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BumRushDaShow

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360. I have no problem with reasoned critique

Mon Jul 21, 2014, 11:42 AM

Jul 2014

Many of us feel the same way about some policy positions that have been offered - loss of 4th amendment rights, outsourcing, bankster loopholes not closed (including crap where a hedge fund manager was able to accept no salary but collected a "fee" (e.g, 10% of the value) for managing multi-billion dollar funds, and then only needed to pay 15% on that as a "capital gains" tax vs as wage income, etc).

But when you have someone report a "successful" policy that has been enacted (e.g., the demise of DADT and the soon-to-be demise of DOMA) that is part of the liberal agenda - in comes the brigade to not only refuse to acknowledge that breakthrough, but to denigrate the OP, hurl epithets, and proceede to blindly argue from a frame of reference that I refuse to accept - that all of the things they rail against that are bad policy, are "already approved and in place".... because they said so.

I don't have time for that type of other-worldly nonsense.

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Right-wing obstruction could have been fought: An ineffective and gutless presidency�s legacy [View all] XemaSab Jul 2014 OP

It's true he did quote FDR to the bankers about the pitchforks. His job was different from FDR's. craigmatic Jul 2014 #1

Obama did come in after the system had failed completely. zeemike Jul 2014 #12

+1 Octafish Jul 2014 #23

That's what I'm talking about. zeemike Jul 2014 #65

Civilian Conservation Corps did a world of good. Octafish Jul 2014 #187

And the irony is that if we would have spent that on new energy zeemike Jul 2014 #260

Yep. DeSwiss Jul 2014 #300

I never knew secondvariety Jul 2014 #107

The special inspector general for TARP said it and a whole lot more worth hearing. Octafish Jul 2014 #189

Not only did he say it, but actions speak louder than words. merrily Jul 2014 #204

Geithner said THAT?! Out Loud???!!! 2banon Jul 2014 #146

Don't feel bad. The hits just keep-a comin'! Octafish Jul 2014 #191

thanks Octofish.. you're so right, it just keeps a comin'.. sheesh. 2banon Jul 2014 #222

Re-posting that video. Thanks. L0oniX Jul 2014 #254

He sure did. Apparently, it was okay in 1930 to call a Depression what it was. merrily Jul 2014 #91

He actually said that? zeemike Jul 2014 #101

Paulson? Yes, he did. I watched him on three talking heads shows that Sunday. merrily Jul 2014 #112

PLUS ONE! Thank you, zeemike. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #94

Excellent post. woo me with science Jul 2014 #163

+1 leftstreet Jul 2014 #181

+1000! DeSwiss Jul 2014 #299

This is a reasonable argument of what happened BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #18

Bring charges against a President for signing a bill? Good luck with that. merrily Jul 2014 #88

Clinton set the environment and the results happened years later. craigmatic Jul 2014 #285

I challenged your claims about criminal charges against Clinton, though. merrily Jul 2014 #341

FDR adopted many of Hoover's policies. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #154

Which policies were those? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #230

Partial list. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #249

Thanks, very interesting MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #258

Excellent analysis by Frank- as usual. Thanks for posting it. cali Jul 2014 #2

K&R Except that "ineffective" and "gutless" are the wrong characterization of this presidency. woo me with science Jul 2014 #3

and "full of it" elehhhhna Jul 2014 #30

+100000000000 woo me with science Jul 2014 #108

Bingo. Calling someone ineffective requires an assumption about what that person merrily Jul 2014 #175

That's why I couldn't rec this. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #184

IMO, the choices were evident before Obama took office. merrily Jul 2014 #213

He's been very, very effective in making sure that Corporate America recovered Maedhros Jul 2014 #319

Yup. n/t progressoid Jul 2014 #343

This chart explains a lot: Maedhros Jul 2014 #365

Considering the shit pile he was left with... trumad Jul 2014 #4

I Could Not Disagree More With This Prevailing DU Sentiment - O Is An Appeaser For The 1% cantbeserious Jul 2014 #6

