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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
39. That really is the heart of the matter...
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 05:20 PM
Jul 2014

...from Vietnam to the present day, indepat.

Background for those new to the subject:

JFK Conference: James DiEugenio made clear how Foreign Policy changed after November 22, 1963

As a Democrat, a DUer and as a citizen of the United States, I was proud to attend the Passing the Torch: An International Symposium on the 50th Anniversary of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy at Duquesne University. One of the many important things discussed there was what author, historian and teacher, James DiEugenio reported on the important change in foreign policy JFK represented from his predecessor and his successors, immediate and otherwise.



DiEugenio said President John F. Kennedy did not undergo a change of heart from Cold War hawk to liberal dove Democrat only after the hair-raising nuclear crises he experienced in office. "John F. Kennedy was never a Cold Warrior," DiEugenio said. Throughout his 16-year career in the House and Senate, President Kennedy sided with the People, Justice and Democracy -- across the United States and around the world. This is a world view radically different from Eisenhower, and his foreign policy makers, principally the Dulles Brothers and their allies, including young Dick Nixon.

The JFK Administration may have represented a break in the action, H20 Man's Father explained to him and I agree. It was a special interlude, indeed. In only 1,037 days, we launched the nation toward the moon, creating a new type of economy; maintained the peace when several times the heads of the military and the secret organs of the national security state counseled all-out war; and started the nation on a path where all men are equal under the law, no matter race, color, or creed, and justice extended to economics and health, as under FDR and the New Deal.

DiEugenio’s research shows President Kennedy was working to defend the interests of democracy over those of colonialism, not only in Europe, as evinced in divided Berlin, but in Africa, Asia, South America and around the world. During less than three years in office, Kennedy turned official U.S. support from that of Eisenhower and the Dulles Brothers for supporting US commercial and colonial interests over democracy, such as in Guatemala and Iran, to respect for the nations and their democratically elected leaders, like Lumumba and Sukarno. In matters of war and peace, JFK always sided with peace, making overtures to North Vietnam. The Dulles Brothers and Nixon sided with France and the colonial powers, even drawing up plans to nuke the North Vietnamese Army at Dien Bien Phu, Operation VULTURE.

The record shows JFK's Foreign Policy of democracy over colonialism was immediately reversed by Lyndon B. Johnson, who reversed course in Vietnam and supported the pro-colonialist forces in Congo, Vietnam, Brazil, Dominican Republic and elsewhere around the world. Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and most who followed continued the Business-As-Usual, advancing the interests of Big Money, Big Oil and Big Wars for Profit.

...Vietnam and elsewhere. Traced the attacks back to Sullivan & Cromwell, the Wall Street law firm that helped "create" Panama by carving it out of Columbia in 1897. From their ranks, the CIA -- as in "Corporate Interests of America" -- would later come into being. DiEugenio described how in 1964 Warren Commission member John McCloy, whose law firm represented the interests of M. A. Hanna Mining Company, also served the secret U.S. government to secretly negotiate with João Goulart, the leader of Brazil and warn him if he continued his policies to redistribute wealth by nationalizing the nation's resopurces, he would be removed from power. Goulart said, "No," and he was soon gone.

One of the things I am most proud of is how Democratic Underground covered many of these salient points on its boards, from DU1 through the present day. At the Duquesne conference, I was listening and nodding, knowing that many times we had discussed this on DU. In looking back to one particularly important post through GOOGLE, I found we sourced this information back to DiEugenio. That's what the Internet can do: Spread Truth.

Why it matters.

Democracy depends on Truth. The Republic depends on Justice. That is, the reality that ours is a nation under law.

Once a criminal is, or criminals are, allowed to go free, Justice has been denied. We find ourselves operating under a falsehood, we are living a Big Lie.

We as a Nation have been on the criminal path since November 22, 1963.

DUers know you don’t need to read a history book or watch a tee vee special to know: It shows. Since 1964 and the Gulf of Tonkin, it’s been a series of wars without end for profit. "Money trumps peace." And in the process, the rich became super-rich -- the richest and most powerful people in history.

