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Avalux

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42. WTF??? BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG.

Wed Jul 23, 2014, 05:12 PM

Jul 2014

It seems if I express my despair over the killing of innocent Palestinian children, I am automatically supporting Hamas and condemning Israel.

I support people - the Israelis and Palestinians who are caught up in the frenzy of violence between their leaders. The killing must stop.

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Another perspective...Why In The World Does The American Left Give Hamas A Free Pass? [View all] one_voice Jul 2014 OP

Can I just say that this issue is exhausting? And at this point, there seem to be enough bad actors Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #1

+1. freshwest Jul 2014 #61

Well said maddezmom Jul 2014 #81

That's how I feel LordGlenconner Jul 2014 #84

Because Likud is no better than Hamas in many ways. bravenak Jul 2014 #2

You can't stand with child killers, but attempted child killers are ok? Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #11

maybe Hamas is on to something with the whole idea of using innocents to shield weapons in order to one_voice Jul 2014 #20

does Hamas have any military installations in Gaza? frylock Jul 2014 #33

That notion could be one of the sickest things I have ever read here. The Stranger Jul 2014 #41

2000 rockets and exactly one casualty. So where is the military front eridani Jul 2014 #62

My problem is that i do not believe the right wing fanatical government of Israel anymore. bravenak Jul 2014 #32

Underdogma Throd Jul 2014 #3

I think it is also the black/white dichotomy Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #9

I agree. H2O Man Jul 2014 #52

It's the "playground fight" analogy customerserviceguy Jul 2014 #55

I don't. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #4

Which is the democracy and which is the terrorist organization? philosslayer Jul 2014 #77

I, for one, do not give Hamas a free pass. Maedhros Jul 2014 #5

Ostrich syndrome. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #6

You are myopic..... Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #7

Your second paragraph did not happen. ieoeja Jul 2014 #22

+1000 These are inconvenient facts for some people. tritsofme Jul 2014 #46

finally someone actually Niceguy1 Jul 2014 #53

Hamas is expected to do nothing but evil. Not so much a free pass geek tragedy Jul 2014 #8

For me it's less about Hamas than it is the Palestinian people that are innocent in all this justiceischeap Jul 2014 #10

How easy it is for you to say in the safety of your PCIntern Jul 2014 #16

And that's exactly the point here. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #40

There are no police. Who do you think is coming to arrest the bad actor? TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #48

Really? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #49

Israel is the family in the example, there is no external "police" to come and make safe the home. TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #51

Why is it not 'some small group of identifiable actors'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #54

Why? Because it isn't, the number is finite but that doesn't translate to small TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #69

I'll address your last point first. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #70

Oh, believe you think you are being honest but I am dubious of the reaction in the actual moment TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #74

Israeli police Dorian Gray Jul 2014 #65

Why not? Israeli military seem to have no trouble Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #66

Most nations Dorian Gray Jul 2014 #75

Yes, just as easy as it is for you to say what you've said justiceischeap Jul 2014 #44

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #78

By your illogic PCIntern Jul 2014 #85

Another load of taurine metabolic byproducts. hobbit709 Jul 2014 #12

It's not that the left defends Hamas' behavior cpwm17 Jul 2014 #13

My sympathy lies with the wounded, bereaved, and homeless. Orsino Jul 2014 #71

Not turning a blind eye toward the IDF's atrocities = "giving Hamas a free pass" alcibiades_mystery Jul 2014 #14

What an amazing inversion of reality malaise Jul 2014 #21

Yup, remove the blockade so more and better weapons in along with hardened "freedom fighters" to TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #87

Another Israeli propaganda strawman. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #15

Really? PCIntern Jul 2014 #18

Yes really. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #23

I seriously doubt that... PCIntern Jul 2014 #26

You aren't using your head, just your biases, then. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #37

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I think we ought to build a concrete wall 50 feet high around Megido Lyric Jul 2014 #17

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #19

That's how strawman arguments work. nt BillZBubb Jul 2014 #25

What does.. one_voice Jul 2014 #28

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How do you know he's not much of a... one_voice Jul 2014 #35

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Nobody gives Hamas "a free pass" Ken Burch Jul 2014 #24

I condemn Hamas for firing rockets into Israel and I condemn Hamas for... Spazito Jul 2014 #27

The only ones getting a free pass are the companies selling the weapons..... think Jul 2014 #29

+1 LAGC Jul 2014 #39

Free pass? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #31

I'm not giving Hamas a free pass JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #34

Criticizing Israel's actions maxrandb Jul 2014 #38

WTF??? BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG. Avalux Jul 2014 #42

+1000. brer cat Jul 2014 #43

One side is more wrong than the other! nt kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #59

The side that's shooting at the other is more wrong n/t Nevernose Jul 2014 #63

That changes from moment to moment... Orsino Jul 2014 #72

i'm not so sure about #2 Enrique Jul 2014 #45

No free pass from me but: TubbersUK Jul 2014 #47

is the answer, because we hate Jesus? NightWatcher Jul 2014 #50

Israel is treating Palestinians the way they have been treated. alarimer Jul 2014 #57

Let's say I accept your strawman, despite no evidence suggesting it LittleBlue Jul 2014 #58

You keep using the word "Hamas" waddirum Jul 2014 #60

Porgressives didn't fund Hamas, but Israel did eridani Jul 2014 #64

I don't think anyone is standing with Hamas. People are standing up for children and civilians!! Pisces Jul 2014 #67

I don't think most on the American left give Hamas a free pass. Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #68

Hamas get no pass from me. NCTraveler Jul 2014 #73

This American lefty doesn't give Hamas a free pass KamaAina Jul 2014 #76

Garbage in garbage out. Rex Jul 2014 #79

I don't give anybody a free pass. LWolf Jul 2014 #80

This is a big part of the problem, dichotomous thinking. Criticizing Israel's actions is NOT giving uppityperson Jul 2014 #82

I understand what you're saying... one_voice Jul 2014 #83

Because "the devil made me do it" is not an excuse whatchamacallit Jul 2014 #86