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Bonobo

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26. Actually I knew you would say that.

Fri Jul 25, 2014, 12:34 AM

Jul 2014

The thing is that studies and surveys can all be manipulated as well.

But you have been told over and over and over by long-time smokers in thread after thread on this subject that e-cigs were the only thing that helped them quit after trying for so long. I mean so many people have told you.... I am starting to believe that you have some kind of problem with the way e-gigs users look or the way you perceive them "flaunting" their behavior or something... and then you are just looking and looking and digging and digging to justify what is actually a really personal hangup you have.

You need to listen a little more. If you are not a smoker and you have never had to try to quit, you really do need to listen and stop it.

That is my 2 dollars (as opposed to 2 cents)

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Tell Young People the Truth: E-Cigarettes and Vaping Flavors Help People Quit Smoking (Alternet) [View all] Prophet 451 Jul 2014 OP

Where is the research that shows that? I'm glad it's working for you, pnwmom Jul 2014 #1

E-Cigarette companies target audience is almost 100% young people. onehandle Jul 2014 #2

Wrong. E-cigs' target audience is nearly 100% adult smokers meow2u3 Jul 2014 #129

How many smokers need to tell you Bonobo Jul 2014 #3

Smokers and cigarette companies have ALWAYS made claims about cigarettes that weren't true. pnwmom Jul 2014 #23

Actually I knew you would say that. Bonobo Jul 2014 #26

I will support every effort to get these things in the hands of smokers to help them stop, pnwmom Jul 2014 #34

Which public places? U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #35

Indoor public places -- the same places cigarettes are banned from. pnwmom Jul 2014 #38

Beaches? Parks? U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #40

Personally, I mostly don't care about outdoor places, though it's no fun running a gauntlet pnwmom Jul 2014 #44

What does that have to do with e-cigs? Mariana Jul 2014 #47

Steam is quite capable of carrying nicotine and contaminants into lungs. pnwmom Jul 2014 #57

The e-juice most vapers use contains 4-5 ingredients U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #71

Let the producers submit their research to the FDA for its review. pnwmom Jul 2014 #95

BZZZT! Treant Jul 2014 #92

This researcher disagrees with you. pnwmom Jul 2014 #107

Not trying to be picky, but that last quote: did you c&p that, or re-type it? politicat Jul 2014 #118

I think it was the reporter's error. This wasn't a peer reviewed article. It was a MSM report. n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #126

Glantz is a anti-nicotine crusader vapers call ANTZ meow2u3 Jul 2014 #134

Cool, I (and most vapers) have no problem with not vaping indoors U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #51

I would agree to the marketing to kids but not to the ban in public places. Bonobo Jul 2014 #36

What gives you the right to vape your nicotine device in indoor public places? pnwmom Jul 2014 #39

What gives you the right to wear perfume? Bonobo Jul 2014 #45

I don't. n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #58

I don't believe you. Treant Jul 2014 #80

When I'm blowing clouds of perfume "steam" at you, you have a right to complain. n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #81

I'm complaining now. Treant Jul 2014 #84

Good luck with getting your law through any legislature. pnwmom Jul 2014 #85

I don't believe you. Treant Jul 2014 #88

Wrong again. A food by definition includes beverages. pnwmom Jul 2014 #104

But are you good on banning perfume & cologne in public indoor spaces? U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #89

Duplicity, of course. Treant Jul 2014 #90

Don't get drawn in U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #94

It just did get boring. Treant Jul 2014 #100

When did I ever propose that? n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #105

It's actually already passed one house committee, there will be folks knocking for you in months snooper2 Jul 2014 #113

Lots of them have zero nicotine. Mariana Jul 2014 #48

I'm close! Treant Jul 2014 #93

I would ban them from indoor places because when someone is vaping pnwmom Jul 2014 #106

Getting back on, you know, actual topic Treant Jul 2014 #97

Why would they conclude that? A good marketing push Mojorabbit Jul 2014 #4

It is hard to believe that edgineered Jul 2014 #5

Then let's get rid of soda, since it contains addictive substances (caffeine and sugar). KittyWampus Jul 2014 #6

I would agree with that if soda was blown into the air to be breathed in. onehandle Jul 2014 #8

you don't know what an e-cigarette is, then. And the analogy is exact. Vaping doesn't KittyWampus Jul 2014 #10

Bad analogy Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #12

I vape indoors, and my family swears that they can't smell a thing. They've gotten me off of Flatulo Jul 2014 #17

