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gaspee

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12. I don't knowwhy you bother.

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:48 PM

Apr 2012

Some peole are either too stupid, or too willfully ignorant to acknowledge the impact of institutional and societal racism.

And the hatred of your oppressor sometimes comes out as hatred of the entire group your oppressor is a member of. That does not equal reverse racism.

I somtimes hate men as a class when I get emotionally run down by the misogyny I am subject to as a female. Sometimes I hate straight people when a particularly nasty spate of violence against GLBT or when legalized discrimination is reafirmed by the courts or the court of public opinion.

When I hate men or straights because of the oppression I am subject to as female, GLBT and poor, I don't have the power to affect their lives. I may be wrong to feel that way but I'm not oppressing anyone.

Good luck getting people who don't want to see the difference to see it.

I don't even bother any more.

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Prejudice against whites is not the same as prejudice against blacks [View all] CreekDog Apr 2012 OP

I'm not buying it... OccupyTheIRS Apr 2012 #1

I didn't say you should accept either one CreekDog Apr 2012 #6

That's not what the OP is saying obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #10

Plan on leaving the planet? Because unless you're another species of sentient hominid, Ecumenist Apr 2012 #11

The difference is THEY WILL STOP YOU or THEY CAN'T STOP YOU saras Apr 2012 #134

What??? OccupyTheIRS Apr 2012 #136

Thre is a fundamental difference between racism and prejudice malaise Apr 2012 #2

GREAT explanation ! uponit7771 Apr 2012 #5

you're just as dead if you're killed by a prejudiced individual as killed by a racist. provis99 Apr 2012 #36

yeah but if you're black Fox News will report that you deserved it CreekDog Apr 2012 #44

True but until we remove the institutional racism malaise Apr 2012 #50

Or if by accident, no? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2012 #81

Exactly. OccupyTheIRS Apr 2012 #89

You can be a racist without denying anyone anything Major Nikon Apr 2012 #132

No it does not - that is prejudice malaise Apr 2012 #135

I thought when racism spred institutionally, it was called Institutional Racism. hughee99 Apr 2012 #142

Excellent OP! obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #3

oh great, so now its ok to be prejudice or racist, as long as it quinnox Apr 2012 #4

My OP said prejudice is wrong. CreekDog Apr 2012 #7

The OP said nothing like that obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #13

Can you read? THAT IS NOT WHAT WHAT THE OP SAID...AT.ALL!!! Ecumenist Apr 2012 #15

maybe being bombarded by threads saying essentially how terrible white people and white men are quinnox Apr 2012 #20

You need to go back and read the post carefully because that IS NOT WHAT WAS SAID NOR Ecumenist Apr 2012 #21

i made it clear that both are wrong, but there is an additional injury when one's experience CreekDog Apr 2012 #24

No, the OP is not saying any of that obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #26

oh hell, I'm going to back out of this thread quinnox Apr 2012 #29

Many of the posts (I think we're both talking about the same ones) weren't declaring JonLP24 Apr 2012 #52

"Can you read?" "What is wrong with you?" Number23 Apr 2012 #125

Nothing new. Where have you been? nt Skip Intro Apr 2012 #67

i don't think i could convince someone who defended Ron Paul's newsletters as not being his views CreekDog Apr 2012 #74

Veering off topic and misrepresenting my views do little to help your case. Skip Intro Apr 2012 #95

the reason your statements saying Paul isn't racist are relevant CreekDog Apr 2012 #111

Dude, do you have me confused with someone else? WTF are you talking about? Skip Intro Apr 2012 #114

If i'm wrong i'll apologize here CreekDog Apr 2012 #117

Im back to confirm that you used the term "race card" several times in reference to Obama CreekDog Apr 2012 #124

Oh man. This is surreal. Skip Intro Apr 2012 #128

You said it was bs when i pointed out you used the term CreekDog Apr 2012 #129

Dude, look, you are just spouting bs. I'll prove it - Skip Intro Apr 2012 #130

Three Days, No Links, proves you full of it, yes? Skip Intro Apr 2012 #139

they are easy to find, go find them, look at 2008 in particular CreekDog Apr 2012 #140