I always found Obama's support of the OWS movement a tad intellectually dishonest tymorial Jul 2014 #96

What support? Homeland Security was part of his administration. merrily Jul 2014 #178

I am not at all sure that it is the prevailing DU sentiment. merrily Jul 2014 #115

Let's say you are right, just for the sake of argument randys1 Jul 2014 #132

I Vote For Least Of The Offered Evils cantbeserious Jul 2014 #137

"Least." More than two options are offered. So, the correct word is merrily Jul 2014 #159

cool...it is like Dave Marsh said: randys1 Jul 2014 #161

Yep. PatrickforO Jul 2014 #326

please tell me what the TPP- and it is absoluteiy his, his fracking policies and cali Jul 2014 #7

Cali--- trumad Jul 2014 #37

c'mon, tru. Even assuming I "live in a Utopian world", my questions cali Jul 2014 #42

ah the give and take of the Presidential world. trumad Jul 2014 #92

You are still avoiding cali's question about the TPP... cui bono Jul 2014 #268

TPP? trumad Jul 2014 #283

You mean let's talk when it's too late. THIS is the time to stop it, 'when it is' enacted is way sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #313

I don't think you'll be open to an honest conversation about it, when it is. delrem Jul 2014 #314

Avoiding again... Why is Obama trying to get it, and get it secretly? The GOP isn't making him do it cui bono Jul 2014 #334

perhaps the lesson is for a president not to aim for a utopian world. mopinko Jul 2014 #51

I am stunned at what has happened over the last two terms of Obama. trumad Jul 2014 #100

you, me, and mopinko Jul 2014 #190

Given the opposition, I am surprised he has accomplished what he has. stevenleser Jul 2014 #216

It doesn't have to be either/or. Both party leaders failed us in these difficult times cui bono Jul 2014 #269

It's either or. Country had a massive crisis, only one side tried to fix it. That's either or. nt stevenleser Jul 2014 #273

Would that it were so black and white. But I see now why you don't think Obama should ever cui bono Jul 2014 #335

Except that the choice was never between perfection (or a pony) and what Obama delivered. merrily Jul 2014 #124

Oh horse fucking shit. trumad Jul 2014 #131

"Horse fucking shit" is a good comment on your total mischaracterization merrily Jul 2014 #147

"So-called "pragmatic progressives" trumad Jul 2014 #192

I said you mischaracterized my post. Did again, too. merrily Jul 2014 #196

OK... trumad Jul 2014 #200

That seems to me like an authentic invitation to discuss. merrily Jul 2014 #218

Well then your version of pragmatic is different that mine trumad Jul 2014 #221

No, you did not ask me if pragmatism were a good thing. merrily Jul 2014 #224

merrily, these people didn't say *anything* substantive. delrem Jul 2014 #315

I don't necessarily disagree, but shouldn't you be telling them? merrily Jul 2014 #342

Excellent points.. 2banon Jul 2014 #153

Thank you. merrily Jul 2014 #155

Hear, hear! woo me with science Jul 2014 #166

The goal isn't perfection -- It's more a matter of not undermining goals Armstead Jul 2014 #244

The TPP is a policy objective. Not an incidental flaw in an imperfect world. pa28 Jul 2014 #252

The TPP is entirely Obama, and it will be entirely HRC if she's elected. delrem Jul 2014 #316

By taking the first obvious steps in that direction. JEB Jul 2014 #290

Cali is not asking for "perfection." Maedhros Jul 2014 #322

There is no TPP that has been enacted. BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #50

Bingo. trumad Jul 2014 #103

In one respect, such a worldview BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #114

