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In reply to the discussion: This Church Sign Is Awesome {It's real, so don't even start with me.} [View all]ashling
(25,771 posts)145. excerpts from a sermon by Rev. John Shuck
OK, so it's just about the whole damn thing . . . but it's just that good
Good Friday? A Reflection
Good Friday?
John Shuck
First Presbyterian Church
Elizabethton, Tennessee
April 6, 2012
Good Friday
Mark 15:1-47
****
Why are we so obsessed with the death of Jesus?
Dying was his reason for living.
Really?
Much of Christian theology has been used to induce guilt and shame. You are so bad that Jesus had to die on the cross. The bloodier and more painful the death serves to demonstrate the depth of your depravity. You deserve all that beating. But Jesus took it for you. That is default Christianity. I call it spiritual abuse.
Jesus had a life before he died. The things he did and the things he said were provocative enough to put him on the wrong side of the authorities. From the things people remembered that he did and said, he was critical of the authorities. He was critical of the religious authorities and of the political authorities.
That is what got him killed.
He challenged systems of authority that took advantage of widows, of the poor, and of the outcast. He created a movement. And it was threatening enough that those in power felt the need to stop him. Perhaps to make of him an example.
That is what got him killed.
He was on the side of people who were oppressed by the economic policies of the temple. He was on the side of people considered unclean and sinners by the religious.
That is what got him killed.
He is remembered for telling parables and stories that upset people. He used a phrase "kingdom of God." That phrase means little to us because we have tamed it. Most folks thanks to the theologians think it is another phrase for heaven, a place the true believers go when they die.
It is likely that it was a political statement. It was a social statement. It was a statement of hope. As opposed to the kingdom of Caesar, imagine what the kingdom of God is like. It wasn't just a fantasy, a story. It was a movement. This is the kingdom to live for, to work for, perhaps even to die for. It is a kingdom of justice and compassion. In this kingdom, in this political economy the hungry are filled with good things. Now let's make it so. That was Jesus message.
Jesus was about making changes in this world.
That is what got him killed.
He talked about compassion. He talked about moving beyond ethnic boundaries and divisions. He talked about forgiveness. Not something you go to the priest for or even to God for, but your neighbor. The neighbor is who we hurt, not God. The neighbor is the one from whom we need forgiveness. We get it as we give it.
Jesus worked to bring people together: Samaritan and Jew, Greek and Roman. He practiced an open table, rich and poor, male and female. He challenged unjust boundaries and rules.
That is what got him killed.
Dying was not his reason for living.
Living was his reason for dying.
For life, he died. For integrity, he died. For compassion, he died. For justice, he died. For change, he died.
He was in the way. He was in the way of progress. He was in the way of Rome. He was in the way of the religious authorities who had sold out their people to Rome. He was killed as were many just like him.
Jesus didnt die of old age. He didnt die of cancer. He didnt get trampled accidentally by a runaway horse. Jesus was bullied to death. Not only Jesus, but thousands of people were tortured and executed methodically in a spectacle of brutality and control. Jesus was a victim of imperial terrorism.
There was and is nothing sacred and holy about the execution and torture of Jesus or of anyone. If anything, remembering the death of Jesus should summon us to honor life not death. It should give us the courage and commitment to speak out and not remain silent in the face of torture, execution, violence, injustice, and needless suffering around the world.
The Easter acclamation, Christ is Risen! meant what? I think it meant that they, the people, those who told and wrote the stories about Jesus had had enough. They had had enough of Romes bullying. They said,
Every time we gather for a meal of bread and wine we will remember. We are Christ's body. Christ is alive with us. We will continue to remember and to resist. We will show hospitality to those who are victims of imperial bullying, to the outcast, to the slave, to the stranger. We will lean on and support each other. We will remember and tell the stories of the victims. And we will dream, hope, and work for the day in which the kingdom of God, the empire of God, the empire of justice and peace will be realized on Earth.
Obviously, Christianity evolved and moved in all kinds of directions and embraced many different mythologies and interpretations, and some of them quite good and helpful. But it is important not to lose sight of our roots. The earliest interpretation of the death and resurrection of Jesus is this:
In Christ, Empires brutality is overcome by Gods justice.
I wear this cross around my neck to remind me whose side I need to be on.
Jesus' life was fast. Like Martin Luther King, they both died before reaching forty. But their lives burned with passion and fire. They burned out for compassion and justice.
Apparently, they believed that it is better to have burned out than never to have burned at all.
Whenever any of us stands up for those who are abused or put down or who suffer injustice from bullies big and small, we practice true religion.
We live in the example and spirit of Jesus.
Only if today helps us to live a life that matters can we dare call it Good Friday.
Amen.
Why are we so obsessed with the death of Jesus?
Dying was his reason for living.
Really?
Much of Christian theology has been used to induce guilt and shame. You are so bad that Jesus had to die on the cross. The bloodier and more painful the death serves to demonstrate the depth of your depravity. You deserve all that beating. But Jesus took it for you. That is default Christianity. I call it spiritual abuse.
Jesus had a life before he died. The things he did and the things he said were provocative enough to put him on the wrong side of the authorities. From the things people remembered that he did and said, he was critical of the authorities. He was critical of the religious authorities and of the political authorities.
That is what got him killed.
He challenged systems of authority that took advantage of widows, of the poor, and of the outcast. He created a movement. And it was threatening enough that those in power felt the need to stop him. Perhaps to make of him an example.
That is what got him killed.
He was on the side of people who were oppressed by the economic policies of the temple. He was on the side of people considered unclean and sinners by the religious.
That is what got him killed.
He is remembered for telling parables and stories that upset people. He used a phrase "kingdom of God." That phrase means little to us because we have tamed it. Most folks thanks to the theologians think it is another phrase for heaven, a place the true believers go when they die.
It is likely that it was a political statement. It was a social statement. It was a statement of hope. As opposed to the kingdom of Caesar, imagine what the kingdom of God is like. It wasn't just a fantasy, a story. It was a movement. This is the kingdom to live for, to work for, perhaps even to die for. It is a kingdom of justice and compassion. In this kingdom, in this political economy the hungry are filled with good things. Now let's make it so. That was Jesus message.
Jesus was about making changes in this world.
That is what got him killed.
He talked about compassion. He talked about moving beyond ethnic boundaries and divisions. He talked about forgiveness. Not something you go to the priest for or even to God for, but your neighbor. The neighbor is who we hurt, not God. The neighbor is the one from whom we need forgiveness. We get it as we give it.
Jesus worked to bring people together: Samaritan and Jew, Greek and Roman. He practiced an open table, rich and poor, male and female. He challenged unjust boundaries and rules.
That is what got him killed.
Dying was not his reason for living.
Living was his reason for dying.
For life, he died. For integrity, he died. For compassion, he died. For justice, he died. For change, he died.
He was in the way. He was in the way of progress. He was in the way of Rome. He was in the way of the religious authorities who had sold out their people to Rome. He was killed as were many just like him.
Jesus didnt die of old age. He didnt die of cancer. He didnt get trampled accidentally by a runaway horse. Jesus was bullied to death. Not only Jesus, but thousands of people were tortured and executed methodically in a spectacle of brutality and control. Jesus was a victim of imperial terrorism.
There was and is nothing sacred and holy about the execution and torture of Jesus or of anyone. If anything, remembering the death of Jesus should summon us to honor life not death. It should give us the courage and commitment to speak out and not remain silent in the face of torture, execution, violence, injustice, and needless suffering around the world.
The Easter acclamation, Christ is Risen! meant what? I think it meant that they, the people, those who told and wrote the stories about Jesus had had enough. They had had enough of Romes bullying. They said,
Every time we gather for a meal of bread and wine we will remember. We are Christ's body. Christ is alive with us. We will continue to remember and to resist. We will show hospitality to those who are victims of imperial bullying, to the outcast, to the slave, to the stranger. We will lean on and support each other. We will remember and tell the stories of the victims. And we will dream, hope, and work for the day in which the kingdom of God, the empire of God, the empire of justice and peace will be realized on Earth.
Obviously, Christianity evolved and moved in all kinds of directions and embraced many different mythologies and interpretations, and some of them quite good and helpful. But it is important not to lose sight of our roots. The earliest interpretation of the death and resurrection of Jesus is this:
In Christ, Empires brutality is overcome by Gods justice.
I wear this cross around my neck to remind me whose side I need to be on.
Jesus' life was fast. Like Martin Luther King, they both died before reaching forty. But their lives burned with passion and fire. They burned out for compassion and justice.
