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MohRokTah

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54. If necessary, military action must be taken. That doesn't mean I WANT it.

Wed Jul 23, 2014, 03:41 PM

Jul 2014

It's a NATO thing. As of now, six member nations had innocent civilians blown out of the sky. Any one of those six could call for military action against the separatists for the issue and all member nations would have to respond.

I don't see that happening. The only way there would actually be military action from NATO would be for a major incursion of Russian forces moving into Eastern Ukraine, and even then it might not happen, though I think it highly likely that war would ensue if Putin gets that stupid.

But again, all it takes is one of those six member nations to call for military action under the NATO treaties. All six nations have experienced an attack. Any of them can call for a military response. You don't see any calls for that, do you?

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If we all agree that the shootdown of MH 17 was a mistake [View all] Max power Jul 2014 OP

We all agree? Iggo Jul 2014 #1

It looks like Max power Jul 2014 #3

Why does it look to you like they shot it down by mistake? Iggo Jul 2014 #15

"rebel force", you mean the pro Rus-Si-A terrorists right? snooper2 Jul 2014 #25

The outrage is warranted. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #2

Didn't we forfeit our moral high ground Max power Jul 2014 #6

No. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #12

No, and I didn't do any of those things. Throd Jul 2014 #20

Not to anyone who believed we should not have armed Hussein... LanternWaste Jul 2014 #44

I didn't support any of those scenarios. GeorgeGist Jul 2014 #59

... William769 Jul 2014 #7

Exactly randys1 Jul 2014 #30

So, what should the US do to Russia as the punishers and enforcers? morningfog Jul 2014 #32

Any actions cannot be unilateral from the US MohRokTah Jul 2014 #33

You really want a war? atreides1 Jul 2014 #52

If necessary, military action must be taken. That doesn't mean I WANT it. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #54

The case should be taken to the International Court of Justice as was the US shootdown pampango Jul 2014 #41

I do not consider any of those plane shoot downs to be mistakes. CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #4

I actually think KAL-007 WAS a mistake, but that the Iranian Airbus was not. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #26

The KAL-007 shoot down certainly wasn't a mistake... EX500rider Jul 2014 #48

I remember KAL--that was deliberate, and that wasn't a surface to air thing--that was a pilot with MADem Jul 2014 #53

Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #61

wtf - who's agreed it was a mistake? samsingh Jul 2014 #5

That's the way the US has seen it Max power Jul 2014 #8

We routinely kill civilians with our drone strikes and nobody cares. Maedhros Jul 2014 #47

Yes, let's not hold Putin/Russia responsible for arming some rebel yahoos who FSogol Jul 2014 #9

I am not prepared to be a hypocrite Max power Jul 2014 #11

And some people are just Putin apologists. BTW, Welcome to DU. n/t FSogol Jul 2014 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #21

Not comparable to shooting down A passenger plane Max power Jul 2014 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #39

So if they admitted it Max power Jul 2014 #49

According to Rachel Maddow, this is the 4th time Russia has been directly or indirectly involved. nt Hekate Jul 2014 #57

So because, in your opinion, bad things happened in the past... Ellbee Jul 2014 #43

YOu are it seems, prepared to argue a straw man debate of your own making. Raine1967 Jul 2014 #50

For one thing, no one has owned up to it. bluedigger Jul 2014 #10

For one, the perps have not admitted they did it. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #14

You overlook the unpleasant fact that a big chunk of the world supported our invasion of Iraq. randome Jul 2014 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #22

Agreed. randome Jul 2014 #31

I didn't realize Max power Jul 2014 #46

Yeah, welcome to DU... SidDithers Jul 2014 #17

Should that be "welcome back"? MohRokTah Jul 2014 #34

Probably Hekate Jul 2014 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #18

"The United States has a long long history of arming rebel forces." Only vs. democratically- WinkyDink Jul 2014 #19

Those aren't rebel forces, the ones we arm are freedom fighters. FSogol Jul 2014 #35

Or we call them freedom fighters. One person's terrorist is another person's Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #51

No, accidental murder is still murder. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #23

No, then it is manslaughter, and punished differently. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #24

Not sure about that. There was intent and premeditation to kill someone. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #28

Yep. Intent follows the bullet. Iggo Jul 2014 #42

The world cannot sanction America like other countries Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #27

TPTB will agree that it "was" whatever it needs to be to produce agreed-upon results: peace or war. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #29

We better not speak up about slavery, abuse of indigenous people... Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #37

Yep. You just described the worst kind of hypocrite. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #38

A preventable mistake brought on by a specific set of actions and behaviors lapislzi Jul 2014 #40

As of yet, I see no strong, valid evidence ruling out everything other than a mistake. LanternWaste Jul 2014 #45

Because there are different degrees of mistake. This one falls on the negligent side. stevenleser Jul 2014 #55

Russia has done so 4 times to our 1, for starters. Look up Rachel Maddow's segment on same... Hekate Jul 2014 #56

So because we or our allies of ours have done something wrong, it's okay for everyone else? brooklynite Jul 2014 #60

You are absolutely right..... Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #62

A 'mistake' in which doofus fascists were given weapons they can't handle by other fascists so they Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #63