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52. Russian troops invaded Crimea before the referendums. And not everyone was happy about that.

Sun Jul 20, 2014, 11:18 PM

Jul 2014

For instance, the formerly well established but now marginalized Tatar population despised the move. Because the country was occupied by Russian troops, there's really no way of knowing the true social significance of the referendums.

Elections held under occupation are illegitimate. That isn't to say that the Crimean population wouldn't largely support being subsumed under the Russian Federation.

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Putin Should Be Ostricized From All Internantional Meetings.... [View all] global1 Jul 2014 OP

Like they should have done to the US in 2003? Autumn Jul 2014 #1

Russia has a security council seat and UN membership. How are you excluding them from that? Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #2

You stop all flyover rights for NATO member nations. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #4

what? Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #8

Putin could not get to the UN unless he can fly over Europe. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #11

There's almost certainly no way that's legal. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #9

You most certainly can. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #10

All flight plans must be approved by the country geek tragedy Jul 2014 #12

So we should violate our treaty obligations and push toward war Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #14

What treaty obligations? geek tragedy Jul 2014 #16

I believe it is a violation of UN convention to deny a member state access to the headquarters. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #18

They denied Yassir Arafat access. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #21

A. That we did it does not make it legal or ethical B. Russia is a permanent member of the UN. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #22

This is all speculation of course. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #23

Everything said on this board is, in essence, speculation. Yours just happens to be especially daft. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #24

I'm sure Evo Morales would agree that heads of state geek tragedy Jul 2014 #35

And I distinctly remember that being a particularly serious affair. But you seem confused... Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #38

The larger point being that if Putin is going to geek tragedy Jul 2014 #39

Say what? Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #26

There was a giant stink about it. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #34

In what special world do you exist that committing an illegal act justifies it? Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #40

The law on the US needing to allow whomever a foreign geek tragedy Jul 2014 #43

Comparing an Iranian diplomat to the President of Russia is so ridiculous it's obscene. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #44

Only because Iran is so marginalized and viewed as geek tragedy Jul 2014 #51

Well, no, because comparing a diplomat to a head of state is absurd. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #54

Your dishonesty in this discussion is on view. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #59

The old "liar liar pants on fire" rejoinder. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #60

Um, you said something untrue and then when called on it Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #61

either that, or you're just not able to follow the argument geek tragedy Jul 2014 #62

"They denied Yassir Arafat access." nt. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #63

they denied his visa request. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #64

Yassir Arafat did not represent a member state. former9thward Jul 2014 #32

That's not going to happen. morningfog Jul 2014 #53

Stop all landing rights at all airports in NATO member nations. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #3

I believe that is illegal. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #6

Nope, any nation can stop any landing rights in their territory. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #7

cuban aircraft fly to New York to transport UN diplomatic personnel. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #13

Right the only exception. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #15

No really they can't blocade diplomatic flights without breaking treaty obligations. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #17

As I've been reading, it appears countries negotiate treaties with other countries for air access. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #19

It's happened before. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #25

Except it would be a baseless threat and mean nothing. It would be difficult enough to enforce... Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #28

Which or What Behavior of Putin would you like to "modify?" KoKo Jul 2014 #29

His spport of separatists in Ukraine. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #37

Morons? You don't think these people have a cause that resonates with them? KoKo Jul 2014 #42

And, what would that accomplish? What do you want from Russia? KoKo Jul 2014 #47

I have yet to hear anyone offer a plan or an objective. morningfog Jul 2014 #57

That won't happen. morningfog Jul 2014 #56

Unless he ordered it shot down, I don't see him as responsible. arcane1 Jul 2014 #5

.. Malone Jul 2014 #48

Putin doesn't know shame. He responds to pressure by doubling down. randome Jul 2014 #20

Yep, sadly that's quite true. I've heard the Russian people like him, they see him as a RKP5637 Jul 2014 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author KoKo Jul 2014 #27

Putin RedFury Jul 2014 #31

I'm sorry, does invading and annexing part of a sovereign nation not count as imperialism to you? Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #33

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This message was self-deleted by its author KoKo Jul 2014 #46

He didn't invade Crimea...it's your "TP" thinking folks here don't read? KoKo Jul 2014 #49

Russian troops invaded Crimea before the referendums. And not everyone was happy about that. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #52

By invading his neighbor? You have an inverted geek tragedy Jul 2014 #36

So you say RedFury Jul 2014 #45

Bless your heart. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #50

So you say. Cha Jul 2014 #58

What does "back down" mean? morningfog Jul 2014 #55