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14. An oppressor can't claim self defense against the severely oppressed

Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:53 PM

Jul 2014

as an excuse to commit another of a long line of atrocities against the very same oppressed people. That's a formula for endless unprovoked war.

It is very convenient to start history's clock at the last retaliatory rocket from an imprisoned population. It is convenient to be suddenly struck with a case of amnesia concerning the deadly rampage Israel conducted against the Palestinians and Hamas as collective punishment against the severely oppressed population for the kids murdered by the two Palestinians. This happened before the Rocket barrage from Hamas.

This aggression by Israel is an attempt to destroy the Palestinians' new unity government, plus they haven't conducted such an aggression against the Gaza Strip in a couple of years. A new beat-down was scheduled. Netanyahu knows what he is doing.

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I Stand With Israel [View all] Rhinodawg Jul 2014 OP

I stand with Israel. Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #1

???? posting issues? nt Logical Jul 2014 #80

Well bully for you! Rah! Rah! nt mr blur Jul 2014 #156

There are only 2 ways for this to end? Did you notice who the author of that piece is? uppityperson Jul 2014 #2

you have a good point in your last paragraph samsingh Jul 2014 #163

i don't stand with Netanyahu and what the Govt is doing JI7 Jul 2014 #3

I'd give back the land I stole at gunpoint & quit murdering people who are not my enemy nt msongs Jul 2014 #4

Israel is surrounded by enemies. former9thward Jul 2014 #26

Then the smart and humane thing to do is leave. randome Jul 2014 #30

The lucky ones left or tried to leave Europe in the 30s. former9thward Jul 2014 #33

And go where? NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #83

I don't mean leave the area. I mean get the fuck out of the land they are illegally settling. randome Jul 2014 #134

Yeah, no. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #102

Don't bother, go look up his posts about Sgt Bergdahl Katashi_itto Jul 2014 #168

Not really surrounded. atreides1 Jul 2014 #56

You forgot the Mediterranean! WinkyDink Jul 2014 #154

A little history beyond sound-bites would help here. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #153

I stand with humanity whatchamacallit Jul 2014 #5

Unfortunately... lexx21 Jul 2014 #29

Sadly true whatchamacallit Jul 2014 #45

I stand with humanity tecelote Jul 2014 #76

+1 regnaD kciN Jul 2014 #79

I'm with you RedstDem Jul 2014 #160

bomb innocent men, women, and children in retaliation? bigtree Jul 2014 #6

Movies from an early age on have influenced many Americans fadedrose Jul 2014 #62

this is just sad bigtree Jul 2014 #66

Depends on what you THINK I meant.. fadedrose Jul 2014 #68

make it clear what you're saying bigtree Jul 2014 #70

Usually the hostages, especially those killed, fadedrose Jul 2014 #74

actually they didn't turn off power.I'm pretty sure Israel provides free electric to the entire Gaza Sunlei Jul 2014 #72

Electricity was already limited to a few hours a day for a limited few bigtree Jul 2014 #81

I support Israel, but not their far right criminal leaders right now. Hopefully they sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #7

shallow H2O Man Jul 2014 #8

I love simpleminded tripe, really. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #9

Geronimo and Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, for that matter malaise Jul 2014 #12

How come there are no threads demanding Egypt open up the border? former9thward Jul 2014 #32

Which has nothing to do with anything, like the price of tea in China, closeupready Jul 2014 #39

It really, really does Nevernose Jul 2014 #96

Are you denying that Gaza is an open air prison? Big Blue Marble Jul 2014 #136

Like I said to 9thWard the last time he trotted out this old canard, stranger81 Jul 2014 #140

As a friend to Israel I feel it's my duty to point out that their el_bryanto Jul 2014 #10

Glad you are here, so you can become better informed. roody Jul 2014 #11

From your OP, the author: Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #13

Did you look at McGinty's other posts? What a jerk (jurors, the person who wrote the article, not th uppityperson Jul 2014 #15

Another right winger wrong and offensive on all fronts. Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #20

Thank you for noticing as I hadn't. I went back to look and ewwwww (author, not du poster) uppityperson Jul 2014 #21

You're welcome....sometimes I forget to look too. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #22

An oppressor can't claim self defense against the severely oppressed cpwm17 Jul 2014 #14

