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Warren DeMontague

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51. And apparently a jury of 12 people didn't agree with Glenn Greenwald, who is one.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 02:25 AM
Jul 2014

Out here in reality, if the FBI had been able to run a similar sting on Adam Lanza and prevent those 20 6 year olds from being brutally gunned down in their elementary school... similar outrage? why I never harumph harumph this poor young man railroaded harumph

give me a break.

And then Greenwald in his own words, spends half of his asinine salon article patiently explaining to us stupid Merkins that the people who would blow up families with strollers at a tree lighting ceremony... well, see, they have reasons that they think justify these actions! They have a rationale for why they want to blow innocent families up!


Finally, there is, as usual, no discussion whatsoever in media accounts of motive. There are several statements attributed to Mohamud by the Affidavit that should be repellent to any decent person, including complete apathy — even delight — at the prospect that this bomb would kill innocent people, including children. What would drive a 19-year-old American citizen — living in the U.S. since the age of 3 — to that level of sociopathic indifference? He explained it himself in several passages quoted by the FBI, and — if it weren’t for the virtual media blackout of this issue — this line of reasoning would be extremely familiar to Americans by now (para. 45):

Undercover FBI Agent: You know there’s gonna be a lot of children there?

Mohamud: Yeah, I know, that’s what I’m looking for.

Undercover FBI Agent: For kids?

Mohamud: No, just for, in general a huge mass that will, like for them you know to be attacked in their own element with their families celebrating the holidays. And then for later to be saying, this was them for you to refrain from killing our children, women . . . . so when they hear all these families were killed in such a city, they’ll say you know what your actions, you know they will stop, you know. And it’s not fair that they should do that to people and not feeling it.



How can you arrest them, persecute them, heaven forfend put them in prison, when they have a well-thought out and crafted bullshit series of justifications for wanting to blow your sorry ass up, you silly stroller-pushing 'merkin, you? I mean, it's not like they're just making this stuff up as they go along!


We hear the same exact thing over and over and over from accused Terrorists — that they are attempting to carry out plots in retaliation for past and ongoing American violence against Muslim civilians and to deter such future acts. Here we find one of the great mysteries in American political culture: that the U.S. Government dispatches its military all over the world — invading, occupying, and bombing multiple Muslim countries — torturing them, imprisoning them without charges, shooting them up at checkpoints, sending remote-controlled drones to explode their homes, imposing sanctions that starve hundreds of thousands of children to death — and Americans are then baffled when some Muslims — an amazingly small percentage — harbor anger and vengeance toward them and want to return the violence.

Not only did we never think of that, herp derp, but that totally makes it okay.



