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261. Not really my thing one way or the other, but

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Thu Jul 24, 2014, 12:38 AM

Jul 2014

The inability to distinguish the number 6 from the number 10 does make one wonder about their arguments.

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Core Truths: 10 Common GMO Claims Debunked [View all] Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 OP

An arctic golden sounds delicious. JaneyVee Jul 2014 #1

5 digit produce PLU that starts with an 8 = NO SALE MohRokTah Jul 2014 #2

First off, that PLU thing isn't 100% accurate. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #3

You failed to read your own link. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #4

It seems to me that Conservatives don't trust science, liberals don't trust technology. nt el_bryanto Jul 2014 #5

I'd say it's all over the place... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #7

I don't trust multi national corporations. Notafraidtoo Jul 2014 #183

GMO =/= Monsanto... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #187

This message was self-deleted by its author sammy27932003 Jul 2014 #237

It's not the technology I distrust. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author sammy27932003 Jul 2014 #236

As far as generalizations go customerserviceguy Jul 2014 #14

You failed to read the whole thing... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #6

I buy organic only MohRokTah Jul 2014 #8

I don't eat glyphosate... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #10

Oh, you eat glyphosate. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #11

Water is a chemical... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #12

So now you play the semantics game. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #15

Enjoy sniffing your corks! N/T Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #17

Enjoy surviving. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #18

Just remember, you're in the anti-science camp... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #19

WRONG! MohRokTah Jul 2014 #20

You are anti-science Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #21

your are anti science wisechoice Jul 2014 #24

770 peer-reviewed, independent publicly funded studies Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #31

You have no answer to you corporate masters misusing technology MohRokTah Jul 2014 #30

Wow are you ever taking this personally! lexx21 Jul 2014 #89

What a pity "you could give 2 shits about Monsanto". WCLinolVir Jul 2014 #138

So accusing those, mostly Liberals who tend to be more informed about these things, sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #28

Denying science is NOT "more informed" Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #32

Link to one study where the seeds were provided with no agreement attached. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #52

Now there's the ultimate tautologic argument. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #80

You are really reaching on that one bud. lexx21 Jul 2014 #91

what a logic wisechoice Jul 2014 #95

That is the most bogus statement I ever upaloopa Jul 2014 #83

"organic" is a marketing term, nothing more. alarimer Jul 2014 #36

Certified organic has a definition MohRokTah Jul 2014 #41

The point is not only are not all GMO foods labeled that way hack89 Jul 2014 #74

K&R for Richard Dawkins, a champion of logic and reason. nt conservaphobe Jul 2014 #13

DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2014 #16

Malarkey ! Duppers Jul 2014 #22

Science is not rightwing propaganda. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #23

you are anti science wisechoice Jul 2014 #26

You, apparently, did not read the article that was posted... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #33

AGRA companies can and do censor the work of these independent researchers. pnwmom Jul 2014 #27

What you are referring to is seed BEFORE it hits the market... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #34

No, I'm saying that the 770 studies -- I'll have to take your word on the number, since it's not pnwmom Jul 2014 #38

Great job pointing out it is the quality of the study suffragette Jul 2014 #175

Thanks, suffragette! pnwmom Jul 2014 #181

Your subject line is not what I said! Duppers Jul 2014 #72

Whole Foods likes to call GMO foods 'natural.' roody Jul 2014 #213

It's right-wing propaganda when it doesn't fit your preconceived notions. alarimer Jul 2014 #37

It is right-wing corporate propaganda to pretend that it doesn't matter pnwmom Jul 2014 #39

I eat carrots. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #55

grief. I am not opposed to all GMO. Duppers Jul 2014 #77

If they're so wonderful, they should be happy to label them then. pnwmom Jul 2014 #25

+1 I am having a hard time understanding the vehement stand against labeling. Live and Learn Jul 2014 #29

Define GMO MattBaggins Jul 2014 #43

There is little controversy in the definition. pnwmom Jul 2014 #45

Oh great so you get to define your competitors products and exclude your own MattBaggins Jul 2014 #47

Was a nectarine developed in a laboratory? No, a nectarine isn't a GMO pnwmom Jul 2014 #48

If I use a specialized a "gun" to put plum DNA into a peach it is a GMO MattBaggins Jul 2014 #50

No, cross pollination is NOT genetic modification. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #53

Yes cross pollination is genetic modification MattBaggins Jul 2014 #98

Please, stop spreading falsehoods. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #101

BULLSHIT MattBaggins Jul 2014 #111

Bzzzzzzt MohRokTah Jul 2014 #112

It is not well defined MattBaggins Jul 2014 #140

It is very well defined and you damned well know it. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #142

It is fair enough as a textbook collection of modern ways to change the genotype of an organism MattBaggins Jul 2014 #150

So, when confronted with the real defnition, you continue to attempt to redefine MohRokTah Jul 2014 #156

I reject your definition as a good one for public policy MattBaggins Jul 2014 #161

I reject your attempt at redefinition as nothing more than attempt to cloud the discussion MohRokTah Jul 2014 #164

My definition of GMO is the standard one. You're trying to stretch it to include pnwmom Jul 2014 #57

No your defenition is not even remotely a standard one. MattBaggins Jul 2014 #100

FALSE MohRokTah Jul 2014 #102

Yes that is your made up term MattBaggins Jul 2014 #114

That is what genetic engineers define as genetic modification MohRokTah Jul 2014 #116

That is where it is a made up term. Arbitrary MattBaggins Jul 2014 #166

Dude, ALL TERMS ARE MADE UP! MohRokTah Jul 2014 #169

Which is why it is a bad term for public policy MattBaggins Jul 2014 #179

Clearly defined terms are the BEST terms for public policy. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #184

It's clearly defined yet still deficient MattBaggins Jul 2014 #185

No, it doesn't. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #186

Good luck with that, Hans Brinker MattBaggins Jul 2014 #190

Mine is the definition in any dictionary or scientific reference. You should try looking it up. pnwmom Jul 2014 #157

You know why people want GMO labeling joeglow3 Jul 2014 #124

The vast majority of GMO food has done nothing to improve production MohRokTah Jul 2014 #130

Wow. joeglow3 Jul 2014 #132

Links please. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #135

Wow.....simply wow joeglow3 Jul 2014 #192

I noticed how many fail the first world vs third world GMO test MattBaggins Jul 2014 #149

Avoiding it is wrong? wisechoice Jul 2014 #211

On what basis do you say it does more harm than good? MattBaggins Jul 2014 #215

I am at a loss as to why a few liberals like you side with the right-wing pnwmom Jul 2014 #159

Really? I'll give you a clue - the answer is in this thread joeglow3 Jul 2014 #191

My immediate and extended family is full of of completely sane scientists and engineers pnwmom Jul 2014 #199

Allergens can harm and kill you MattBaggins Jul 2014 #216

people don't fear science wisechoice Jul 2014 #218

No one knows what effects particular GMO's may have because the companies pnwmom Jul 2014 #220

Not true. HuckleB Jul 2014 #244

You certainly appear to be moving the goalposts both quickly and deftly with each response you recei LanternWaste Jul 2014 #51

Either they know better than we do what is good for us, pnwmom Jul 2014 #46

Does your hippy dippy organic wine maker MattBaggins Jul 2014 #56

And now you resort to hippy punching. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #58

Every food item would not have to bear the GMO label, but you are correct pnwmom Jul 2014 #59

Nearly every processed food in most grocery stores would have to bear the label MohRokTah Jul 2014 #60

That's true. But most of the public would quickly get over it because the alternative pnwmom Jul 2014 #65

Will the "I don't understand genetics" crowd start ripping the insulin out of my hand? MattBaggins Jul 2014 #107

No one wants to take away your insulin. n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #109

It's a product from a GMO and GMOs are scary MattBaggins Jul 2014 #117

Insulin is not a food. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #119

And? MattBaggins Jul 2014 #129

Yes, and that is a discssion for you to have with your prescribing doctor MohRokTah Jul 2014 #131

Why would they have to rip it out of your hands to put a label on it? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #128

I have a biology degree. MattBaggins Jul 2014 #134

Most of the time, I've noticed that patients don't read much of the labels. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #136

Still doesn't answer MattBaggins Jul 2014 #143

I don't see how 'labeling implies it's unsafe'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #146

+1 Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #81

Which types of GMO? MattBaggins Jul 2014 #110

Please stop using falsehoods in support of your position. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #113

It has not been proven to be a falsehood MattBaggins Jul 2014 #121

You are the one making up a definition. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #125

And it is great for a general science definiton MattBaggins Jul 2014 #133

And now you once again move goal posts. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #137

I am moving those goal posts MattBaggins Jul 2014 #144

I seriously doubt if you understand genetics given many of your statements. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #151

I'm just going to LoL at that. MattBaggins Jul 2014 #153

LOL all you want MohRokTah Jul 2014 #158

Hybridization IS genetic modification. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #147

