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13. Big difference between a warm car in PM & deadly direct sun shining on a car in temps surpassing 90

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Fri Jul 25, 2014, 02:53 PM

Jul 2014

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Don't be so quick to judge parents who leave their kids in the back seat of a car [View all] La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 OP

One thing I do know. No one who has ever had to witness the horrific aftermath of a child or pet hlthe2b Jul 2014 #1

People can't change how their brains are wired to work. No matter how high priority the task is. kcr Jul 2014 #4

when the ambient temperature is >90 degrees and someone fails to consider this, I would disagree hlthe2b Jul 2014 #5

But they're not failing to consider it kcr Jul 2014 #7

in most instances, I'm not buying it... hlthe2b Jul 2014 #10

It won't help to just slam the people it happens to kcr Jul 2014 #21

It certainly does not help to make excuses for this behavior. I speak for the victims. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #30

If it's more important to not make excuses than it is to save lives kcr Jul 2014 #33

My point exactly... Your making excuses for the behavior prevents our taking steps to prevent. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #37

No. It's quite the opposite kcr Jul 2014 #39

Unconscionable defense of deadly behavior, kcr. Unconscionable. Providing "cover" does not prevent hlthe2b Jul 2014 #43

Ignorance of human flaws, htlthe2b. No one is perfect. kcr Jul 2014 #46

Some clearly more than others. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #49

No, I care about the children this can happen to in the future and want to stop it. kcr Jul 2014 #50

and by contrast I actually offered possible prevention measures. You offer excuses only hlthe2b Jul 2014 #67

It doesn't matter if you offer possible prevention measures kcr Jul 2014 #70

When you have seen and absorbed the horror first hand, get back to me. Otherwise, you are just hlthe2b Jul 2014 #73

quit relying on that treestar Jul 2014 #80

I have every right to speak to my experience in this--something in which YOU have NONE hlthe2b Jul 2014 #89

It has no effect on your passing of judgment on the people who did it treestar Jul 2014 #93

Knowing the reasons behind numerous cases, I can assure, I can and will. Just as I will question hlthe2b Jul 2014 #95

I made the same point about accidents and was met with an accusation kcr Jul 2014 #114

People are capable of understanding things without seeing things firsthand kcr Jul 2014 #85

apparently not n/t hlthe2b Jul 2014 #87

Apparently not what? kcr Jul 2014 #90

Classic 'Emotional Appeal' fallacy Trajan Jul 2014 #64

When YOU have actually treated these victims, then you can make a case. Otherwise, you know nothing hlthe2b Jul 2014 #68

You're wrong. It's not that the Parent doesn't know the ugliness of this... Moonwalk Jul 2014 #101

Willful negligence. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #104

It's NOT willful. Parents have to do all kinds of things in life... Moonwalk Jul 2014 #116

yes, willful negligence that comes from hlthe2b Jul 2014 #119

"making everything else the priority..." yes, driving Ilsa Jul 2014 #121

None of that is going on when one exits and locks the car in 90 degree heat. None of it. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #122

Wrong! The brain is still dealing with all of it: Ilsa Jul 2014 #123

It is when hlthe2b Jul 2014 #124

Are you thinking of your children every minute when Ilsa Jul 2014 #131

If a storm, or other imminent hazard arose, or I did not know exactly where they were and with whom, hlthe2b Jul 2014 #132

The brain problem isn't with the emergencies, Ilsa Jul 2014 #139

Having had to deal with the grissly horrific aftermath of several of these, I have every right to my hlthe2b Jul 2014 #140

The problem with judging is that it doesn't solve the Ilsa Jul 2014 #141

NO one said it solves problem, but those who accept the responsibility for their actions/speak out hlthe2b Jul 2014 #142

I don't know much, but I do recognize a classic fallacy Trajan Jul 2014 #105

And I certainly recognize hlthe2b Jul 2014 #106

You know? ... I've always liked you Trajan Jul 2014 #108

Read the article treestar Jul 2014 #72

HOw offensive of YOU to bring in rape denial in this conversation!!! Damn, how ugly. IGNORE hlthe2b Jul 2014 #75

False treestar Jul 2014 #81

Your view is not helpful. The problem here is the focus. Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #102

Most are not so singly focused. Most of us who give a damn can work on prevention and support hlthe2b Jul 2014 #109

When was the last time you heard someone admit they were a neglectful parent? kcr Jul 2014 #120

honestly? AFTER one of these tragic episodes. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #133

How can something be both? kcr Jul 2014 #136

willful negligence can and often does indicate hlthe2b Jul 2014 #138

No, we don't teach kids that lives are in their hands. kcr Jul 2014 #144

If we want kids to be responsible parents when the time comes, we certainly DO teach them that hlthe2b Jul 2014 #145

I have never seen a safety message aimed at kids kcr Jul 2014 #146

Oh for gawd's sakes, kcr hlthe2b Jul 2014 #148

Please read the article. Perhaps focus on the scientists explanation of why this happens. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #35

I have to treat it. I KNOW why it happens and I will NOT excuse it. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #38

Clearly, you do not know why it happens in all instances and you are stubbornly unwilling Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #47

I am in favor of any and all workable prevention solutions. I never disregarded doing so. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #71

Wilful negligence treestar Jul 2014 #84

Read the article treestar Jul 2014 #74

From someone who has the ugly audacity to compare to rape denial? Really. Utterly and unbelievably hlthe2b Jul 2014 #77

It is indeed similar treestar Jul 2014 #78

I am in favor of any and all preventive aids. You can NOT put words in my mouth to the contrary... hlthe2b Jul 2014 #83

You insist on judging them as not having their children as a priority treestar Jul 2014 #86

