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hlthe2b

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1. One thing I do know. No one who has ever had to witness the horrific aftermath of a child or pet

Reply to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Fri Jul 25, 2014, 02:40 PM

Jul 2014

dying in this most unimaginably painful manner of death, would ever forget a child or pet in their car. NEVER. And, I say this with experience, sadly, as one who had to provide emergency treatment on multiple occasions--generally to no avail. Worse than the grisly motor vehicle v motorcycle aftermaths I have seen and the gun violence. Images which stay with you and haunt your dreams for years..

Worse way for anyone to die. Absolutely the worse.

I remember seeing grisly motor vehicle and fire safety videos in school--all which taught me a lot about basic driver and home safety. Perhaps we need to show teens and prospective parents and pet owners the very sad facts of what happens when they fail to secure their child or pet against the ravages of temperatures surpassing 110 degrees in minutes.

Mistakes happen, yes. But, knowing what can happen and making your child, your pet, your top priority of the day, the hour, the minute, can make the difference.

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Don't be so quick to judge parents who leave their kids in the back seat of a car [View all] La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 OP

One thing I do know. No one who has ever had to witness the horrific aftermath of a child or pet hlthe2b Jul 2014 #1

People can't change how their brains are wired to work. No matter how high priority the task is. kcr Jul 2014 #4

when the ambient temperature is >90 degrees and someone fails to consider this, I would disagree hlthe2b Jul 2014 #5

But they're not failing to consider it kcr Jul 2014 #7

in most instances, I'm not buying it... hlthe2b Jul 2014 #10

It won't help to just slam the people it happens to kcr Jul 2014 #21

It certainly does not help to make excuses for this behavior. I speak for the victims. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #30

If it's more important to not make excuses than it is to save lives kcr Jul 2014 #33

My point exactly... Your making excuses for the behavior prevents our taking steps to prevent. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #37

No. It's quite the opposite kcr Jul 2014 #39

Unconscionable defense of deadly behavior, kcr. Unconscionable. Providing "cover" does not prevent hlthe2b Jul 2014 #43

Ignorance of human flaws, htlthe2b. No one is perfect. kcr Jul 2014 #46

Some clearly more than others. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #49

No, I care about the children this can happen to in the future and want to stop it. kcr Jul 2014 #50

and by contrast I actually offered possible prevention measures. You offer excuses only hlthe2b Jul 2014 #67

It doesn't matter if you offer possible prevention measures kcr Jul 2014 #70

When you have seen and absorbed the horror first hand, get back to me. Otherwise, you are just hlthe2b Jul 2014 #73

quit relying on that treestar Jul 2014 #80

I have every right to speak to my experience in this--something in which YOU have NONE hlthe2b Jul 2014 #89

It has no effect on your passing of judgment on the people who did it treestar Jul 2014 #93

Knowing the reasons behind numerous cases, I can assure, I can and will. Just as I will question hlthe2b Jul 2014 #95

I made the same point about accidents and was met with an accusation kcr Jul 2014 #114

People are capable of understanding things without seeing things firsthand kcr Jul 2014 #85

apparently not n/t hlthe2b Jul 2014 #87

Apparently not what? kcr Jul 2014 #90

Classic 'Emotional Appeal' fallacy Trajan Jul 2014 #64

When YOU have actually treated these victims, then you can make a case. Otherwise, you know nothing hlthe2b Jul 2014 #68

You're wrong. It's not that the Parent doesn't know the ugliness of this... Moonwalk Jul 2014 #101

Willful negligence. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #104

It's NOT willful. Parents have to do all kinds of things in life... Moonwalk Jul 2014 #116

yes, willful negligence that comes from hlthe2b Jul 2014 #119

"making everything else the priority..." yes, driving Ilsa Jul 2014 #121

None of that is going on when one exits and locks the car in 90 degree heat. None of it. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #122

Wrong! The brain is still dealing with all of it: Ilsa Jul 2014 #123

It is when hlthe2b Jul 2014 #124

Are you thinking of your children every minute when Ilsa Jul 2014 #131

If a storm, or other imminent hazard arose, or I did not know exactly where they were and with whom, hlthe2b Jul 2014 #132