But Greenwald - who I sometimes agree with, BTW - can't have it both ways. He can't argue that Mohamud was some innocent kid, some hapless dupe who had no idea what he was doing until the FBI tricked him into setting off a fake bomb, and then also argue that his brilliant rationale for wanting to kill all these innocent kids - you know, the ones he didn't "actually" want to kill, right? - deserves a better and fair hearing.
You can't have a security-based economy without some insecurity. arcane1 Jul 2014 #1
+1 Enthusiast Jul 2014 #6
Mix in Secret Government and Spherical Snooping and its MONEY for those in the know. Octafish Jul 2014 #10
So on-point. +1 Ed Suspicious Jul 2014 #37
i believe it renegade000 Jul 2014 #2
It's been brought up. More a testament to our weak political will DirkGently Jul 2014 #3
And in at least one case gratuitous Jul 2014 #5
The Informants: Terrorists for the FBI Octafish Jul 2014 #11
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #27
Just watched the Newburgh Sting on HBO JaneyVee Jul 2014 #4
Thank you for the heads-up, JaneyVee! Will viddy. Octafish Jul 2014 #12
It was really good. The whole thing was a JaneyVee Jul 2014 #18
Trained by Hoover Octafish Jul 2014 #20
+1! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #26
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #7
How FBI Entrapment Is Inventing 'Terrorists' - and Letting Bad Guys Off the Hook Octafish Jul 2014 #13
This is a clear abuse of power. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #23
Management seems to especially reward those who go along. Octafish Jul 2014 #25
Hoover.....a great American. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #28
Not all apples are rotten. Octafish Jul 2014 #31
Thanks. Geez. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #32
"Agent Donald Adams" Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #55
Ironic. While very conservative, the FBI Agent Donald Adams was quite a compelling person. Octafish Jul 2014 #62
I'm more worried about the Feds arresting cancer grannies for growing pot Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #43
Well I'm shocked. Aerows Jul 2014 #8
That's the idea, Citizen. Octafish Jul 2014 #16
That is so fucking ugly. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #24
You always post the most Aerows Jul 2014 #48
This is reported once or twice a year the last few years johnnyreb Jul 2014 #9
Church Committee in 1976 reported CIA manipulated US Press... Octafish Jul 2014 #19
Jimmy Hoffa and the Church Committee MinM Jul 2014 #33
Like DCI William Colby said re Sam Giancana: ''We had nothing to do with that.'' Octafish Jul 2014 #35
@SpyTalker: William E. #Colby: The Gray Man MinM Jul 2014 #40
Philippines is how we got this way. Octafish Jul 2014 #60
Nixon talks about getting kickbacks from the Teamsters MinM Jul 2014 #56
Wealth and Crime often are co-dependent... Octafish Jul 2014 #59
Bebe Rebozo and his Pan American Airways Peeps MinM Jul 2014 #65
Wired: Pan Am & the CIA MinM Aug 2014 #67
Joseph & Stewart Alsop MinM Jul 2014 #66
Alsop's Fables .. "I'm Glad the CIA is Immoral" MinM Aug 2014 #68
Frank Wisner, Jr. today is a player... Octafish Aug 2014 #70
Frank Lowenstein MinM Aug 2014 #77
Absolutely, MinM. Octafish Aug 2014 #78
Some DUers pointed that out from day one malaise Jul 2014 #14
40 Years for Justice: Did the FBI Cover for the Birmingham Bombers? Octafish Jul 2014 #30
It worked so well with the Green Scare. joshcryer Jul 2014 #15
Exactly. LeftyMom Jul 2014 #22
Finally we agree on something. n/t Aerows Jul 2014 #49
How else can the establishment (TPTB) justify its humongous anti-terraist budget and its indepat Jul 2014 #17
That really is the heart of the matter... Octafish Jul 2014 #39
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #21
The Fear Factory Octafish Jul 2014 #58
Thank you for your many good works, Octafish. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #61
I don't really buy the premise Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #29
Conversely, I can't imagine myself offering someone money to blow up people sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #38
Huge K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #34
Bad blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #36
They railroaded a kid here in Oregon. JEB Jul 2014 #41
You mean the creep who WILLINGLY pressed a button convinced he was going to blow up a crowd Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #42
The confused inept kid would have had no button to push without the FBI. JEB Jul 2014 #44
Mohamud: "I want whoever is attending that event to leave, to leave either dead or injured" Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #45
Bad thoughts, indeed. JEB Jul 2014 #46
He'll have plenty of time to work on his own head, now. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #47
The FBI successfully thwarts its own Terrorist plot JEB Jul 2014 #50
And apparently a jury of 12 people didn't agree with Glenn Greenwald, who is one. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #51
Well, if wanting to kill someone is a crime JEB Jul 2014 #52
I wouldn't. But this guy did considerably more than that. And I have to believe you grasp that fact. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #53
This explains how a guy could lock himself out of his car. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #54
Really? Maybe this will help: King Rats Octafish Jul 2014 #57
Back in the 80s a major drug bust went haywire as it turned out ALL of the players were cops.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #63
Hoover's FBI infilitrated CPUSA... Octafish Aug 2014 #71
I know we had former SS working for us during the Cold War... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #72
Ours were infiltrated by Moscow... Octafish Aug 2014 #74
Yeah,....that's what happens when Right Wingers get together.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #75
All This Is Why I Think Police Stings Should Be Banned. Wolf Frankula Jul 2014 #64
Pretty much off topic, Trillo Aug 2014 #69
And how many times does it have to be exposed? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #73
entrapment laws are a lot like vacation laws, maternity leave laws, sick pay laws Adam051188 Aug 2014 #76
Look at that, we found a new low. Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #79
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