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joshcryer

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93. Please don't essentially call me stupid. You have yet to show how a tax credit is comparable...

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:42 AM

Apr 2012

...to a fine.

Would you say "single payer" was a mandate if, when you paid your taxes, you got a credit for doing so? And, if you didn't pay your taxes you just lost the "single payer" card that you could carry around?

That's why the Republican "mandate" is regressive.

Or perhaps you don't know what an incentive is, that would mean you would get some sort of reward for doing something you don't have to do, like if I have insurance, I get a tax break

That is precisely what the Heritage Foundation proposed! You buy health insurance, you get a tax break. I agree with you. That's an incentive.

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OK, communication. But without some "leverage" on your side, what power does that have? Bonobo Apr 2012 #67

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Well, I would rather an admited left of center rebel stay and a proud former freeper RWer get canned Dragonfli Apr 2012 #66

A left of center "rebel" who repeatedly posts right wing sources? joshcryer Apr 2012 #81

You mean like the ones admitting where the Individual mandate came from? Dragonfli Apr 2012 #84

Nope. The ones that compared the "tax credit" mandate to a "fines" mandate. joshcryer Apr 2012 #87

Um, they are both fines, and the plan was a right wing idea for over 20 years, you like semantic Dragonfli Apr 2012 #90

No they are not. One is an incentive one is a fine. joshcryer Apr 2012 #91

I can't discuss this with you because you need to understand Dragonfli Apr 2012 #92

Please don't essentially call me stupid. You have yet to show how a tax credit is comparable... joshcryer Apr 2012 #93

So you are claiming the Heritage Foundation plan is more liberal? Dragonfli Apr 2012 #94

Haha, a "tax break" is not liberal. It's regressive. joshcryer Apr 2012 #95

A tax break is more liberal than a tax fine as an enforcement, They 93 law was a more liberal Dragonfli Apr 2012 #99

It was a Presidential Primary 2008 idea. joshcryer Apr 2012 #101

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