Lordy. Post 143. nt Skip Intro Apr 2012 #144

Skip Intro: "Oh give the fucking race card a rest, will you?..." CreekDog Apr 2012 #141

Lol - CreekDog, are you on drugs? Skip Intro Apr 2012 #143

Oh poor me! mactime Apr 2012 #8

Creekdog is a white, straight male obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #14

i did say they are wrong, are people not reading my post? CreekDog Apr 2012 #16

CreekDog, I understood what you were trying to say and most of the poster did. Some, however Ecumenist Apr 2012 #22

I'm actually a bit surprised with the viciousness and ferocity by apparent progressives CreekDog Apr 2012 #27

Exactly, The latent bigots are surfacing in the wake of Trayvon's murder and as far as posting..... Ecumenist Apr 2012 #30

Out of left field? Mariana Apr 2012 #61

Yes, I do know what you mean. It's just sad but I suppose, it's better that "they" are unmasked so Ecumenist Apr 2012 #65

society itself, the institutions that comprise our society mzteris Apr 2012 #9

No, they don't want to gaspee Apr 2012 #17

exactly. mzteris Apr 2012 #94

Yep. White, straight, Christian males... OneGrassRoot Apr 2012 #33

"They ain't nevah gonna get it." Number23 Apr 2012 #127

oh good lord - mzteris Apr 2012 #138

I don't knowwhy you bother. gaspee Apr 2012 #12

good point about hatred against the oppressor not being the same CreekDog Apr 2012 #47

There is no acceptable form of bias or prejudice TeamsterDem Apr 2012 #18

Well said mactime Apr 2012 #40

if a thousand people are doing something wrong isn't it worse than if one person is? CreekDog Apr 2012 #45

The frequency with which something is done doesn't make it better or worse TeamsterDem Apr 2012 #46

then why do we study the Holocaust? CreekDog Apr 2012 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author bart95 Apr 2012 #57

I don't study the holocaust. And don't attempt to link your argument to the noble cause of ... TeamsterDem Apr 2012 #58

No, you are misreading. EFerrari Apr 2012 #59

He said some discrimination isn't the same as other discrimination TeamsterDem Apr 2012 #63

It isn't and that's so self evident EFerrari Apr 2012 #64

Don't get smarmy TeamsterDem Apr 2012 #66

I explained what made them different, but I also said that both were wrong CreekDog Apr 2012 #80

LOL. I didn't overlook anything. EFerrari Apr 2012 #108

You didn't overlook anything except the obvious part TeamsterDem Apr 2012 #109

i would argue, except that i think you made my point CreekDog Apr 2012 #71

Not in any version of reality, but ok. nt TeamsterDem Apr 2012 #83

I explain to you what I said 100 times and you are telling me what I really said? CreekDog Apr 2012 #84

In all seriousness, do you have a problem with reading comprehension? TeamsterDem Apr 2012 #87

Lol. Interesting coming from you, CD. Skip Intro Apr 2012 #145

Racism = prejudice + power KamaAina Apr 2012 #19

GMTA...i just post the exact same thing noiretextatique Apr 2012 #105

Don't try selling me that bulls**t meow2u3 Apr 2012 #23

Yeah, except your neighborhood would not have existed were it not for... joshcryer Apr 2012 #28

I don't know what OP you're responding to, because I don't approve of what happened to you CreekDog Apr 2012 #31

Gosh, I'm really sorry that happened Meow. You're right, hatred is hatred. Your life is priceless Ecumenist Apr 2012 #34

One can be the victim of a hate crime and also the beneficiary of institutional racism. Gormy Cuss Apr 2012 #37

You people are forgetting your grains of salt. Just saying. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #110

You people? Gormy Cuss Apr 2012 #121

Thanks for saying this. redqueen Apr 2012 #25

Soooo.... It all depends on who the target is, as to how atrocious it is. Gotcha. Zalatix Apr 2012 #32

Agree with you 100%. n/t DLevine Apr 2012 #35

prejudice against any individual is prejudicial. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #38