You can stand with Israel if you wish but in the long run you will suffer the same fate tech3149 Jul 2014 #16

Maybe you should try and sell that philosophy to the Arabs. former9thward Jul 2014 #37

Hear Hear snagglepuss Jul 2014 #84

What do you mean by STAND? GeorgeGist Jul 2014 #17

Israel did not choose the location. former9thward Jul 2014 #42

Pardon me, how is Israel the most prosperous nation in the middle east? akbacchus_BC Jul 2014 #90

The Arabs had done nothing with the land. former9thward Jul 2014 #103

243 billion GDP Mosby Jul 2014 #149

I do not support this current unilateral escalation of violence against the Palestinians. closeupready Jul 2014 #18

More right wing drivel. bravenak Jul 2014 #19

+1 It's always alsame Jul 2014 #34

It blows my mind too. bravenak Jul 2014 #43

+1,000 malaise Jul 2014 #49

Not only that, Israel is showing its powers because it is being backed by the akbacchus_BC Jul 2014 #91

Some of the Israeli fatalities Mosby Jul 2014 #159

Very sad. bravenak Jul 2014 #161

"Perspectives from a right-wing (common sense) point of view... BY KEVIN_MCGINTY" Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #23

I have a Palestinian friend who sides with Israel and his reasoning is thus: dilby Jul 2014 #24

What a shitty rationalization for killing children on a mass scale. Hissyspit Jul 2014 #28

No kidding. I'd think the necessary predicate to exercising your right to free sexual orientation stranger81 Jul 2014 #162

You kidding us, just like you have one black friend you like! akbacchus_BC Jul 2014 #94

Hold on a minute, let's look at the situation. Rex Jul 2014 #25

Thanks. Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #35

Did you notice who the author of the piece you quoted was? uppityperson Jul 2014 #44

Bullcrap. Two children dead an hour on average last two days. Hissyspit Jul 2014 #27

"The manifestations of Palestinian suffering in future generations will be terrible." closeupready Jul 2014 #38

People forget what Palestine could have been ripcord Jul 2014 #31

Yes, please massively oversimplify things for us. Hissyspit Jul 2014 #36

Sometimes the truth is very simple leftynyc Jul 2014 #41

No, the truth isn't that simple. One-sided propaganda is, however. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #46

History is not propaganda leftynyc Jul 2014 #48

Let me ask you this. stranger81 Jul 2014 #142

Half of the people living there are younger than me. bravenak Jul 2014 #47

Perhaps voting a terrorist organization leftynyc Jul 2014 #51

What Israel is doing is such a great idea. Hissyspit Jul 2014 #55

Like we wouldn't have people here leftynyc Jul 2014 #100

kinda like you're doing now? frylock Jul 2014 #111

I see Likud as a terrorist organization. bravenak Jul 2014 #58

I agree, especially when they have sickos like Moshe Feiglin in positions of power... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #124

I had to remind our good friend in IP of that article. bravenak Jul 2014 #125

Heh. No point even trying. It'll be automatically dismissed coz 'Israel is a democracy!!!' Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #126

The news here ha been basically about Israel's right to self defense. bravenak Jul 2014 #128

using that rationale, 9/11 was justified frylock Jul 2014 #110

smh jaycrewz Jul 2014 #97

You seem to have no sense of irony leftynyc Jul 2014 #98

lol...u srs? jaycrewz Jul 2014 #133

Did Israel not take the West Bank and Gaza and hold it under occupation? N/T Big Blue Marble Jul 2014 #137

AFTER being attacked leftynyc Jul 2014 #138

Why is it no one remembers that little fact?? 7962 Jul 2014 #121

Beats me leftynyc Jul 2014 #123

If only Israel would have stopped bulldozing Palestinian settlements and appropriating their land, Maedhros Jul 2014 #59

Exactly and walling in the Palestinians when the world was trying to break akbacchus_BC Jul 2014 #92

they have the right to defend themselves against the people they're slaughtering? NightWatcher Jul 2014 #40

Considering the pollling leftynyc Jul 2014 #50

How many Americans support Israel because they think Revelations tell them to? NightWatcher Jul 2014 #57

+1 (nt) mr blur Jul 2014 #67

Yep. If the Bibull wasn't involved, this would be a whole different game. progressoid Jul 2014 #69

