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(296,560 posts) Tue Jul 22, 2014, 07:56 AM Jul 2014

A hospital was shelled, killing and injuring staff and patients-defend this too [View all]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/21/gaza-hospital-shelling-air-strike-israel-idf
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A hospital was shelled, killing and injuring staff and patients, and up to 28 members of one family died in an air strike as Gaza endured another day of relentless bloodshed on Monday.

As heavy shelling and fighting on the ground continued, John Kerry, the US secretary of state, arrived in Egypt to seek a ceasefire that Barack Obama declared was needed immediately: "We don't want to see any more civilians killed," the US president said.

Kerry pledged that the US would provide $47m (£28m) in humanitarian aid to help Palestinians. He said: "Only Hamas now needs to make the decision to spare innocent civilians from this violence."

Israel was undertaking an "appropriate and legitimate effort" to defend itself but the consequences were of deep concern, Kerry said.

In Deir al-Balah in central Gaza, al-Aqsa hospital became the third to be struck in the 14-day conflict when three shells slammed into the intensive care unit, surgical and administrative areas. Five people were killed and 70 wounded, including about 30 medics, according to Gaza health officials. Ambulances tried to evacuate patients but were forced to turn back by continued shelling. Israel has claimed that Hamas hides weapons in hospitals.

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A hospital was shelled, killing and injuring staff and patients-defend this too [View all] malaise Jul 2014 OP

In the Lebanon War in the early 1980's cpwm17 Jul 2014 #1

not to mention that by killing off the medical staff they can prevent magical thyme Jul 2014 #7

I call bullshit hack89 Jul 2014 #10

Here ya go... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #13

His mind is made up, he doesn't want to be bothered by inconvenient facts. hobbit709 Jul 2014 #17

Figures... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #18

You could post 20 links and it wouldn't make a difference to some here. I remember when Arafat kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #104

I remember the news at the time cpwm17 Jul 2014 #141

And the suicide bombings in buses and restaurants did not also turn you against Hamas? hack89 Jul 2014 #142

What a hypocrite cpwm17 Jul 2014 #170

So suicide bombings are a legitimate form of self defense? hack89 Jul 2014 #173

where did you go? snooper2 Jul 2014 #172

Right here. Nt hack89 Jul 2014 #174

I looked again and you are gone! snooper2 Jul 2014 #178

Off to hockey hack89 Jul 2014 #179

It's an outrage. That we blindly support the state of Israel while they bleet KittyWampus Jul 2014 #2

+1000 LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #24

k and r dembotoz Jul 2014 #3

Israel is a terrorist country. Madmiddle Jul 2014 #4

$$$ n2doc Jul 2014 #6

Seems like, if they hide weapons there, the thing to do is to look first n2doc Jul 2014 #5

good point. nt magical thyme Jul 2014 #8

Presumably they did look there first and found them. That's why they bombed riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #14

If they had found weapons, why not destroy them then? n2doc Jul 2014 #16

Agreed 100%. riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #20

This ^^^ riqster Jul 2014 #21

HA! If that were a law, we would NEVER have wars again! Rex Jul 2014 #137

That would be the intent of the law. riqster Jul 2014 #169

Maybe they got the intel wrong? KansDem Jul 2014 #27

Yea, that's the line from Yahoo liberalmike27 Jul 2014 #22

So weird I internalized that message. I don't even read Yahoo.... riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #26

you forgot our "moral obligation" to Israel magical thyme Jul 2014 #133

Do you think Hamas will let the IDF drive around Gaza looking for bunkers? hack89 Jul 2014 #99

Did I say that? n2doc Jul 2014 #123

What if they see the weapons cache but no one fires at them? hack89 Jul 2014 #126

Sure, after evacuating all civilians who will leave. n2doc Jul 2014 #129

Neither, unfortunately, does Hamas hack89 Jul 2014 #130

The logic of the outlaw gratuitous Jul 2014 #9

How about Hamas quits operating adjacent to hospitals? Indydem Jul 2014 #11

How about Israel treated the initial kidnapping as a crime Skidmore Jul 2014 #12

This has nothing to DO with the kidnappings! Indydem Jul 2014 #15

Let me remind you that the kidnapping of those three teenagers was Skidmore Jul 2014 #19

But the Israelis let the Palestinians raid Likud offices, arrest hundreds of Likud members, Chathamization Jul 2014 #47

Speaking of bullshit.... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #25

Sets up a straw man, knocks it down and then becomes outraged.....it is a common response to a good Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #30

And, on the other side, I'm sure the argument is: mountain grammy Jul 2014 #29

Correction, destruction of Palestine, not just the few members of the Hamas militia/rebels. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #33

Has Israel EVER declared that they want to destroy "Palestine?" Indydem Jul 2014 #36

Where would "Palestine" be? Martin Eden Jul 2014 #39

Here you go: mountain grammy Jul 2014 #43

Not the answer I was looking for. Martin Eden Jul 2014 #81

Why can there not be a sovereign Palestine along their current borders? Indydem Jul 2014 #89