This white guy follows you ... I have 3 examples from my own life. JoePhilly Apr 2012 #39

thanks for that. CreekDog Apr 2012 #42

Yup ... makes sense to me. JoePhilly Apr 2012 #68

JoePhilly, my grandfather told me MANY stories of having to deal with "sun Down" laws, if you know Ecumenist Apr 2012 #69

my grandmother moved to Vero Beach, Florida in 1980 said older black men would step off the sidewalk CreekDog Apr 2012 #79

Yep. so true, CreekDog. So very true. Ecumenist Apr 2012 #88

k&r Starry Messenger Apr 2012 #41

I live in a world where what you've written is understood by people capable of rationale thought jp11 Apr 2012 #43

No kidding. n/t EFerrari Apr 2012 #62

"her health care needs were viewed differently because she was a woman" lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #49

how much healthcare did your dad require to have you born? CreekDog Apr 2012 #51

Is higher car insurance rates for young men "discrimination"? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #53

yes and illegal in my state CreekDog Apr 2012 #54

Then I hope you're happy to bear those extra costs. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #55

Am I really arguing with the guy offended that women live longer than men? CreekDog Apr 2012 #78

I dunno. Your words suggest that you're arguing with someone else. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #91

Then you support different prices for health ins based on race CreekDog Apr 2012 #122

Fuck any and ALL health care ratings eridani Apr 2012 #100

How do you feel that a DUer is advocating charging women more? CreekDog Apr 2012 #126

Unfortunately, plenty of DUers seem to be fine with age rating eridani Apr 2012 #133

"Huh? Are there people prejudiced against white guys?" Honestly, that was my gut reaction to the OP. Mister Ed Apr 2012 #56

Of course some people are prejudiced against you eridani Apr 2012 #101

K&R varelse Apr 2012 #60

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #70

"Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White" fishwax Apr 2012 #75

ridiculous, isn't it? noiretextatique Apr 2012 #107

totally ridiculous -- and apparently repeated fishwax Apr 2012 #115

Clever. Except I want the government to do more for whites than you want it to do. CreekDog Apr 2012 #77

I am a white male and I agree with the OP 100% Bjorn Against Apr 2012 #72

Yea. Zax2me Apr 2012 #73

some people seem to be responding rather angrily to things you're not really saying fishwax Apr 2012 #76

I don't know how anyone could disagree with you. Vattel Apr 2012 #82

that's a more concise way of saying the point that I was posting about CreekDog Apr 2012 #85

Precisely. What is so hard to recognize about the concept of oppression redqueen Apr 2012 #90

Prejudice doesn't come in degrees. It's wrong on the same level no matter which way it travels. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2012 #86

or calling him a 'white hispanic', a term i had never heard before bart95 Apr 2012 #93

prejudice may not be in degrees, but the amount of prejudice a person experiences does vary CreekDog Apr 2012 #131

So, how do we determine OccupyTheIRS Apr 2012 #92

I guess the OP will do that. Skip Intro Apr 2012 #96

good one! OccupyTheIRS Apr 2012 #97

i don't think it takes rocket science to say that blacks and minorities are at a disadvantage CreekDog Apr 2012 #103

Oh, I'm not doubting that discrimination occurs now, or has occurred, OccupyTheIRS Apr 2012 #112

Maybe it would be easier for people to get if we leave black and white out of it eridani Apr 2012 #98

that's a good example of the point i was trying to make CreekDog Apr 2012 #102

also, divisions between northern and southern italians noiretextatique Apr 2012 #106

Spot on madokie Apr 2012 #99

prejudice + power = institutional isms noiretextatique Apr 2012 #104

So, since black people are more likely to be murdered by another black person, OccupyTheIRS Apr 2012 #113

have you ever considered that... CreekDog Apr 2012 #118

It's not argument, it's debate. OccupyTheIRS Apr 2012 #120

Statistics... antigone382 Apr 2012 #123

When I read your diary I thought, "and rain is wet", then I started reading the replies... Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #116

doodoo noiretextatique Apr 2012 #119

Nonsense. Prejudice is Prejudice. Daniel537 Apr 2012 #137

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You A Special Little Snowflake, Fella, Ain'tcha? The Magistrate Jul 2014 #147