The brain problem isn't with the emergencies, Ilsa Jul 2014 #139

Having had to deal with the grissly horrific aftermath of several of these, I have every right to my hlthe2b Jul 2014 #140

The problem with judging is that it doesn't solve the Ilsa Jul 2014 #141

NO one said it solves problem, but those who accept the responsibility for their actions/speak out hlthe2b Jul 2014 #142

I don't know much, but I do recognize a classic fallacy Trajan Jul 2014 #105

And I certainly recognize hlthe2b Jul 2014 #106

You know? ... I've always liked you Trajan Jul 2014 #108

Read the article treestar Jul 2014 #72

HOw offensive of YOU to bring in rape denial in this conversation!!! Damn, how ugly. IGNORE hlthe2b Jul 2014 #75

False treestar Jul 2014 #81

Your view is not helpful. The problem here is the focus. Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #102

Most are not so singly focused. Most of us who give a damn can work on prevention and support hlthe2b Jul 2014 #109

When was the last time you heard someone admit they were a neglectful parent? kcr Jul 2014 #120

honestly? AFTER one of these tragic episodes. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #133

How can something be both? kcr Jul 2014 #136

willful negligence can and often does indicate hlthe2b Jul 2014 #138

No, we don't teach kids that lives are in their hands. kcr Jul 2014 #144

If we want kids to be responsible parents when the time comes, we certainly DO teach them that hlthe2b Jul 2014 #145

I have never seen a safety message aimed at kids kcr Jul 2014 #146

Oh for gawd's sakes, kcr hlthe2b Jul 2014 #148

Please read the article. Perhaps focus on the scientists explanation of why this happens. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #35

I have to treat it. I KNOW why it happens and I will NOT excuse it. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #38

Clearly, you do not know why it happens in all instances and you are stubbornly unwilling Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #47

I am in favor of any and all workable prevention solutions. I never disregarded doing so. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #71

Wilful negligence treestar Jul 2014 #84

Read the article treestar Jul 2014 #74

From someone who has the ugly audacity to compare to rape denial? Really. Utterly and unbelievably hlthe2b Jul 2014 #77

It is indeed similar treestar Jul 2014 #78

I am in favor of any and all preventive aids. You can NOT put words in my mouth to the contrary... hlthe2b Jul 2014 #83

You insist on judging them as not having their children as a priority treestar Jul 2014 #86

They clearly don't n/t hlthe2b Jul 2014 #88

No, it's not clear kcr Jul 2014 #97

Not when there is an imminent threat. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #99

It simply isn't a conscious decision. kcr Jul 2014 #112

If someone accidentally left their baby in the car in the morning, it could be 60-70 degrees. pnwmom Jul 2014 #126

You know... hlthe2b Jul 2014 #128

I was left in a car as a child TBA Jul 2014 #8

Big difference between a warm car in PM & deadly direct sun shining on a car in temps surpassing 90 hlthe2b Jul 2014 #13

but not in the actual behavior of the parents. forgetting is forgetting La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #19

That was my point. TBA Jul 2014 #22

Very different from failing to protect you from an imminent threat. n/t hlthe2b Jul 2014 #24

No... It is very different. Adults are expected to recognize risk to children and act responsibly hlthe2b Jul 2014 #23

the actual behavior is not different, the consequences are. i am not sure what there is La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #25

I don't care if you drag in 100 people to agree with you. We all know there are irresponsible hlthe2b Jul 2014 #28

Yep.. I view it as an accident. TBA Jul 2014 #29

People are expected to drive safely and obey all laws for the same reason kcr Jul 2014 #36

Some drivers shouldn't drive... hlthe2b Jul 2014 #41

So you think anyone who causes an accident should be thrown in jail for murder? kcr Jul 2014 #44

Attributing YOUR WORDS to me or others in disingenuous and dishonest. I will respond no further hlthe2b Jul 2014 #45

I haven't done that, but whatever n/t kcr Jul 2014 #48

It's always a good plan to turn indignant when your argument is going south. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2014 #51