They clearly don't n/t hlthe2b Jul 2014 #88

No, it's not clear kcr Jul 2014 #97

Not when there is an imminent threat. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #99

It simply isn't a conscious decision. kcr Jul 2014 #112

If someone accidentally left their baby in the car in the morning, it could be 60-70 degrees. pnwmom Jul 2014 #126

You know... hlthe2b Jul 2014 #128

I was left in a car as a child TBA Jul 2014 #8

Big difference between a warm car in PM & deadly direct sun shining on a car in temps surpassing 90 hlthe2b Jul 2014 #13

but not in the actual behavior of the parents. forgetting is forgetting La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #19

That was my point. TBA Jul 2014 #22

Very different from failing to protect you from an imminent threat. n/t hlthe2b Jul 2014 #24

No... It is very different. Adults are expected to recognize risk to children and act responsibly hlthe2b Jul 2014 #23

the actual behavior is not different, the consequences are. i am not sure what there is La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #25

I don't care if you drag in 100 people to agree with you. We all know there are irresponsible hlthe2b Jul 2014 #28

Yep.. I view it as an accident. TBA Jul 2014 #29

People are expected to drive safely and obey all laws for the same reason kcr Jul 2014 #36

Some drivers shouldn't drive... hlthe2b Jul 2014 #41

So you think anyone who causes an accident should be thrown in jail for murder? kcr Jul 2014 #44

Attributing YOUR WORDS to me or others in disingenuous and dishonest. I will respond no further hlthe2b Jul 2014 #45

I haven't done that, but whatever n/t kcr Jul 2014 #48

It's always a good plan to turn indignant when your argument is going south. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2014 #51

It makes arguments on the internet so much fun kcr Jul 2014 #55

another exccuser for willful negligence. n/t hlthe2b Jul 2014 #91

You know, actually reading the article would have taken far less time jeff47 Jul 2014 #103

I thought the use of ellipses directly indicated an unfinished thought LanternWaste Jul 2014 #61

Even someone who has witnessed it could potentially be so exhausted pnwmom Jul 2014 #125

and having been that exhausted, I recognize the importance of getting help hlthe2b Jul 2014 #127

I never judge. It almost happened to me. Geoff R. Casavant Jul 2014 #2

i think this is the point. people assume you cannot have a memory failure just La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #3

So rank negligence is egalitarian. Stipulated. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #6

you can call anyone anything but that doesnt make it true and doesn't help a problem La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #9

I have now seen it all. nt Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #16

good for you. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #20

I can't believe an actual adult would ever need to be reminded that they have a kid with them Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #32

Such devices exist. Here's one for $25 cyberswede Jul 2014 #54

It a great idea but few buy them because no parent thinks that they will be that person. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #59

They didn't forget they had the kid with them. jeff47 Jul 2014 #58

I can't understand it either MissDeeds Jul 2014 #111

It is abundantly clear who has NOT read the article. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #40

read the article Kali Jul 2014 #11

If you're correct, then we need to direct the attention at imbeciles kcr Jul 2014 #18

Something I'd like to see... Orrex Jul 2014 #12

that's really kinda brilliant La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #15

Aw shucks! Orrex Jul 2014 #27

That point was made in the article. NASA developed a product that would alert a driver Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #53

That sounds like a great idea. nt redqueen Jul 2014 #17

Alarm systems have existed for a while cyberswede Jul 2014 #57

I agree with you 100% redqueen Jul 2014 #14

I'm far too flawed to pretend I'll never forget an important thing, as I have done so many, many tim LanternWaste Jul 2014 #26

Same here, plus add sleep deprivation, stress, and other factors on parents NightWatcher Jul 2014 #31

THANK YOU!!! People tend to give the human brain more credit than it deserves. arcane1 Jul 2014 #34

i think people want to protect themselves psychologically from the fact La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #115

No, I think some people are simply more mindful than others, and simply cannot comprehend redqueen Jul 2014 #117

I left my dog in the car a few weeks ago. missingthebigdog Jul 2014 #42

Yep. When I was a kid we took the family dog to my aunt's treestar Jul 2014 #92

Thank you for this important reminder that everyone human fails. closeupready Jul 2014 #52

DURec leftstreet Jul 2014 #56

I try not to judge them. I really do. Bettie Jul 2014 #60

that's what the article is about treestar Jul 2014 #94

They aren't forgetting that they have the child in the car. jeff47 Jul 2014 #96

I feel bad for them. At least for the ones who actually feel bad for their tragic mistake. redqueen Jul 2014 #118

Well Hell, You tried CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #63

I think some people derive their own sense of self worth by deriding others. Live and Learn Jul 2014 #66

Exactly. People like to think such a terrible thing could happen The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2014 #110

we are all better than average. La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #113

Why not? ann--- Jul 2014 #65

Teen's invention could prevent hot car deaths ErikJ Jul 2014 #69

This is a major big deal here in Vegas.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #76

Heartbreaking situations. Captain Stern Jul 2014 #79

Good reminder that life is fragile and easily destroyed. Rex Jul 2014 #82

This article is required reading for a college class I teach The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2014 #98

Sorry, don't buy that. lark Jul 2014 #100

It isn't about knowingly leaving the kid in a car while running an errand - The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2014 #107

Uhhhhhhh.............................No BKH70041 Jul 2014 #129

Perhaps some sort of alarm attached to the baby seat when occupied could sound when Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #130

There is no excuse for leaving a child in a hot car dem in texas Jul 2014 #134

I do not etherealtruth Jul 2014 #135

I fail to see what connection occupation has to remembering a CHILD. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #137

Leaving a baby or young child in a vehicle is something that has to happen... BlueJazz Jul 2014 #143

I always put my bag in the backseat under the car seat. Barack_America Jul 2014 #147