Because there are no current borders Martin Eden Jul 2014 #96

The West bank isn't an issue. Indydem Jul 2014 #103

You're kidding, right? Martin Eden Jul 2014 #117

Google Lieberman and a handful of other elected israelis ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2014 #115

Israel needs the land MFM008 Jul 2014 #175

agree.. mountain grammy Jul 2014 #41

Some kids throw rocks at an adult wearing a helmet. The rocks bounce off, adult picks up boulder Pisces Jul 2014 #45

So the "Palestinians" are children? Indydem Jul 2014 #49

Sorry, which side are the barbarians again? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #56

So, wise one. Indydem Jul 2014 #57

Swat teams. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #60

So if Israel put boots on the ground Indydem Jul 2014 #61

Hell no. You just completely got me wrong. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #63

So who would they apply to for these warrants? Indydem Jul 2014 #65

For the moment? To your own court system. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #102

This is why I gave the silliest, most simplistic analogy. You are arguing with a post who does not Pisces Jul 2014 #77

The Israeli police don't operate in Gaza hack89 Jul 2014 #105

Do you think Israel cares much about what Hamas 'would allow'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #119

Nonsense. Hamas would capture or slaughter the first team of police that tried hack89 Jul 2014 #125

Whatever. You simply won't even try to envision any Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #127

So Hamas will let Israel police traipse around Gaza with impunity? Ok nt hack89 Jul 2014 #128

You are the child who needs a childs analogy to understand. Hamas may be capable of more, but Pisces Jul 2014 #79

WHY ARE CHILDREN BEING USED AS SHIELDS?? Indydem Jul 2014 #84

Keep trying to convince yourself of that. Pisces Jul 2014 #93

'Civilians were warned ahead of time' Hugabear Jul 2014 #95

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with Gaza Indydem Jul 2014 #98

OH PLEASE Hugabear Jul 2014 #108

It is no less ludicrous than saying "swim for it" Indydem Jul 2014 #111

You do realize that Jon Stewart was using a ridiculous example to make his point Hugabear Jul 2014 #114

Excuses. Indydem Jul 2014 #118

Pathetic Hugabear Jul 2014 #121

Precisely. We really should do something about all these DUers approving of Hamas Indydem Jul 2014 #124

They exist only in your hate-filled imagination. morningfog Jul 2014 #149

Then what is Israel supposed to do? Indydem Jul 2014 #155

First, agree to a cease-fucking-fire. Easy first step. morningfog Jul 2014 #159

How does one negotiate with Hamas? Indydem Jul 2014 #162

Now you are just being obtuse. morningfog Jul 2014 #147

Is that so? Indydem Jul 2014 #151

You have no idea what conditions anyone is living in, morningfog Jul 2014 #156

So they are chained to the walls? Indydem Jul 2014 #160

Excuses? morningfog Jul 2014 #163

I don't hate anyone. Indydem Jul 2014 #165

Yeah, your posts contradict that. morningfog Jul 2014 #167

You need to educate yourself as to what a war crime is. Indydem Jul 2014 #168

I've told you several times that Israel is targeting civilians. morningfog Jul 2014 #171

no there isnt MFM008 Jul 2014 #176

why the fuck do you continue to refer to them as "Palestinians?" frylock Jul 2014 #135

Where is the nation of "Palestine?" Indydem Jul 2014 #136

where is the nation of "California?" frylock Jul 2014 #138

California is a state. "Palestine" isn't a state either. Indydem Jul 2014 #140

You think barbaric acts perpetuated on Israeli citizens is perfectly OK because they are Jews. frylock Jul 2014 #143

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #144

again, you have links of my posts supporting hamas? frylock Jul 2014 #145

I support Israel. Indydem Jul 2014 #148

nah, i just have a thing against disproportionate retaliation.. frylock Jul 2014 #150

What is proportionate response to 1700 rockets? Indydem Jul 2014 #153

seems you care an awful lot about the amount of rockets fired.. frylock Jul 2014 #157

An unconfirmed body count. Indydem Jul 2014 #166

This may come as a shock to you, but it is possible to condemn both Israel and Hamas. morningfog Jul 2014 #152

Why are they suffering? Indydem Jul 2014 #158

Israel has them trapped in an open air ghetto. morningfog Jul 2014 #161

An Open Air Ghetto??? Indydem Jul 2014 #164

Israel's rationalization for bombing hospitals. earthside Jul 2014 #31

I suggest you hop on Google maps and educate yourself. Indydem Jul 2014 #35

Odd how all the foreign journalists there haven't yet seen any of the caches proReality Jul 2014 #42

So where do you think Hamas hides their weapons? hack89 Jul 2014 #107

'Rationalization' earthside Jul 2014 #46

Why should they go back to the 1948 boundaries? Indydem Jul 2014 #52

Because the world doesn't recognize the taking of land by force by victorious Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #62