Lol, great line about the helmets Armstead Jul 2014 #21

+1000. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #53

Not quite Treant Jul 2014 #73

Your perfume, cologne, Treant Jul 2014 #72

All of those things have practical purpose. onehandle Jul 2014 #108

Couple of things Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #115

Yea, and this damned internet thing is a bit, never mind. nt edgineered Jul 2014 #9

It's a fad. Sales are declining. onehandle Jul 2014 #7

The article does point out some interesting facts though. Liberal Veteran Jul 2014 #43

This. Treant Jul 2014 #70

But... Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #11

You didn't need to say but, edgineered Jul 2014 #15

If they are, they're failing to do so Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #18

Exactly! Exactly why the question of edgineered Jul 2014 #24

They're trying Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #28

Depending on the store and vendor edgineered Jul 2014 #32

Hmm, age limit the disposables? Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #42

That's probably about the best that could be done. edgineered Jul 2014 #46

Every Vape store in my town loudly refuses service to those under 18, although there is no law Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #121

Also, the good personal vaporizers are not made by Big Tobbaco. U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #16

I started with one of those Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #22

This may or may not sound paranoid Mariana Jul 2014 #59

It did sound paranoid Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #64

I can't think of any other reason Mariana Jul 2014 #74

White Cloud makes awesome disposables at a fraction of the price. TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #127

People here don't even have to go online, we have Vape shops all over the place. Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #122

There's only one in teh city where I live Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #124

Right, and tapering down is unconscious, meaning it isn't unpleasant Warpy Jul 2014 #62

That last bit is important Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #68

I think a lot of people will remain customers Warpy Jul 2014 #29

That's exactly what I'm doing Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #31

Yup, the damn habit is the killer! edgineered Jul 2014 #33

I bought my PV (personal vaporizer) 5 months ago & haven't smoked since. U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #13

You're the second person I've seen recommend Five Pawns Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #14

It's a bit pricey, but their Gambit & their Castle Long are soooo delicious. U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #19

I have a totally wicked. So does my wife, Fuddnik Jul 2014 #27

I use the liquids but not their PV Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #30

I make my own Treant Jul 2014 #75

I don't have the nerve for that Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #99

It worked for me PennyK Jul 2014 #20

Congrats, dude! Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #25

if its not air I would prefer you keep your vapors to yourself nt msongs Jul 2014 #37

Fair enough, I'll try to keep the vapour away from you Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #41

don't worry, most of us will awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #52

don't ever fart... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #54

Or breathe Treant Jul 2014 #76

It all comes down to loss of tax revenue... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #49

Which explains teh political rage Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #55

very true, nicotine is a bad drug... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #56

The liquid can be made up at home Mariana Jul 2014 #69

Check out The Puck Treant Jul 2014 #77

Excellent. Mariana Jul 2014 #82

The Puck has that. Treant Jul 2014 #86

My Last Tobacco Cig Was in October Leith Jul 2014 #50

You're right about the flavors in alcoholic beverages. Mariana Jul 2014 #83

"...the number of people who take up vaping without being smokers first barely exists." Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #60

I wouldn't be surprised if there already were Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #65

I use a special vaping device built for vaping cannabis concentrates, oils and the like. Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #123

You're ahead of us Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #125

They do. Treant Jul 2014 #78

I don't see why there should be an issue of banning it from public places until it is affirmed that C Moon Jul 2014 #61

The only problem with that Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #67

Very true. But I think, as with cigarettes, C Moon Jul 2014 #79

Well, the good thing about e-cigs Mariana Jul 2014 #87

Vaping helps people quit. end of story. the_sly_pig Jul 2014 #63

And so you should be Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #66

Did we quit at the same time? (Apr 3.) Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #91

Nearly Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #96

Good for you! As for the other thing... Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #103

While I think these should be available alternatives, the real success is in quitting the addiction. cbayer Jul 2014 #98

Well, most of us taper down our nicotine slowly Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #101

I'm glad that is working for you, but it never worked for me. cbayer Jul 2014 #102

Congrat's on your success using The Easy Way Babel_17 Jul 2014 #131

I quit smoking several years ago. Should I start vaping? CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #109

Perfectly stated! randome Jul 2014 #110

Vaping is safer than smoking Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #112

Cocaine is safer than heroin. onehandle Jul 2014 #117

Fallacy of teh excluded middle Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #119

The whole truth. LWolf Jul 2014 #111

To take those in order Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #114

Jerk? Yes. LWolf Jul 2014 #116

Fully agreed on that last part Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #120

Not being addicted to nicotine should be a short term goal, imo Babel_17 Jul 2014 #128

Allen Carr is my personal hero. cbayer Jul 2014 #130

My pleasure Babel_17 Jul 2014 #132

He had me from the beginning when he said that I would rejoice, not suffer. cbayer Jul 2014 #133