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In reply to the discussion: FBI Entrapment Created 'Illusion' of Terrorist Plots: Report [View all]Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)51. And apparently a jury of 12 people didn't agree with Glenn Greenwald, who is one.
Out here in reality, if the FBI had been able to run a similar sting on Adam Lanza and prevent those 20 6 year olds from being brutally gunned down in their elementary school... similar outrage? why I never harumph harumph this poor young man railroaded harumph
give me a break.
And then Greenwald in his own words, spends half of his asinine salon article patiently explaining to us stupid Merkins that the people who would blow up families with strollers at a tree lighting ceremony... well, see, they have reasons that they think justify these actions! They have a rationale for why they want to blow innocent families up!
Finally, there is, as usual, no discussion whatsoever in media accounts of motive. There are several statements attributed to Mohamud by the Affidavit that should be repellent to any decent person, including complete apathy even delight at the prospect that this bomb would kill innocent people, including children. What would drive a 19-year-old American citizen living in the U.S. since the age of 3 to that level of sociopathic indifference? He explained it himself in several passages quoted by the FBI, and if it werent for the virtual media blackout of this issue this line of reasoning would be extremely familiar to Americans by now (para. 45):
Undercover FBI Agent: You know theres gonna be a lot of children there?
Mohamud: Yeah, I know, thats what Im looking for.
Undercover FBI Agent: For kids?
Mohamud: No, just for, in general a huge mass that will, like for them you know to be attacked in their own element with their families celebrating the holidays. And then for later to be saying, this was them for you to refrain from killing our children, women . . . . so when they hear all these families were killed in such a city, theyll say you know what your actions, you know they will stop, you know. And its not fair that they should do that to people and not feeling it.
Undercover FBI Agent: You know theres gonna be a lot of children there?
Mohamud: Yeah, I know, thats what Im looking for.
Undercover FBI Agent: For kids?
Mohamud: No, just for, in general a huge mass that will, like for them you know to be attacked in their own element with their families celebrating the holidays. And then for later to be saying, this was them for you to refrain from killing our children, women . . . . so when they hear all these families were killed in such a city, theyll say you know what your actions, you know they will stop, you know. And its not fair that they should do that to people and not feeling it.
How can you arrest them, persecute them, heaven forfend put them in prison, when they have a well-thought out and crafted bullshit series of justifications for wanting to blow your sorry ass up, you silly stroller-pushing 'merkin, you? I mean, it's not like they're just making this stuff up as they go along!
We hear the same exact thing over and over and over from accused Terrorists that they are attempting to carry out plots in retaliation for past and ongoing American violence against Muslim civilians and to deter such future acts. Here we find one of the great mysteries in American political culture: that the U.S. Government dispatches its military all over the world invading, occupying, and bombing multiple Muslim countries torturing them, imprisoning them without charges, shooting them up at checkpoints, sending remote-controlled drones to explode their homes, imposing sanctions that starve hundreds of thousands of children to death and Americans are then baffled when some Muslims an amazingly small percentage harbor anger and vengeance toward them and want to return the violence.
Not only did we never think of that, herp derp, but that totally makes it okay.
But Greenwald - who I sometimes agree with, BTW - can't have it both ways. He can't argue that Mohamud was some innocent kid, some hapless dupe who had no idea what he was doing until the FBI tricked him into setting off a fake bomb, and then also argue that his brilliant rationale for wanting to kill all these innocent kids - you know, the ones he didn't "actually" want to kill, right? - deserves a better and fair hearing.
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Mix in Secret Government and Spherical Snooping and its MONEY for those in the know.
Octafish
Jul 2014
#10
How FBI Entrapment Is Inventing 'Terrorists' - and Letting Bad Guys Off the Hook
Octafish
Jul 2014
#13
Ironic. While very conservative, the FBI Agent Donald Adams was quite a compelling person.
Octafish
Jul 2014
#62
I'm more worried about the Feds arresting cancer grannies for growing pot
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2014
#43
Like DCI William Colby said re Sam Giancana: ''We had nothing to do with that.''
Octafish
Jul 2014
#35
How else can the establishment (TPTB) justify its humongous anti-terraist budget and its
indepat
Jul 2014
#17
You mean the creep who WILLINGLY pressed a button convinced he was going to blow up a crowd
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2014
#42
Mohamud: "I want whoever is attending that event to leave, to leave either dead or injured"
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2014
#45
And apparently a jury of 12 people didn't agree with Glenn Greenwald, who is one.
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2014
#51
I wouldn't. But this guy did considerably more than that. And I have to believe you grasp that fact.
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2014
#53
Back in the 80s a major drug bust went haywire as it turned out ALL of the players were cops....
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2014
#63
entrapment laws are a lot like vacation laws, maternity leave laws, sick pay laws
Adam051188
Aug 2014
#76