It makes arguments on the internet so much fun kcr Jul 2014 #55

another exccuser for willful negligence. n/t hlthe2b Jul 2014 #91

You know, actually reading the article would have taken far less time jeff47 Jul 2014 #103

I thought the use of ellipses directly indicated an unfinished thought LanternWaste Jul 2014 #61

Even someone who has witnessed it could potentially be so exhausted pnwmom Jul 2014 #125

and having been that exhausted, I recognize the importance of getting help hlthe2b Jul 2014 #127

I never judge. It almost happened to me. Geoff R. Casavant Jul 2014 #2

i think this is the point. people assume you cannot have a memory failure just La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #3

So rank negligence is egalitarian. Stipulated. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #6

you can call anyone anything but that doesnt make it true and doesn't help a problem La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #9

I have now seen it all. nt Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #16

good for you. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #20

I can't believe an actual adult would ever need to be reminded that they have a kid with them Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #32

Such devices exist. Here's one for $25 cyberswede Jul 2014 #54

It a great idea but few buy them because no parent thinks that they will be that person. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #59

They didn't forget they had the kid with them. jeff47 Jul 2014 #58

I can't understand it either MissDeeds Jul 2014 #111

It is abundantly clear who has NOT read the article. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #40

read the article Kali Jul 2014 #11

If you're correct, then we need to direct the attention at imbeciles kcr Jul 2014 #18

Something I'd like to see... Orrex Jul 2014 #12

that's really kinda brilliant La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #15

Aw shucks! Orrex Jul 2014 #27

That point was made in the article. NASA developed a product that would alert a driver Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #53

That sounds like a great idea. nt redqueen Jul 2014 #17

Alarm systems have existed for a while cyberswede Jul 2014 #57

I agree with you 100% redqueen Jul 2014 #14

I'm far too flawed to pretend I'll never forget an important thing, as I have done so many, many tim LanternWaste Jul 2014 #26

Same here, plus add sleep deprivation, stress, and other factors on parents NightWatcher Jul 2014 #31

THANK YOU!!! People tend to give the human brain more credit than it deserves. arcane1 Jul 2014 #34

i think people want to protect themselves psychologically from the fact La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #115

No, I think some people are simply more mindful than others, and simply cannot comprehend redqueen Jul 2014 #117

I left my dog in the car a few weeks ago. missingthebigdog Jul 2014 #42

Yep. When I was a kid we took the family dog to my aunt's treestar Jul 2014 #92

Thank you for this important reminder that everyone human fails. closeupready Jul 2014 #52

DURec leftstreet Jul 2014 #56

I try not to judge them. I really do. Bettie Jul 2014 #60

that's what the article is about treestar Jul 2014 #94

They aren't forgetting that they have the child in the car. jeff47 Jul 2014 #96

I feel bad for them. At least for the ones who actually feel bad for their tragic mistake. redqueen Jul 2014 #118

Well Hell, You tried CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #63

I think some people derive their own sense of self worth by deriding others. Live and Learn Jul 2014 #66

Exactly. People like to think such a terrible thing could happen The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2014 #110

we are all better than average. La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #113

Why not? ann--- Jul 2014 #65

Teen's invention could prevent hot car deaths ErikJ Jul 2014 #69

This is a major big deal here in Vegas.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #76

Heartbreaking situations. Captain Stern Jul 2014 #79

Good reminder that life is fragile and easily destroyed. Rex Jul 2014 #82

This article is required reading for a college class I teach The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2014 #98

Sorry, don't buy that. lark Jul 2014 #100

It isn't about knowingly leaving the kid in a car while running an errand - The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2014 #107

Uhhhhhhh.............................No BKH70041 Jul 2014 #129

Perhaps some sort of alarm attached to the baby seat when occupied could sound when Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #130

There is no excuse for leaving a child in a hot car dem in texas Jul 2014 #134

I do not etherealtruth Jul 2014 #135

I fail to see what connection occupation has to remembering a CHILD. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #137

Leaving a baby or young child in a vehicle is something that has to happen... BlueJazz Jul 2014 #143

I always put my bag in the backseat under the car seat. Barack_America Jul 2014 #147