No, it is NOT! MohRokTah Jul 2014 #152

Reading comprehension? Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #160

Reading conmprehension: MohRokTah Jul 2014 #163

Is a cross bred orange's DNA the SAME as the original species? Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #165

Now you've blatantly demonstrated an ignorance of genetics MohRokTah Jul 2014 #167

Organic has a LEGAL definition thanks to misinformation and lobbying by the "health food" industry. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #172

Organic has a chemical definition, too. Benzene, asphalt, plastic and a host of other chemicals are MohRokTah Jul 2014 #173

Then why do you keep clamoring on about "organic"? Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #188

Certified Organic Food also has a very clear definition. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #189

poison is organic wisechoice Jul 2014 #196

It is modification MattBaggins Jul 2014 #203

Typically, Genetic Modification goes outside of the phylum. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #209

So you admit you have an organism that has been genetically modified MattBaggins Jul 2014 #214

Hybridization DOES NOT genetically modify an organism MohRokTah Jul 2014 #217

You have never taken a biology course have you MattBaggins Jul 2014 #225

Biology was required for my biochemistry minor. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #226

So you seem to be admitting that it is the tools that scare you MattBaggins Jul 2014 #201

Nothing about GMOs scare me. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #207

yes it scares me wisechoice Jul 2014 #212

hybridization IS recombinant DNA-- it's the original recombination.... mike_c Jul 2014 #223

You need to hit the books, professor. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #224

That is not what people are talking about and you know it. laundry_queen Jul 2014 #228

They are being anti-science with their definitions, too. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #230

Well, that would be none of them then. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #123

That information has to be correct and fair MattBaggins Jul 2014 #145

fair? There's nothing 'fair' about information. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #162

Fair can be used with the term information MattBaggins Jul 2014 #204

Those nectarines MattBaggins Jul 2014 #103

Necatarines are not genetically modified. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #115

Yes they are MattBaggins Jul 2014 #126

No they aren't MohRokTah Jul 2014 #127

Yes they will suffer because idiots like Mercola have spent decades MattBaggins Jul 2014 #104

Then fight Mercola, not labeling. n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #105

Why not fight both? HuckleB Jul 2014 #250

Because there's no reason to fight truth-in-labeling. pnwmom Jul 2014 #256

Wow, you are such an antagonistic piece of ... work. closeupready Jul 2014 #67

Big Organic spends money fighting the labeling, too... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #35

That anti-labeling argument is the same right-wing argument that's put forth pnwmom Jul 2014 #42

"ALL food is GMO in one way or another." MohRokTah Jul 2014 #62

Sure it can. It genes were modified. jeff47 Jul 2014 #257

"If you have nothing to fear, you have nothing to hide." Orrex Jul 2014 #40

People buy things every day that may not be safe for them, and they know it. pnwmom Jul 2014 #44

What qualifies as GMO under your proposed guidelines? Orrex Jul 2014 #61

Foods produced using genetic engineering techniques as defined by pnwmom Jul 2014 #64

Demonstrate that the benefit outweighs the cost, and companies will volunteer Orrex Jul 2014 #68

Forget it. Companies rarely think that protecting human lives is worth the cost. pnwmom Jul 2014 #93

I'm not twisting your words Orrex Jul 2014 #96

Don't you remember when producers were fighting against organic companies pnwmom Jul 2014 #108

Not really. Orrex Jul 2014 #118

rBGH is a genetically engineered hormone that was given to cows to increase their milk. pnwmom Jul 2014 #221

Maybe this is why the GMO lovers are roody Jul 2014 #229

They're worried about the referendum in Oregon, for one thing. And they don't pnwmom Jul 2014 #232

Yes, because we are now looking at baseless fear as a basis for legislation. HuckleB Jul 2014 #254

Organic food CANNOT be GMO MohRokTah Jul 2014 #69

Define organic. Orrex Jul 2014 #70

So now you are attempting to change the definition of genetic modification to include MohRokTah Jul 2014 #71

Define organic. Orrex Jul 2014 #73

Don't attempt to redefine organic MohRokTah Jul 2014 #75

I don't care to argue with luddites, if that's what you mean by lazy Orrex Jul 2014 #79

And now you resort to flinging ad homminems. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #82

Dismissing anything associated with "big ag" is an ad hominem Orrex Jul 2014 #85

And now you try to redefine "ad hominem" MohRokTah Jul 2014 #86

It seemed fitting, since you seem not to know what it means. Orrex Jul 2014 #87

I'm now confused. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #88

Don't be disingenuous Orrex Jul 2014 #90

Wow. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #97

What is factually wrong about what I wrote? Orrex Jul 2014 #106

USDA Organic Standards roody Jul 2014 #233

WE. DON'T. WANT. IT. There is no "science" to prove that we do. nt Romulox Jul 2014 #49