I think it's easy to preach from the keyboard. trumad Jul 2014 #123

Exactly BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #133

"nor did the Bush tax cuts remain in place" hfojvt Jul 2014 #135

Here we go again BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #152

sure they were hfojvt Jul 2014 #177

So you cite a report by a lobbying group that enabled Raygun's tax policy BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #180

you wanna talk about loopholes hfojvt Jul 2014 #185

I am not defending ANY loophole BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #209

Obama sought a better deal creeksneakers2 Jul 2014 #264

TPP will be in place. As for Energy Alternatives... Armstead Jul 2014 #246

"TPP will be in place" BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #250

One reason those didn't happen is because people complained Armstead Jul 2014 #333

Um, okay BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #338

It works bith ways. Over the years.... Armstead Jul 2014 #355

I have no problem with reasoned critique BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #360

That's a fair point Armstead Jul 2014 #368

I would add, completely worthless democrats in congress Cosmocat Jul 2014 #62

Here's what I think about Obama.. trumad Jul 2014 #109

SPOT ON Cosmocat Jul 2014 #195

+1 freshwest Jul 2014 #275

but the idea that he wishes for a utopian world is a rw meme and it's playing out certainot Jul 2014 #323

That is what gets my hackles up here Cosmocat Jul 2014 #340

vote, blog, whine- that's the policy for too many on the left certainot Jul 2014 #318

Have you forgotten where you are? nt redqueen Jul 2014 #119

agreed steve2470 Jul 2014 #259

Seems Fitting - "fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again" - GWB cantbeserious Jul 2014 #5

Kick & Rec Teamster Jeff Jul 2014 #8

An ineffective and gutless OP. randome Jul 2014 #9

Your Opinion Only - Others Would Disagree cantbeserious Jul 2014 #10

elaborate. Use of language is certainly not poor or unimaginative. cali Jul 2014 #14

'Ineffective and gutless' is overarching hyperbole, not nuanced analysis. randome Jul 2014 #19

you may believe you offered more of the same but you forgot to actually cali Jul 2014 #26

Sure, if you conveniently ignore woo me with science Jul 2014 #111

There's no content there. randome Jul 2014 #136

The saddest Third Way tactic of all: feigned inability to process a clearly written argument woo me with science Jul 2014 #149

You were the one who said there was content in the OP. randome Jul 2014 #203

Maybe its hard to identify a point that hasn't been made. LiberalLovinLug Jul 2014 #308

There. Is. No. Content. randome Jul 2014 #348

You.Just.Refuse.To.See.Any LiberalLovinLug Jul 2014 #353

+++ LiberalLovinLug Jul 2014 #307

+1,000,000,000,000 MohRokTah Jul 2014 #20

Your Opinion Only - Others Would Disagree cantbeserious Jul 2014 #25

Others would be wrong. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #28

Your Opinion Only - Others Would Disagree cantbeserious Jul 2014 #31

I know I am but what are you? eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #36

NonSensical Post cantbeserious Jul 2014 #41

How does one become a NonSensical Post? eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #45

By Asking Questions That Make No Sense cantbeserious Jul 2014 #48

Give me some examples MohRokTah Jul 2014 #49

Yours Is The NonSensical Post - See Link Below cantbeserious Jul 2014 #53

I know I am, but what are you? MohRokTah Jul 2014 #66

You Are What? cantbeserious Jul 2014 #67

Asking what you are. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #72

What I Am Is Irrelevant To The OP cantbeserious Jul 2014 #74

I could see how being a NonSensical Post would be irrelevant to the OP. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #78

Yours Was The NonSensical Post And Irrelevant To The OP cantbeserious Jul 2014 #99

You are the NonSensical Post And Irrelevant To The OP MohRokTah Jul 2014 #104

My Response Was To Your NonSensical Post - Review The Record cantbeserious Jul 2014 #106

You responded to my question by claiming to be a NonSensical Post - Review The Record MohRokTah Jul 2014 #120

I Responded To Your Question As Being NonSensical - Review The Record cantbeserious Jul 2014 #128