Too bad leftynyc Jul 2014 #101

The majority of Americans believe angels are literally real. stranger81 Jul 2014 #143

Well then let's just poll DU users leftynyc Jul 2014 #144

Our representatives don't care what we think stranger81 Jul 2014 #145

Where are you getting leftynyc Jul 2014 #146

Latest NYT numbers this weekend. stranger81 Jul 2014 #147

I stand with righteous Jews - Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2014 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Jul 2014 #64

Like it or not, we all stand with Israel. (121 billion dollars in foreign aid) B Calm Jul 2014 #53

I stand with trouble AngryAmish Jul 2014 #54

The propaganda runs deep in this one! BillZBubb Jul 2014 #60

I don't stand with Israel or Hamas or the Palestinian Authority Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Jul 2014 #63

You sure you're in the right fucking place? TransitJohn Jul 2014 #65

Interesting...so... Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #71

No, posting links to right wing jerks to prove your point is the problem. uppityperson Jul 2014 #73

You are explicitly supporting inflicting "pain and damage" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #107

huh? Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #112

You posted the OP; the author ends it saying the only solution is for Israel to inflict muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #113

I DO stand with Israel. Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #114

But you went out of your way to find a right wing writer who wants 'pain and damage' muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #115

I didnt know or really care what his politics are. Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #116

Hamas don't post articles on DU muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #117

Ok...i will keep that in mind. Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #118

Why? I stand with Israel also. William769 Jul 2014 #75

Why you concur with the atrocities of Israel doing to the Palestinians? akbacchus_BC Jul 2014 #93

William, over the years I have read many of your posts Bohunk68 Jul 2014 #104

I wouldn't kill little kids......... Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2014 #77

some questions for those that stand with Israel... politicman Jul 2014 #78

Well, your post would argue for the non-support of both groups. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #130

i would take that.. politicman Jul 2014 #131

I'm not sure "equality in weaponry" is part of the Geneva Conventions. (See: Hiroshima.) WinkyDink Jul 2014 #150

Oy Vey... WillyT Jul 2014 #82

I don't. alarimer Jul 2014 #85

What are America's interests in standing with either side? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #86

The defense/offense industry profits and AIPAC will write large checks to politicians Dragonfli Jul 2014 #88

Whoa. Poster seen throwing self on sharpened stakes. Damansarajaya Jul 2014 #87

That is not to say that there are not some applegrove Jul 2014 #89

You stand with Israel, how nice of you! Whilst Israel is occuping akbacchus_BC Jul 2014 #95

If Palestinians are armed to the teeth, why isn't their air force bombing Israeli cities? n/t eridani Jul 2014 #99

because ....... NM_Birder Jul 2014 #105

I don't I think we should sanction Israel jimlup Jul 2014 #106

I stand with Israel Boom Sound 416 Jul 2014 #108

Why do they have a right to exist? treestar Jul 2014 #109

So...If the US decided to "conquer" say, Malta, you'd be okay with that? WinkyDink Jul 2014 #151

You do that. LWolf Jul 2014 #119

Click the ''I'' button. n/t DeSwiss Jul 2014 #120

Ok Rino... XRubicon Jul 2014 #122

What would I do? Move. But that's just me. peacebird Jul 2014 #127

Yes, the world is chock-full of employment opportunities. (Reagan said, "Vote with your feet," and WinkyDink Jul 2014 #152

I love the photo of the young women (teenagers?) with big smiles Quantess Jul 2014 #129

I stand with the dead children. nt msanthrope Jul 2014 #132

So do I, and more: WinkyDink Jul 2014 #157

I'll stand with Israel in Gaza but against it in the West Bank. WatermelonRat Jul 2014 #135

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Jul 2014 #139

Gosh low count...I wonder where this poster comes from.... Katashi_itto Jul 2014 #141

Cool right wing article! BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #148

Couldn't disagree more.... Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #155

congrats for surviving an alert 2pooped2pop Jul 2014 #166

I also support Israel, but, I don't support those in Israel who sabotage peace with Palestine. DrewFlorida Jul 2014 #158

"Completely surrounded"? KamaAina Jul 2014 #164

Really swell of them trashing our Secretary of State. Kingofalldems Jul 2014 #165

i stand on the side of peace. spanone Jul 2014 #167