Might want to tell that to Crimea. Indydem Jul 2014 #64

Chechnya was an independent country? Hugabear Jul 2014 #74

De Facto independence Indydem Jul 2014 #76

Agreed, after 1700 rockets fired at them since July 8th, enough is enough E-Z-B Jul 2014 #50

"Lawful combat?" There is nothing lawful about either side's war here. morningfog Jul 2014 #58

Setting up shop next to a hospital to shoot rockets Indydem Jul 2014 #59

Israel bombing unarmed civilians is also cowardly and illegal. morningfog Jul 2014 #66

Are they bombing civilians on purpose? Indydem Jul 2014 #67

They are most certainly bombing civilians on purpose. morningfog Jul 2014 #68

Really? Indydem Jul 2014 #70

Both sides use the deaths of civilians to advance their position. morningfog Jul 2014 #72

So you are saying that Israel likes to kill civilians? Indydem Jul 2014 #73

Yes, Israel intentionally kills Palestinians. morningfog Jul 2014 #78

Ok, Sure. Indydem Jul 2014 #80

Those are all your words. morningfog Jul 2014 #82

Because Palestine is a fiction. Indydem Jul 2014 #86

It's just a mental illness, right? Let that hate out. morningfog Jul 2014 #88

Tell me all about the history of the nation that is Palestine. Indydem Jul 2014 #91

Let it out! We're all friends, here. morningfog Jul 2014 #100

I see all of your posts has no shred of compassion for the innocents who have died in this terrible Pisces Jul 2014 #90

Why do you think the flights are being cancelled? Indydem Jul 2014 #92

Israel is falling into a P.R. nightmare. They should cease bombing immediately. The longer they Pisces Jul 2014 #101

As soon as Hamas quits firing rockets and stops trying to kill people. Indydem Jul 2014 #106

No, they need to stop regardless of what Hamas does. Pisces Jul 2014 #109

Why? Would you tolerate your neighbor randomly shooting at your house? Indydem Jul 2014 #112

I wouldn't kill their children for it, especially if I had a forcefield around my house with made Pisces Jul 2014 #116

Neat forcefield. Indydem Jul 2014 #120

Actually it is the bombing that is criminal and illegal n/t malaise Jul 2014 #154

"Gaza is one of the mostly densely populated places in the world." EX500rider Jul 2014 #69

Sixth on the list is "one of the most densely populated." morningfog Jul 2014 #71

I agree, this is exactly what Hamas wants to happen. Shameful cowards hiding behind the defenseless. frankieallen Jul 2014 #37

So many new hard-line Zionist posters. I wonder why that is. Could it be: Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #48

Oh, come on! E-Z-B Jul 2014 #53

It reminds me of the people that Aerows Jul 2014 #132

DUers are doing the work of eradicating Israel? For fucks sake. morningfog Jul 2014 #54

Both sides have blood on their hands. Israel should have kept their word about the West Bank Dustlawyer Jul 2014 #23

The state of Israel wants a milita force to play nice? The media has indeed turned on Israel, Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #28

Israel is nearing a tipping point. Without media support, morningfog Jul 2014 #85

I haven't defended Israel in a long time and will not start now. stevenleser Jul 2014 #32

Are DUers defending this? I certainly am not. Coventina Jul 2014 #34

*Some* are. In this thread, even. morningfog Jul 2014 #55

It's no surprise to see which ones are defending this Hugabear Jul 2014 #83

Who would have thunk that a NRA member would be pro-Israel, anti-Palestinian? morningfog Jul 2014 #87

"US would provide $47m in humanitarian aid to help Palestinians." Martin Eden Jul 2014 #38

Are you pretending that the Arabs haven't targeted Israeli hospitals and ambulances? Shoonra Jul 2014 #40

It really pains me to have to choose one side or the other in this aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #44

"...with well over twice the overall population density of New York City." EX500rider Jul 2014 #75

I guess I had it backwards aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #134

Well, you know, if a terrorist took a bunch of kids hostage Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #51

I am saddened by the amount of DUers defending he slaughter of civilians Marrah_G Jul 2014 #94

No shit Hugabear Jul 2014 #110

New Headline: People Drawn to Gaza Hospital, and Into Center of Mideast Strife DesMoinesDem Jul 2014 #97

that's the memo nt G_j Jul 2014 #113

I'm willing to overlook some civilian casualties... Lancero Jul 2014 #122

I agree with you. Israel is out to genocide the gaza strip by getting rid of the palestinians. akbacchus_BC Jul 2014 #181

And Gaza is blocked so the wounded flamingdem Jul 2014 #131

Israel is shooting fish in a barrel...and blaming the fish. cry baby Jul 2014 #139

Both sides are wrong. Violence breeds more violence and the cycle continues. Avalux Jul 2014 #146

AGREED Skittles Jul 2014 #182

Sure, Mr. Veep: Israel always takes only appropriate and legitimate effort in the eyes of so many, indepat Jul 2014 #177

that side did this, this side did that Skittles Jul 2014 #180