IF GMO was such a wonderful product, the sweet corn growers would not have rejected it. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #54

The Big Thing Here RadicalGeek Jul 2014 #63

It is pretty shocking laundry_queen Jul 2014 #235

Or the fact that it's food-related RadicalGeek Jul 2014 #238

We will do what we want to your food for our profit and you will accept it... L0oniX Jul 2014 #66

Just label food so people know what they are buying abelenkpe Jul 2014 #76

Only if you include All altered foods MattBaggins Jul 2014 #180

What a hilariously predictable OP, and right on time, right after something was djean111 Jul 2014 #78

And then they fail to return to answer to the facts. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #84

It's the new "Woo" Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #92

I know that is what they are trying to do, but my self-esteem is quite intact! djean111 Jul 2014 #94

It's sort of like people who are anti-marriage equality. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #99

Of course, it's nothing at all like that. Orrex Jul 2014 #120

The comparison is completely fair MohRokTah Jul 2014 #122

You are equating your quaint science denialism with decades of society-wide persecution Orrex Jul 2014 #139

Nobody is denying science. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #141

Yes, you are. Orrex Jul 2014 #148

No, I am making a lifestyle choice MohRokTah Jul 2014 #154

It would be even more convenient to ignore everything you write. Orrex Jul 2014 #168

Stop calling me an anti-vaxxer, we'll discuss anything further MohRokTah Jul 2014 #171

I haven't called you an anti-vaxer in this discussion. Orrex Jul 2014 #174

There you go, you anti-lifestyle-choicer MohRokTah Jul 2014 #176

Well, that's simply a lie Orrex Jul 2014 #193

No, I accept science as is. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #205

That's shifting the goalposts Orrex Jul 2014 #208

And I still support the right to know. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #210

Why didn't you want to know the technology used to create plants before GMOs? HuckleB Jul 2014 #242

Label all foods clearly as containing GMO or not. Let me decide what to feed my family. peacebird Jul 2014 #155

You already have that option. Orrex Jul 2014 #170

Not my 'convenience', as a consumer I should have a right to know what is in my food. peacebird Jul 2014 #177

Can you demand to know the day of the week on which it was harvested? Orrex Jul 2014 #194

Actually, that is a good idea. Why not? nt Live and Learn Jul 2014 #234

So, you really don't give one care about food security? HuckleB Jul 2014 #255

I don't think the date it was picked on is irrelevant at all. Live and Learn Jul 2014 #260

This is the standard argument against labeling. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #178

That's your first semi-reasonable post in this discussion so far Orrex Jul 2014 #198

Here is a "compelling" reason: SomethingFishy Jul 2014 #182

You have the right to lnow Orrex Jul 2014 #195

So caring about my health is "self-righteous" SomethingFishy Jul 2014 #197

No. Orrex Jul 2014 #200

LMAO.... SomethingFishy Jul 2014 #202

Your paranoia doesn't offend me in the slightest Orrex Jul 2014 #206

You're wrong and you damned we'll know it MohRokTah Jul 2014 #219

+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Jul 2014 #253

everything you eat is genetically modified unless you're eating a very strict, wild diet.... mike_c Jul 2014 #222

False wisechoice Jul 2014 #227

Not false. HuckleB Jul 2014 #243

Your claims are demonstrably false. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #231

His claim is correct. HuckleB Jul 2014 #241

Industrial propaganda is not evidence. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #246

I'm sorry to tell you that reality is not "industrial propaganda." HuckleB Jul 2014 #247

When you link to a site that is nothing more than propaganda for.. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #249

You can call it whatever you want to call it. HuckleB Jul 2014 #251

Wow, what a thread! Rex Jul 2014 #239

Labeling the technology that led to the food gives you no information of value. HuckleB Jul 2014 #252

This is a really good piece. I'm happy to see some DUers who go with science. HuckleB Jul 2014 #240

Why do you feel a pressing need to shove this corporate bullshit down our throats? nt Zorra Jul 2014 #245

It's the science of the matter. HuckleB Jul 2014 #248

It's just the latest round of Luddites. jeff47 Jul 2014 #258

+A Brazilian! n/t Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #259

Not really my thing one way or the other, but MFrohike Jul 2014 #261

Something happened to the article... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #262

Alas, people don't want information on this issue. HuckleB Jul 2014 #263