My Question, "what are you?" MohRokTah Jul 2014 #129

Your Question NonSensical - Review The Record cantbeserious Jul 2014 #233

You claimed to be a NonSensical Post - Review the Record. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #238

Your Assertion - Claim Made That Your Posts Are NonSensical cantbeserious Jul 2014 #239

Me: "what are you?" You: "NonSensical Post" MohRokTah Jul 2014 #240

You - NonSensical Post - Great That You Finally Agree cantbeserious Jul 2014 #247

What a childish subthread. NealK Jul 2014 #295

Great attempt to disrupt the discussion. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2014 #251

Others have already figured this person out... L0oniX Jul 2014 #165

Thanks For The Confirmation And Insight cantbeserious Jul 2014 #234

Nonsense, but your empty, defensive, namecalling response is predictable. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #22

The enemy is easier to see these days. L0oniX Jul 2014 #160

You will never be my enemy even if you want to believe I'm yours. randome Jul 2014 #205

You're a better person than I am. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #242

They are more desperate than ever. Rex Jul 2014 #255

Agreed. I'm giving you a thumbs up, then hiding this stupidity alcibiades_mystery Jul 2014 #34

all on here damning Obama heaven05 Jul 2014 #11

Your defense is a damnation. You claim the office is inherently corrupt and obviously so, comically Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #27

it's the top prize heaven05 Jul 2014 #83

There will be laughing at your capitulation to the over lords.... L0oniX Jul 2014 #174

oh no!!!!! heaven05 Jul 2014 #236

Please! Botany Jul 2014 #13

What in the article do you disagree with? Specifically. cali Jul 2014 #15

Only read the headline and the posted part and it struck me as a "hit piece" that isn't based .... Botany Jul 2014 #208

He reviews himself and finds that he's written sheer poetry. What a guy! randome Jul 2014 #210

For the bankers. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #16

Yes, the banksters did not get hit like they should have been but do you want to go back to .... Botany Jul 2014 #207

It was a *restructuring,* not a recovery. woo me with science Jul 2014 #212

^^^this^^^ progressoid Jul 2014 #346

This excerpt here ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #17

Has One Ever Heard Of The Power Of No - Very Effective Tool And Technique cantbeserious Jul 2014 #29

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #35

Your Experience And Opinion - Standing Ones Ground Is Very Effective cantbeserious Jul 2014 #44

Maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #58

Sometimes You Have To Walk Away From Those Unwilling To Participate cantbeserious Jul 2014 #61

So explain how a President "walks away" eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #68

By Saying No - Very Simple In Practice And Reality cantbeserious Jul 2014 #77

Okay. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #80

Indeed. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #127

Exactly. Why is that so hard for some to understand? nt Rex Jul 2014 #256

Excellent point! randome Jul 2014 #63

what he should of done was easy questionseverything Jul 2014 #167

I doubt the job of President is 'easy' in any sense of the word. randome Jul 2014 #176

+ 1,000 cantbeserious Jul 2014 #257

That's my problem with the piece too. State how unhinged and insane the opposition is Number23 Jul 2014 #281

Which is why ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #284

People like the author like to downplay or ignore the unhinged opposition steve2470 Jul 2014 #293

Another guy who has never won a single election geek tragedy Jul 2014 #21

Have you won any elections, passed any ordanances? If not, why do you speak your opinions? Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #32

There is a difference between criticizing geek tragedy Jul 2014 #43

Do you take Sarah Palin's pronouncements seriously? merrily Jul 2014 #183

How seriously do Republicans who want to geek tragedy Jul 2014 #193

I don't know, but I asked about you, not Republicans. merrily Jul 2014 #194

If I were interested in getting elected mayor geek tragedy Jul 2014 #197

But that's different. merrily Jul 2014 #201

Disagreement on policy is one thing. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #206

Again, I am not debating the OP article or its author with you. merrily Jul 2014 #211

My criteria for listening to people who make geek tragedy Jul 2014 #215

Again, my comment has nothing to do with Frank, but never mind. merrily Jul 2014 #217

+1 freshwest Jul 2014 #276

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #24

Good God, the hate streaming off you. 'Stick your head in an oven' is how you respond to political Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #33

Thomas Franks should go "stick his head in an oven". doesn't get SICKER than that. cali Jul 2014 #38

And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #55

His post was hidden so he can't respond... freshwest Jul 2014 #278

I'm talking about Thomas ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #282

Well, so was Jeff talking about Thomas, not the DU thread writer. If he had, the hide would be good. freshwest Jul 2014 #289

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #292

It was a stupid HIDE... DU jury protecting Thomas Frank at Salon.. how touching. Cha Jul 2014 #327

Fuckin' A, Bro! Preach it! Ferretherder Jul 2014 #56

I can't believe Jeff In Milwaukee's post got hidden by a "Jury" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #64

I agree. countingbluecars Jul 2014 #70

Not silly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #79

I think a person is not allowed to be a of a comment in a thread Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #173

I've wondered about that. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #186

It's too bad when someone goes to the trouble of writing a long post, Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #81

Read it again ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #95

Ah, I see that now. My bad. Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #97

You are much too generous ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #117

That's happened at least once before to a DUer.. oh yeah it was me.. I called Scalia Cha Jul 2014 #329

You won that one because ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #349

"Maybe"? /nt Marr Jul 2014 #150

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #157

+1 Cosmocat Jul 2014 #73

Thank you, Ferretherder! Jeff's post was Excellent and the DU jury HID it because why?.. Protecting Cha Jul 2014 #328

Thanks, Cha. I don't get the 'hide', either. Ferretherder Jul 2014 #337

K & R - We had his back - millions would have gone into the streets bread_and_roses Jul 2014 #39

You like how they turned out in 2010 after he went all-in on the ACA? Adrahil Jul 2014 #172

Delusional? Do you recall the campaign and the inauguration? bread_and_roses Jul 2014 #248

The above tripe is proof we have those on the left as deluded as those on the right mikekohr Jul 2014 #40

You do realize who wrote that piece, right? cali Jul 2014 #46

Whoosh. Octafish Jul 2014 #199

I was not refering to Mr. Frank mikekohr Jul 2014 #306

Very deep, er, derp. truebluegreen Jul 2014 #54

Salon gives every bitter voice in America a soapbox. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #84

An Anonymous quote (not Anonymous�) agrees with you: freshwest Jul 2014 #280

Damn! randome Jul 2014 #87

Oh, please. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #110

That is a very good post supporting those he's helped. Thanks. freshwest Jul 2014 #279

Ah, the contrarian rag rears its ugly head once again. nt conservaphobe Jul 2014 #47

From a progressive perspective Obama screwed up right from the gitgo tularetom Jul 2014 #52

how qazplm Jul 2014 #90

By not doing this: woo me with science Jul 2014 #125

Don't forget this. Part one and two below... L0oniX Jul 2014 #164

Actual policies?! woo me with science Jul 2014 #363

The only way to fight the right wing is get them out of office treestar Jul 2014 #57

Yup, and that includes Third Way Republicans in Democrat suits. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #143

535 tio 1 Cosmocat Jul 2014 #59

I wish those reacting reflexively to this article could grasp the greater gist of it. cali Jul 2014 #60

Absolute, fantastical bullshit Cosmocat Jul 2014 #69

We most certainly do not know that. Obviously that is unknowable. We can make cali Jul 2014 #75

Get snarky and dismissive Cosmocat Jul 2014 #198

Amen! nt countingbluecars Jul 2014 #76

What utter fantasy, that obstructionism is the problem, woo me with science Jul 2014 #105

+1000 JoePhilly Jul 2014 #140

That's actually not true. By wide margins in every measure, Democrats OVERWHELMINGLY support Number23 Jul 2014 #286

