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29. TPTB will agree that it "was" whatever it needs to be to produce agreed-upon results: peace or war.

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If we all agree that the shootdown of MH 17 was a mistake [View all] Max power Jul 2014 OP

We all agree? Iggo Jul 2014 #1

It looks like Max power Jul 2014 #3

Why does it look to you like they shot it down by mistake? Iggo Jul 2014 #15

"rebel force", you mean the pro Rus-Si-A terrorists right? snooper2 Jul 2014 #25

The outrage is warranted. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #2

Didn't we forfeit our moral high ground Max power Jul 2014 #6

No. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #12

No, and I didn't do any of those things. Throd Jul 2014 #20

Not to anyone who believed we should not have armed Hussein... LanternWaste Jul 2014 #44

I didn't support any of those scenarios. GeorgeGist Jul 2014 #59

... William769 Jul 2014 #7

Exactly randys1 Jul 2014 #30

So, what should the US do to Russia as the punishers and enforcers? morningfog Jul 2014 #32

Any actions cannot be unilateral from the US MohRokTah Jul 2014 #33

You really want a war? atreides1 Jul 2014 #52

If necessary, military action must be taken. That doesn't mean I WANT it. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #54

The case should be taken to the International Court of Justice as was the US shootdown pampango Jul 2014 #41

I do not consider any of those plane shoot downs to be mistakes. CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #4

I actually think KAL-007 WAS a mistake, but that the Iranian Airbus was not. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #26

The KAL-007 shoot down certainly wasn't a mistake... EX500rider Jul 2014 #48

I remember KAL--that was deliberate, and that wasn't a surface to air thing--that was a pilot with MADem Jul 2014 #53

Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #61

wtf - who's agreed it was a mistake? samsingh Jul 2014 #5

That's the way the US has seen it Max power Jul 2014 #8

We routinely kill civilians with our drone strikes and nobody cares. Maedhros Jul 2014 #47

Yes, let's not hold Putin/Russia responsible for arming some rebel yahoos who FSogol Jul 2014 #9

I am not prepared to be a hypocrite Max power Jul 2014 #11

And some people are just Putin apologists. BTW, Welcome to DU. n/t FSogol Jul 2014 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #21

Not comparable to shooting down A passenger plane Max power Jul 2014 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #39

So if they admitted it Max power Jul 2014 #49

According to Rachel Maddow, this is the 4th time Russia has been directly or indirectly involved. nt Hekate Jul 2014 #57

So because, in your opinion, bad things happened in the past... Ellbee Jul 2014 #43

YOu are it seems, prepared to argue a straw man debate of your own making. Raine1967 Jul 2014 #50

For one thing, no one has owned up to it. bluedigger Jul 2014 #10

For one, the perps have not admitted they did it. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #14

You overlook the unpleasant fact that a big chunk of the world supported our invasion of Iraq. randome Jul 2014 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #22

Agreed. randome Jul 2014 #31

I didn't realize Max power Jul 2014 #46

Yeah, welcome to DU... SidDithers Jul 2014 #17

Should that be "welcome back"? MohRokTah Jul 2014 #34

Probably Hekate Jul 2014 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #18

"The United States has a long long history of arming rebel forces." Only vs. democratically- WinkyDink Jul 2014 #19

Those aren't rebel forces, the ones we arm are freedom fighters. FSogol Jul 2014 #35

Or we call them freedom fighters. One person's terrorist is another person's Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #51

No, accidental murder is still murder. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #23

No, then it is manslaughter, and punished differently. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #24

Not sure about that. There was intent and premeditation to kill someone. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #28

Yep. Intent follows the bullet. Iggo Jul 2014 #42

The world cannot sanction America like other countries Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #27

TPTB will agree that it "was" whatever it needs to be to produce agreed-upon results: peace or war. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #29

We better not speak up about slavery, abuse of indigenous people... Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #37

Yep. You just described the worst kind of hypocrite. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #38

A preventable mistake brought on by a specific set of actions and behaviors lapislzi Jul 2014 #40

As of yet, I see no strong, valid evidence ruling out everything other than a mistake. LanternWaste Jul 2014 #45

Because there are different degrees of mistake. This one falls on the negligent side. stevenleser Jul 2014 #55

Russia has done so 4 times to our 1, for starters. Look up Rachel Maddow's segment on same... Hekate Jul 2014 #56

So because we or our allies of ours have done something wrong, it's okay for everyone else? brooklynite Jul 2014 #60

You are absolutely right..... Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #62

A 'mistake' in which doofus fascists were given weapons they can't handle by other fascists so they Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #63