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bravenak

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32. My problem is that i do not believe the right wing fanatical government of Israel anymore.

Wed Jul 23, 2014, 05:42 PM

Jul 2014

There were no rockets on the beach, but they shot missiles at the children playing soccer anyway. They said they 'misidentified' the children as Hamas. How many other people have they misidentified?

If a gunman was holding people hostage in Anchorage (my town) using a flame thrower (a man did rob a bank this way) would the cops drop a bomb on the building? No. They would send in a swat team.

You don't get to kill a hundred innocent children to get to a bad guy and not get considered a bad guy yourself. If you start acting like a criminal to get to a criminal, you are a criminal. Period. Full stop.

Killing civilians by the hundreds to make yourself safer makes you evil. You don't get safer, you make people despise you.

Anybody that kills a baby to get to a bad guy, is disgusting and inhumane. If a gunman holds a baby in front of him to shield him from the police is despicable. The cop that shoots the baby in the head deserves condemnation and prison.

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Another perspective...Why In The World Does The American Left Give Hamas A Free Pass? [View all] one_voice Jul 2014 OP

Can I just say that this issue is exhausting? And at this point, there seem to be enough bad actors Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #1

+1. freshwest Jul 2014 #61

Well said maddezmom Jul 2014 #81

That's how I feel LordGlenconner Jul 2014 #84

Because Likud is no better than Hamas in many ways. bravenak Jul 2014 #2

You can't stand with child killers, but attempted child killers are ok? Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #11

maybe Hamas is on to something with the whole idea of using innocents to shield weapons in order to one_voice Jul 2014 #20

does Hamas have any military installations in Gaza? frylock Jul 2014 #33

That notion could be one of the sickest things I have ever read here. The Stranger Jul 2014 #41

2000 rockets and exactly one casualty. So where is the military front eridani Jul 2014 #62

My problem is that i do not believe the right wing fanatical government of Israel anymore. bravenak Jul 2014 #32

Underdogma Throd Jul 2014 #3

I think it is also the black/white dichotomy Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #9

I agree. H2O Man Jul 2014 #52

It's the "playground fight" analogy customerserviceguy Jul 2014 #55

I don't. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #4

Which is the democracy and which is the terrorist organization? philosslayer Jul 2014 #77

I, for one, do not give Hamas a free pass. Maedhros Jul 2014 #5

Ostrich syndrome. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #6

You are myopic..... Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #7

Your second paragraph did not happen. ieoeja Jul 2014 #22

+1000 These are inconvenient facts for some people. tritsofme Jul 2014 #46

finally someone actually Niceguy1 Jul 2014 #53

Hamas is expected to do nothing but evil. Not so much a free pass geek tragedy Jul 2014 #8

For me it's less about Hamas than it is the Palestinian people that are innocent in all this justiceischeap Jul 2014 #10

How easy it is for you to say in the safety of your PCIntern Jul 2014 #16

And that's exactly the point here. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #40

There are no police. Who do you think is coming to arrest the bad actor? TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #48

Really? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #49

Israel is the family in the example, there is no external "police" to come and make safe the home. TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #51

Why is it not 'some small group of identifiable actors'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #54

Why? Because it isn't, the number is finite but that doesn't translate to small TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #69

I'll address your last point first. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #70

Oh, believe you think you are being honest but I am dubious of the reaction in the actual moment TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #74

Israeli police Dorian Gray Jul 2014 #65

Why not? Israeli military seem to have no trouble Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #66

Most nations Dorian Gray Jul 2014 #75

Yes, just as easy as it is for you to say what you've said justiceischeap Jul 2014 #44

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #78

By your illogic PCIntern Jul 2014 #85

Another load of taurine metabolic byproducts. hobbit709 Jul 2014 #12

It's not that the left defends Hamas' behavior cpwm17 Jul 2014 #13

My sympathy lies with the wounded, bereaved, and homeless. Orsino Jul 2014 #71

Not turning a blind eye toward the IDF's atrocities = "giving Hamas a free pass" alcibiades_mystery Jul 2014 #14

What an amazing inversion of reality malaise Jul 2014 #21

Yup, remove the blockade so more and better weapons in along with hardened "freedom fighters" to TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #87

Another Israeli propaganda strawman. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #15

Really? PCIntern Jul 2014 #18

Yes really. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #23

I seriously doubt that... PCIntern Jul 2014 #26

You aren't using your head, just your biases, then. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #37

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I think we ought to build a concrete wall 50 feet high around Megido Lyric Jul 2014 #17

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #19

That's how strawman arguments work. nt BillZBubb Jul 2014 #25

What does.. one_voice Jul 2014 #28

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How do you know he's not much of a... one_voice Jul 2014 #35

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Nobody gives Hamas "a free pass" Ken Burch Jul 2014 #24

I condemn Hamas for firing rockets into Israel and I condemn Hamas for... Spazito Jul 2014 #27

The only ones getting a free pass are the companies selling the weapons..... think Jul 2014 #29

+1 LAGC Jul 2014 #39

Free pass? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #31

I'm not giving Hamas a free pass JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #34

Criticizing Israel's actions maxrandb Jul 2014 #38

WTF??? BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG. Avalux Jul 2014 #42

+1000. brer cat Jul 2014 #43

One side is more wrong than the other! nt kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #59

The side that's shooting at the other is more wrong n/t Nevernose Jul 2014 #63

That changes from moment to moment... Orsino Jul 2014 #72

i'm not so sure about #2 Enrique Jul 2014 #45

No free pass from me but: TubbersUK Jul 2014 #47

is the answer, because we hate Jesus? NightWatcher Jul 2014 #50

Israel is treating Palestinians the way they have been treated. alarimer Jul 2014 #57

Let's say I accept your strawman, despite no evidence suggesting it LittleBlue Jul 2014 #58

You keep using the word "Hamas" waddirum Jul 2014 #60

Porgressives didn't fund Hamas, but Israel did eridani Jul 2014 #64

I don't think anyone is standing with Hamas. People are standing up for children and civilians!! Pisces Jul 2014 #67

I don't think most on the American left give Hamas a free pass. Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #68

Hamas get no pass from me. NCTraveler Jul 2014 #73

This American lefty doesn't give Hamas a free pass KamaAina Jul 2014 #76

Garbage in garbage out. Rex Jul 2014 #79

I don't give anybody a free pass. LWolf Jul 2014 #80

This is a big part of the problem, dichotomous thinking. Criticizing Israel's actions is NOT giving uppityperson Jul 2014 #82

I understand what you're saying... one_voice Jul 2014 #83

Because "the devil made me do it" is not an excuse whatchamacallit Jul 2014 #86