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In reply to the discussion: Hillary Derangement Syndrome about her Presidency begins 30 months early [View all]Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)123. You got it all wrong, you get to use as many facts as you want, as long as you make them up
We used to say Youre entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts. Now we are all entitled to our own facts, and conservative media use this right to immerse their audience in a total environment of pseudo-facts and pretend information....
Fox News and Talk Radio
Extremism and conflict make for bad politics but great TV. Over the past two decades, conservatism has evolved from a political philosophy into a market segment. An industry has grown up to serve that segmentand its stars have become the true thought leaders of the conservative world. The business model of the conservative media is built on two elements: provoking the audience into a fever of indignation (to keep them watching) and fomenting mistrust of all other information sources (so that they never change the channel). As a commercial proposition, this model has worked brilliantly in the Obama era. As journalism, not so much. As a tool of political mobilization, it backfires, by inciting followers to the point at which they force leaders into confrontations where everybody loses, like the summertime showdown over the debt ceiling.
But the thought leaders on talk radio and Fox do more than shape opinion. Backed by their own wing of the book-publishing industry and supported by think tanks that increasingly function as public-relations agencies, conservatives have built a whole alternative knowledge system, with its own facts, its own history, its own laws of economics.
Fox News and Talk Radio
Extremism and conflict make for bad politics but great TV. Over the past two decades, conservatism has evolved from a political philosophy into a market segment. An industry has grown up to serve that segmentand its stars have become the true thought leaders of the conservative world. The business model of the conservative media is built on two elements: provoking the audience into a fever of indignation (to keep them watching) and fomenting mistrust of all other information sources (so that they never change the channel). As a commercial proposition, this model has worked brilliantly in the Obama era. As journalism, not so much. As a tool of political mobilization, it backfires, by inciting followers to the point at which they force leaders into confrontations where everybody loses, like the summertime showdown over the debt ceiling.
But the thought leaders on talk radio and Fox do more than shape opinion. Backed by their own wing of the book-publishing industry and supported by think tanks that increasingly function as public-relations agencies, conservatives have built a whole alternative knowledge system, with its own facts, its own history, its own laws of economics.
http://nymag.com/news/politics/conservatives-david-frum-2011-11/index2.html
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Hillary Derangement Syndrome about her Presidency begins 30 months early [View all]
stevenleser
Jul 2014
OP
I thought people were ridiculous with Obama, attacking him just after his election for appointments
stevenleser
Jul 2014
#2
That's because they're full of themselves; I know some would rather lose to the GOP
IrishAyes
Jul 2014
#80
It's a free country. You can do whatever silly stuff you want. And I will call you on it. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2014
#23
Let 'em go at it then. I have ZERO tolerance for the GOP. If they did burst a blood vessel
IrishAyes
Jul 2014
#78
I have no clue who I will support in the Illinois primary 20 months from now...
greatauntoftriplets
Jul 2014
#4
Yes, they're deranged. Their already projecting foreign policy choices and imputing GOP support
stevenleser
Jul 2014
#8
There was opposition to the warrantless wiretapping, guess what it was changed in 2008, ordered
Thinkingabout
Jul 2014
#102
My, how nice to be able to just snap your fingers like that and make your words true!
IrishAyes
Jul 2014
#150
Actually, you believe Warren would be weak and taken advantage of by the "neocon dominated DC...
wyldwolf
Jul 2014
#15
but your concern is war with Iran. A good economic policy has little to do with that
wyldwolf
Jul 2014
#22
So? The fact is you posted 'concern' about Iran and said Warren would be taken in by neocons
wyldwolf
Jul 2014
#27
you're avoiding the question - PROVE Hillary believes banks should set economic policy
wyldwolf
Jul 2014
#50
Making things up as you go. Now PROVE Hillary believes banks should set economic policy
wyldwolf
Jul 2014
#57
Yeah, he DID. For breaking international law. Now prove Obama is seeking revenge on Putin
wyldwolf
Jul 2014
#85
More conspiracy theorist arguments. You're really contending Assad didn't gas his people?
wyldwolf
Jul 2014
#119
oh who knows? When you replied with something incoherent, the obvious conclusion was you were...
wyldwolf
Jul 2014
#133
Advices the president on economic matters - which doesn't mean the banks run things
wyldwolf
Jul 2014
#90
that's your opinion and it still doesn't prove the banks set US economic policy
wyldwolf
Jul 2014
#99
Public opinion? Really? You have evidence the public believes banks set US economic policy?
wyldwolf
Jul 2014
#103
You're claiming that Durbin isn't an expert at how our government works?
MannyGoldstein
Jul 2014
#114
You're seriously claiming that Durbin isn't an expert at how our government works.
MannyGoldstein
Jul 2014
#118
So, you're seriously claiming that Sen. Durbin isn't an expert on how our government works.
MannyGoldstein
Jul 2014
#121
And you did feel the need to point out that Rand Paul would never pick a fight with Iran. Even in
Squinch
Jul 2014
#30
Gee Manny, if only you could spend a bunch of time rubbing elbows over at FOX news, you could
Dragonfli
Jul 2014
#42
You got it all wrong, you get to use as many facts as you want, as long as you make them up
Dragonfli
Jul 2014
#123
The Bieberette types always appeared deranged to me as well, but apparently hero worship is just
Dragonfli
Jul 2014
#44
Lefties like that are constantly stuffing the right's straw men with more straw. nt
conservaphobe
Jul 2014
#31
Yeah! How DARE she criticize a Dictator whose regime uses chemical weapons on its citizens...
brooklynite
Jul 2014
#95
He's not "buying in." He's pointing it out and if it works for him, fine with me. nt
MADem
Jul 2014
#101
the first one comes off as someone making fun of the things Catherina/Tiniore would post
JI7
Jul 2014
#87
Where's the "sexist" part? Hillary is a crappy, neolib, 3rd Way, candidate who voted for war.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2014
#125
This thread represents a new low. It's just pathetic, and reflects much more poorly
Romulox
Jul 2014
#131
Oh, so now it is "Hillary's Presidency"? Bit of hubris there, or trying to influence expectations
djean111
Jul 2014
#151
Next hit will be Vince Foster, Monica and the blue dress... Oops, that one's being linked, too.
freshwest
Jul 2014
#158