcyPeas Jul 2014 #51

Why would the smaller supermarkets only stock healthy food? jeff47 Jul 2014 #57

How my skinny (100 lbs.) cravings work HockeyMom Jul 2014 #54

Get rid of 2naSalit Jul 2014 #61

A lot of people don't get that people can be obese AND malnourished. Arugula Latte Jul 2014 #73

And all the 2naSalit Jul 2014 #128

Chill the fuck out about it and stop calling it an epidemic. Brickbat Jul 2014 #82

It's more like "endemic" at this point Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #98

What's interesting is that rate has leveled off in the past 10 years -- it's not getting worse. Brickbat Jul 2014 #114

Comparison of 2003 and 2010 doesn't look "levelled off": Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #117

There are certainly changes in rates by state in your maps, but CDC information shows that Brickbat Jul 2014 #118

Notice that the "no data" of 1985... JackRiddler Jul 2014 #151

Here's 1994 (first year for data from all 50 states): Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #153

yes. and STOP using BMI as a measurement that means anything. Scout Jul 2014 #196

Move your ass (excercise) for 1 hour/day & good diet. U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #88

Us Skinnies can too HockeyMom Jul 2014 #102

That's what I'm talking about!!! U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #105

Yep, me too. llmart Jul 2014 #138

Eliminate lobbying to start with SoCalDem Jul 2014 #113

Ban HFC... Drew Richards Jul 2014 #125

Designing cities to make biking and walking less dangerous. eridani Jul 2014 #129

Use Bulldozers from Soylent Green to chase people. Katashi_itto Jul 2014 #131

Breastfeeding reduces obesity. A newborn's tummy can hold 1.5 teaspoons at birth. vanlassie Jul 2014 #137

+1 laundry_queen Jul 2014 #142

Laundry-queen, I would not be surprised if there turns out to be a link between vanlassie Jul 2014 #145

I didn't know that laundry_queen Jul 2014 #159

I think it's a definite connection with soy siouxsiecreamcheese Jul 2014 #154

I totally get it. laundry_queen Jul 2014 #158

Especially when done at Olive Garden. With a pit bull. Silent3 Jul 2014 #147

I understand. Somebody had to do it... vanlassie Jul 2014 #148

1. Walkable cities/towns (sidewalks, pedestrian zones). CBHagman Jul 2014 #140

Stop subsidizing crap food. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #150

Boycott all-you-can-eat buffets Zambero Jul 2014 #155

Instill habits early on, where possible. CBHagman Jul 2014 #164

Treat the underlying sleep disorder. I mean this. McCamy Taylor Jul 2014 #169

Get out the one important fact: We (USA) are addicted to ...salt, sugar and fat..and combos of them Stuart G Jul 2014 #171

This thread reminded me of this comic redqueen Jul 2014 #175

Seriously.... The empressof all Jul 2014 #177

But there are fat people who aren't ashamed of themselves for being fat! redqueen Jul 2014 #187

The answer is quite easy.... The empressof all Jul 2014 #189

cut out added sugar, encourage smaller portions Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2014 #176

Sports in schools for all lovemydog Jul 2014 #178

Eat less sugar and exercise more. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #179

I cut out sodas, began running a cpl miles a week Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #209

Wonderful! JDPriestly Jul 2014 #211

wha ever mercuryblues Jul 2014 #182

Unconditional basic income. Joe Shlabotnik Jul 2014 #183

We can look to our own weight, MineralMan Jul 2014 #184

+1 n/t Silent3 Jul 2014 #221

Don't worry, climate change is likely to solve the problem Live and Learn Jul 2014 #188

How did this post ... JEFF9K Jul 2014 #190

It is an open ended discussion and my question is open ended indeed Harmony Blue Jul 2014 #195

Dude...you need to get over that post. cyberswede Jul 2014 #201

The post about New Year's Resolutions was made inoperable. JEFF9K Jul 2014 #205

Illegal immigration plays a factor madville Jul 2014 #194

I am failing to see the epidemic. dilby Jul 2014 #198

This is not about the curvy ladies but societal trends towards unhealthy living. CBHagman Jul 2014 #207

+1 cyberswede Jul 2014 #216

The problem is the way the word "obese" is used. And the focus on weight as opposed to health redqueen Jul 2014 #217

Bingo! dilby Jul 2014 #219

400 lbs is the lower boundary of "obese"? lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #213

My problem is I am 6'1" 220 and on the BMI Charts I am labeled as Obese. dilby Jul 2014 #218

Not that BMI is any more than a very rough guide anyway, but 189, not 160... Silent3 Jul 2014 #220

I dunno, maybe I'm oversimplifying here... pipi_k Jul 2014 #199

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #200

More "real" food, less processing and HFCS. Ilsa Jul 2014 #202

Soylent Green Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #208

living in cities that use public transportation instead of cars. cheap real food instead of cheap La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #214

We can continue the progress which is under way... KurtNYC Jul 2014 #222