OP: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023964436#post182


You can't have a security-based economy without some insecurity. arcane1 Jul 2014 #1
+1 Enthusiast Jul 2014 #6
Mix in Secret Government and Spherical Snooping and its MONEY for those in the know. Octafish Jul 2014 #10
So on-point. +1 Ed Suspicious Jul 2014 #37
i believe it renegade000 Jul 2014 #2
It's been brought up. More a testament to our weak political will DirkGently Jul 2014 #3
And in at least one case gratuitous Jul 2014 #5
The Informants: Terrorists for the FBI Octafish Jul 2014 #11
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #27
Just watched the Newburgh Sting on HBO JaneyVee Jul 2014 #4
Thank you for the heads-up, JaneyVee! Will viddy. Octafish Jul 2014 #12
It was really good. The whole thing was a JaneyVee Jul 2014 #18
Trained by Hoover Octafish Jul 2014 #20
+1! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #26
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #7
How FBI Entrapment Is Inventing 'Terrorists' - and Letting Bad Guys Off the Hook Octafish Jul 2014 #13
This is a clear abuse of power. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #23
Management seems to especially reward those who go along. Octafish Jul 2014 #25
Hoover.....a great American. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #28
Not all apples are rotten. Octafish Jul 2014 #31
Thanks. Geez. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #32
"Agent Donald Adams" Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #55
Ironic. While very conservative, the FBI Agent Donald Adams was quite a compelling person. Octafish Jul 2014 #62
I'm more worried about the Feds arresting cancer grannies for growing pot Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #43
Well I'm shocked. Aerows Jul 2014 #8
That's the idea, Citizen. Octafish Jul 2014 #16
That is so fucking ugly. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #24
You always post the most Aerows Jul 2014 #48
This is reported once or twice a year the last few years johnnyreb Jul 2014 #9
Church Committee in 1976 reported CIA manipulated US Press... Octafish Jul 2014 #19
Jimmy Hoffa and the Church Committee MinM Jul 2014 #33
Like DCI William Colby said re Sam Giancana: ''We had nothing to do with that.'' Octafish Jul 2014 #35
@SpyTalker: William E. #Colby: The Gray Man MinM Jul 2014 #40
Philippines is how we got this way. Octafish Jul 2014 #60
Nixon talks about getting kickbacks from the Teamsters MinM Jul 2014 #56
Wealth and Crime often are co-dependent... Octafish Jul 2014 #59
Bebe Rebozo and his Pan American Airways Peeps MinM Jul 2014 #65
Wired: Pan Am & the CIA MinM Aug 2014 #67
Joseph & Stewart Alsop MinM Jul 2014 #66
Alsop's Fables .. "I'm Glad the CIA is Immoral" MinM Aug 2014 #68
Frank Wisner, Jr. today is a player... Octafish Aug 2014 #70
Frank Lowenstein MinM Aug 2014 #77
Absolutely, MinM. Octafish Aug 2014 #78
Some DUers pointed that out from day one malaise Jul 2014 #14
40 Years for Justice: Did the FBI Cover for the Birmingham Bombers? Octafish Jul 2014 #30
It worked so well with the Green Scare. joshcryer Jul 2014 #15
Exactly. LeftyMom Jul 2014 #22
Finally we agree on something. n/t Aerows Jul 2014 #49
How else can the establishment (TPTB) justify its humongous anti-terraist budget and its indepat Jul 2014 #17
That really is the heart of the matter... Octafish Jul 2014 #39
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #21
The Fear Factory Octafish Jul 2014 #58
Thank you for your many good works, Octafish. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #61
I don't really buy the premise Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #29
Conversely, I can't imagine myself offering someone money to blow up people sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #38
Huge K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #34
Bad blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #36
They railroaded a kid here in Oregon. JEB Jul 2014 #41
You mean the creep who WILLINGLY pressed a button convinced he was going to blow up a crowd Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #42
The confused inept kid would have had no button to push without the FBI. JEB Jul 2014 #44
Mohamud: "I want whoever is attending that event to leave, to leave either dead or injured" Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #45
Bad thoughts, indeed. JEB Jul 2014 #46
He'll have plenty of time to work on his own head, now. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #47
The FBI successfully thwarts its own Terrorist plot JEB Jul 2014 #50
And apparently a jury of 12 people didn't agree with Glenn Greenwald, who is one. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #51
Well, if wanting to kill someone is a crime JEB Jul 2014 #52
I wouldn't. But this guy did considerably more than that. And I have to believe you grasp that fact. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #53
This explains how a guy could lock himself out of his car. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #54
Really? Maybe this will help: King Rats Octafish Jul 2014 #57
Back in the 80s a major drug bust went haywire as it turned out ALL of the players were cops.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #63
Hoover's FBI infilitrated CPUSA... Octafish Aug 2014 #71
I know we had former SS working for us during the Cold War... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #72
Ours were infiltrated by Moscow... Octafish Aug 2014 #74
Yeah,....that's what happens when Right Wingers get together.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #75
All This Is Why I Think Police Stings Should Be Banned. Wolf Frankula Jul 2014 #64
Pretty much off topic, Trillo Aug 2014 #69
And how many times does it have to be exposed? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #73
entrapment laws are a lot like vacation laws, maternity leave laws, sick pay laws Adam051188 Aug 2014 #76
Look at that, we found a new low. Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #79
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