Apparently, they believed that it is better to have burned out than never to have burned at all.
Whenever any of us stands up for those who are abused or put down or who suffer injustice from bullies big and small, we practice true religion.
We live in the example and spirit of Jesus.
Only if today helps us to live a life that matters can we dare call it Good Friday.
Amen.
AMEN
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I know and see many so-called Christians that are anything but christians. Usually leaving
demosincebirth
Apr 2012
#30
That may sound really nice, but other parts of the Bible are truly sickening and should be condemned
Bjorn Against
Apr 2012
#78
What totally baffles me, is that people feel God rolled up His sleeves, dipped his pen in the ink
gateley
Apr 2012
#86
Agreed. But that doesn't mean Paul had any right to tell them that the OT was theirs...
Moonwalk
Apr 2012
#180
THOSE ARE OLD TESTAMENT QUOTES! Jesus H. Christ no Christian should be allowed to read the OT.
aquart
Apr 2012
#116
I will stop quoting the Old Testament when Christians stop quoting the Old Testament
Bjorn Against
Apr 2012
#125
How does the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. fit into your blanket condemnation
thucythucy
Apr 2012
#172
"The only sensible explanation is that the apostles believed in reincarnation" - Nonsense.
davidwparker
Apr 2012
#152
I have no quarrel with the signs you wrote about, but they are on a different topic. I was
Cal33
Apr 2012
#163
"just imagine all the mistakes made when the Bible was translated" - Such as?
davidwparker
Apr 2012
#153
Are you saying that you also know all the colloquialisms and idioms of that ancient Greek
Cal33
Apr 2012
#166
You're confused--there's nothing about the person the Samaritan helped
Lydia Leftcoast
Apr 2012
#119
I believe the idea is that if you sincerely accept Jesus as your Saviour, then De Facto
Uncle Joe
Apr 2012
#53
Cherry-pick the parts of the Bible you happen to agree with, while simply ignoring all the parts...
LAGC
Apr 2012
#44
Do you know anything about the history of how Christian doctrine developed?
antigone382
Apr 2012
#50
If you can find me a translation of the Old Testament that does not contain the hateful parts...
Bjorn Against
Apr 2012
#94
I disagree. In the story of the sheeps and the goats, Jesus most clearly says that on
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2012
#91
He actually follows Messianic Judaism. It has the understanding that Messiah has come,
davidwparker
Apr 2012
#155
I am surprised those same christians haven't gone after him with torches and pitchforks for
niyad
Apr 2012
#2
shrug -- there's lots of us christians that believe there is truth in that sign. nt
xchrom
Apr 2012
#4
Yep and to take it one step further to me the one rule everyone on earth should abide by is
Smilo
Apr 2012
#113
Well, that only speaks to what appears to be your very limited experience with christians.
cbayer
Apr 2012
#92
really? I specifically mentioned the hate-filled xians. and, living here in fundieville, I have
niyad
Apr 2012
#96
Jesus H. Fucking Chocolate Christ on a Stick - it's Easter weekend people! Chill.
HopeHoops
Apr 2012
#26
Harold. it's there in the bible -- his middle name is Harold. Jesus Harold Christ.
xchrom
Apr 2012
#29
It's also in the Lord's Prayer: Our Father, who art in Heaven, Harold be thy name.
bulloney
Apr 2012
#43
Shit - I had water in my mouth when I read that and nearly sprayed the laptop.
HopeHoops
Apr 2012
#35
The difference is this. You are an atheist. Some of the members responding here are anti-theists.
cbayer
Apr 2012
#95
I'd be curious to know about the "surprising response" he has gotten. Half a story here. (N/T)
thesquanderer
Apr 2012
#55
It would have been braver and more honest if the sign indicated that the PASTOR appreciated....
PassingFair
Apr 2012
#142
God prefers striped neckties over polka dots. God prefers whatever we imagine him to prefer.
Towlie
Apr 2012
#67
Better than the "It's Adam & Eve not Adam & Steve" sign @ a church I have to drive past !!!
lunasun
Apr 2012
#117
I understand the thrust of the message and agree with it in spirit but there are no gods
Air Marshal8
Apr 2012
#139
Jesus said lots of hateful stuff in the NT. You can be a hateful person and still be like Jesus.
Manifestor_of_Light
Apr 2012
#159