Thanks Cosmocat Jul 2014 #339

Nah, the swarm is merely a sign that the OP hits home woo me with science Jul 2014 #98

Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #126

I like Combustible Hair Club. JoePhilly Jul 2014 #141

And, then ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #144

Predictable avoidance of policies in favor of sliming DUers. That's how the propaganda rolls. woo me with science Jul 2014 #148

Ah, the evil "They". JoePhilly Jul 2014 #202

All you ever do is slime DUers. joshcryer Jul 2014 #262

Oh, Josh, this is such a silly post. woo me with science Jul 2014 #265

We're a capitalist society. "Corporate policy choices" are normal. joshcryer Jul 2014 #270

Yeah, that seems to be the new talking point. I've seen it several times since yesterday. woo me with science Jul 2014 #277

See what I mean about making it personal? joshcryer Jul 2014 #287

That's quite an indictment of the Third Way. woo me with science Jul 2014 #357

And you do it again. joshcryer Jul 2014 #364

Nailed it, Josh Number23 Jul 2014 #291

K&R Jeff in Milwaukees hidden post! Cosmocat Jul 2014 #71

so you endorse the sentiment "should stick his head in an oven" cali Jul 2014 #102

Perhaps he agrees with the other 50 lines of commentary that also got hidden? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #130

Franks talks out of both sides of his mouth. JoePhilly Jul 2014 #82

+1 Jamaal510 Jul 2014 #223

Frank pretty much nailed it stupidicus Jul 2014 #85

"I would disagree however, with the gutless and ineffective description unless it is qualified with woo me with science Jul 2014 #116

you know it woo stupidicus Jul 2014 #179

Obama tried big steps on climate change creeksneakers2 Jul 2014 #271

I am of course aware of all of that stupidicus Jul 2014 #356

The perfect example of the weakness of Obama is how he tried for months to get the... EEO Jul 2014 #86

It's almost as if the ACA was conceived and implemented as a purely political football Maedhros Jul 2014 #324

Since President Obama's reelection, the top rate of income tax on the rich has increased by 4.6%. Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #89

And if you try to use 4.6 percent to portray *this* presidency as a liberal effort, woo me with science Jul 2014 #121

But ... But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #138

I disagree with the headline and the message it sends. uwep Jul 2014 #93

LOL...And the influx continues... woo me with science Jul 2014 #113

Influx? creeksneakers2 Jul 2014 #272

You know, Bobbie Jo Jul 2014 #344

I'm glad someone is willing to break from the "consensus" of Dems to NC_Nurse Jul 2014 #118

Amen. woo me with science Jul 2014 #122

Good way of putting it.. 2banon Jul 2014 #182

...^ that 840high Jul 2014 #303

And the 2000 election dispute could have been fairly settled also Zambero Jul 2014 #134

The thing that drives me crazy about the complaining from the right AND catbyte Jul 2014 #304

Throughout all of the obstruction Obama and way too many Dems continued and continue to stillwaiting Jul 2014 #139

Every single time the Republican Party scandalizes itself into the potential dustbin of history, woo me with science Jul 2014 #156

Yes, for the love of Buddha, yes. It's THE big con. Why don't more see it? stillwaiting Jul 2014 #169

...or propping up the 2 party system. L0oniX Jul 2014 #171

"The con game has just about run its course." INDEED! K & R L0oniX Jul 2014 #170

Nailed it. XemaSab Jul 2014 #243

To be fair, Obama faced a different situation than Reagan did annominous Jul 2014 #142

I don't agree that President Obama or his presidency have been "gutless" Erda Jul 2014 #145

Ooooh, the racism card. woo me with science Jul 2014 #151

It's like the crane kick in the Karate Kid, Daniel-san. "If do right, no can defense." merrily Jul 2014 #162

I hope this Museum of Fail d_b Jul 2014 #158

The best thing that happened polynomial Jul 2014 #168

Interesting points and perspectives 2banon Jul 2014 #188

Just a silly question here: sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #214

This may be an apt analogy: Maedhros Jul 2014 #325

Yep :/ n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2014 #219

I looked for Frank's solutions in this article, concrete solutions, I really did bigtree Jul 2014 #220

I kept waiting for Franks to explain how shaming the GOP would work when ... JoePhilly Jul 2014 #226

republican obstruction has been unprecedented bigtree Jul 2014 #231

LMAO, yes, like the GOP would have cared about 'shaming'. This is magical thinking. stevenleser Jul 2014 #274

They (GOP) don't seem too impressed JEB Jul 2014 #296

First, your framing is incorrect. But lets assume it isnt for a moment. They dont care what we do. stevenleser Jul 2014 #301

Standing up for working people and our environment is the way JEB Jul 2014 #305

Very good analysis with excellent source material, although I disagree with the following BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #241

I don't think we disagree about the process of enacting legislation bigtree Jul 2014 #245

I agree that calling their bluff BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #253

+1, Republican meme = Obama is a dictator, the OP communications nothing different other than uponit7771 Jul 2014 #266

re-reading it bigtree Jul 2014 #267

This is another big reason Jamaal510 Jul 2014 #225

Professor Paul Krugman gives the President an A-; says he's the most consequential since... Hekate Jul 2014 #227

I see the apologists are in overdrive on this thread. Maven Jul 2014 #228

I see that critics of Obama are no more inclined to respond to those defenses with facts bigtree Jul 2014 #232

Yeah, but "the truth hurts".. Cha Jul 2014 #331

What truth? From Thomas Frank, Really? I'll take Paul Krugman's assessment of President Cha Jul 2014 #330

Nice to see you giving Krugman another chance! QC Jul 2014 #351

lol questionseverything Jul 2014 #359

ROFL Maven Jul 2014 #362

So? I call him out when I want to.. Nice to See Krugman's has come around to my way of thinking. Cha Jul 2014 #366

I hate the title libodem Jul 2014 #229

the teevee gnewz are still sniffing newt + reagan's ass. pansypoo53219 Jul 2014 #235

LOL I said this in 1 paragraph yesterday. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jul 2014 #237

Yeah that one weakness every WH has had since Reagan was in office. Rex Jul 2014 #261

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #263

The biggest waste of a presidency in history, most likely Doctor_J Jul 2014 #288

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #321

Really Don't Know - Sometimes You Do What You Want LarryNM Jul 2014 #294

K&R NealK Jul 2014 #297

What a time it has been...So Much Hope for Change after Bush Years KoKo Jul 2014 #298

Yes, I feel the same way about Bill Clinton's administration. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #302

I don't agree with everything the president has done... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #309

When did DU turn into an ANTI-Obama site? krawhitham Jul 2014 #310

It's just the usual haters taking the opportunity to drop Cha Jul 2014 #332

January, 2009. nt Bobbie Jo Jul 2014 #345

They were always here they're are just more anti Obama on the weekened uponit7771 Jul 2014 #352

What a crock! Major Hogwash Jul 2014 #311

Rick Perry barks, the president jumps, and nearly $4 billion dollars fell out of his pocket whereisjustice Jul 2014 #312

... SammyWinstonJack Jul 2014 #320

your sister's a whore, your brother's a thief, and your ideas are treasonous (SAYS RW RADIO) certainot Jul 2014 #317

Yes, Duers are whinny twits, dumbass trolls & idiots progressoid Jul 2014 #350

Back on topic. AIRSTONED Jul 2014 #336

"If you control the message you control the people" BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #347

I know it's easy for me to be a armchair quarterback, but If I where the POTUS. AIRSTONED Jul 2014 #354

"If I where the POTUS, I would give a weekly television address." BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #358

Agreed ..... AIRSTONED Jul 2014 #361

kick woo me with science Jul 2014 #367

let this tripe fall bigtree Jul 2014 #369