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Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
83. you do know of course Israel kidnaps Palestinians all the time and are holding hundreds of them?
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 02:35 PM
Jul 2014

You do know that, don't you?

B'Tselem - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories

Administrative Detention



.Published: 1 Jan 2011

Updated: 29 Dec 2013
Illustration photo.Administrative detention is detention without charge or trial that is authorized by administrative order rather than by judicial decree. Under international law, it is allowed under certain circumstances. However, because of the serious injury to due-process rights inherent in this measure and the obvious danger of its abuse, international law has placed rigid restrictions on its application. According to international law, administrative detention can be used only in the most exceptional cases, as the last means available for preventing danger that cannot be thwarted by less harmful means.

Israel's use of administrative detention blatantly violates the restrictions of international law. Israel carries it out in a highly classified manner that denies detainees the possibility of mounting a proper defense. Moreover, the detention has no upper time limit. Over the years, Israel has placed thousands of Palestinians in administrative detention for prolonged periods of time, without trying them, without informing them of the charges against them, and without allowing them or their counsel to examine the evidence. In this way, the military judicial system ignores the right to freedom and due process, the right of defendants to state their case, and the presumption of innocence, all of which are protections clearly enshrined in both Israeli and international law.

As of the end of June 2012, Israel was holding about 285 Palestinians in administrative detention (for detailed figures click here).

Over the years, Israel has held thousands of Palestinians in administrative detention, for periods ranging from several months to several years. The highest number of administrative detainees was documented during the first intifada. On 5 November 1989, Israel was holding 1,794 Palestinians in administrative detention. In the early and mid-1990s, the number of administrative detainees ranged from 100 to 350 at any given moment, and by the end of the decade, there were no more than a few dozen detainees held at the same time. On 13 December 2000, two and a half months after the second intifada erupted, Israel held 12 Palestinians in administrative detention. In March 2002, the number stood at 44

In April 2002, during Operation Defensive Shield, Israel administratively detained hundreds of Palestinians. By the end of the year, more than 1,000 Palestinians were being held as administrative detainees. Since then, the number has declined. In 2005-2007, there was an average of about 750 administrative detainees at any given moment, and that number has consistently fallen since November 2007. In December 2010, the number of administrative detainees stood at 204 (for detailed figures click here).

Yet in 2011, this trend was reversed and there was an increase. In January, Israel was holding 219 administrative detainees, but by December that number had risen to 307. Some 29 percent of the administrative detainees were held for a period of between six to twelve months, and 24 percent for one to two years. Seventeen administrative detainees were held between two and four and a half years, and one was in administrative detention for over five years.

Over the years, Israel has also held a few Israeli citizens in administrative detention, among them settlers. These cases are scarce and most of the detainees were held for short periods.

Three pieces of legislation enable Israel to hold Palestinians in administrative detention:
1.Articles 284-294 of the Order regarding Security Provisions [Consolidated Version] (Judea and Samaria) (No. 1651), 5770-2009, which is part of the military legislation in the West Bank. Most administrative detainees are held under individual detention orders issued pursuant to this order.
2.The Emergency Powers (Detentions) Law, which applies in Israel and replaced the administrative-detention arrangement established in the Emergency Regulations of the Mandate period. It is rare for residents of the Occupied Territories to be administratively detained under this law.
3.The Internment of Unlawful Combatants Law, which came into force in 2002. Originally, the law was intended to enable the holding of Lebanese citizens who were being held in Israel at the time as “bargaining chips” for the return of captives and bodies. Now, Israel uses the law to detain without trial Palestinian residents of the Gaza Strip, where the military legislation was repealed upon implementation of the “disengagement” plan, in September 2005.

B'Tselem's position is that the government of Israel must release all administrative detainees or prosecute them, in accordance with due process, for the offenses they allegedly committed. As long as Israel continues to use administrative detention, it must do so in a way that comports with international law - only in the most exceptional cases, when there is no other alternative, and in a proportionate manner.
http://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention



Israel set to double number of Palestinian administrative detainees


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.600480

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Figures.nt bravenak Jul 2014 #1
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #2
Shoot first Aerows Jul 2014 #3
And so, who is scheduled to speak to this on Sunday News shows? I guess, no one. nt kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #95
But, they got their pretext. delrem Jul 2014 #4
Exactly, if it hadn't been this incident it would have been another. I doubt they were going A Simple Game Jul 2014 #69
Israelis refer to "Cutting the Grass", equating slaying humanity with landscaping BlueStreak Jul 2014 #71
Exactly. I'm surprised this isn't mentioned more. nt Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2014 #101
Of course. The "right to defend ourselves" is such a heap of bullshit. GoneFishin Jul 2014 #80
Netanyahu has a lot of egg on his face... HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #5
Mossad Motto Unknown Beatle Jul 2014 #57
I highly recommend the book "By Way Of Deception - The Making and Unmaking Purveyor Jul 2014 #81
I'll look for it online Unknown Beatle Jul 2014 #94
Netanyahu, Bush, Cheney, Putin: dgibby Jul 2014 #68
I've got to ask... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #6
why don't I just remove that bigtree Jul 2014 #7
Sorry Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #9
they actually linked to the plagiarizing article in the report bigtree Jul 2014 #12
one of the editors at BuzzFeed has been bisted for plagiarism tishaLA Jul 2014 #13
Didn't the Israeli government also have knowledge those poor kids were already dead? Scootaloo Jul 2014 #8
Yes. But they didn't have the bodies, so they played out the drama BillZBubb Jul 2014 #15
That's appears to be true cpwm17 Jul 2014 #16
Not only that, but they lied to the kids' families for 18 days Ken Burch Jul 2014 #19
You don't know what they told the families. former9thward Jul 2014 #63
No. former9thward Jul 2014 #64
850 deaths later malaise Jul 2014 #10
Israel pulled a Dubya and attacked Hamas and the West Bank Tommy2Tone Jul 2014 #11
Yes, people that oppose Israel's unprovoked mass-murder against the Palestinians cpwm17 Jul 2014 #17
No comparison. Saddam wasnt firing rockets at the US every day. 7962 Jul 2014 #59
Israel fired the first shot. Hamas shot back. sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #90
Here's the story, its up to you whether to believe it or not. 7962 Jul 2014 #103
That article sounds like . . . MrModerate Jul 2014 #107
Coming from algemeiner.com, it very well could have been. Algemeiner is the Purveyor Jul 2014 #112
Yeah. Apparently, the IDF is the noble band of protectors . . . MrModerate Jul 2014 #113
Think about that a minute - just what would suffice as evidence? The only source for such Flatulo Jul 2014 #114
Settlements vs. Tunnels Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2014 #102
No surprise. Netanyahu lied and Israeli propaganists beat the war drums. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #14
Would it be a reach? SCVDem Jul 2014 #18
Not that it matters much, because the region is a powder keg that any spark will ignite... BlueCheese Jul 2014 #20
I think there was another step in there Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #23
I think you're right. I should have included that. eom BlueCheese Jul 2014 #25
Found it again. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #33
Yes, there was a "limited" bombing of Gaza - Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2014 #38
But is that accurate anyway? The article at first had a MAJOR error. George II Jul 2014 #97
Did it? What was the error? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #98
The article at first attempted to link the Gaza rocket firing to an Israeli invasion of Gaza.... George II Jul 2014 #99
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #21
I've been saying from the start... defacto7 Jul 2014 #22
Netanyahu's big lie. He can't rot in hell soon enough. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #24
k&r with arghhhhh uppityperson Jul 2014 #26
It wouldn't surprise me JimDandy Jul 2014 #27
Where are all the baby killer apologists? Board_Commentary Jul 2014 #28
a pity about the 900 dead palestinians shaayecanaan Jul 2014 #29
This should be Big Healine Leading News...yet only "NY Mag" has it? KoKo Jul 2014 #30
well, they're basing their report on this BBC journalist's word bigtree Jul 2014 #34
+10000 woo me with science Jul 2014 #62
K&R NealK Jul 2014 #31
This was obvious weeks ago. blackspade Jul 2014 #32
If you stop and think about it VA_Jill Jul 2014 #35
Tonkin. WMD. Battleship Maine. (nt) Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #36
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #37
See my comment and link above. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #40
A "Think Tank", huh? Most times, the simplest explanations are the correct ones. E-Z-B Jul 2014 #41
Take the link. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #42
They've killed hundreds of children, shameful, criminal and anyone who even tries to defend sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #47
Who said this? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2014 #106
here's another interesting, believable account bigtree Jul 2014 #43
Here's why Hamas fired the missiles. Karmadillo Jul 2014 #49
"First rocket fire in more than 19 months"? Bullshit. Nearly 200 attacks before July 7962 Jul 2014 #60
Bullshit? Here's a link from the Jerusalem Post quoting the IDF on Karmadillo Jul 2014 #66
The article said 1st rocket fire in 19 months. Thats not true. Thats what I posted. 7962 Jul 2014 #82
The first rocket fired by Hamas in 19 months. And they had embraced the peace Karmadillo Jul 2014 #84
I'd fire rockets too. sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author zonkers Jul 2014 #39
i don't think they said this was the reason they are going into GAza JI7 Jul 2014 #44
It is no coincidence that the Palestinians agreeing to a unity government in early June cpwm17 Jul 2014 #51
Yes. Netanyahu is scared to death of Palestinian unity. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #73
That is it, in a nutshell, and some in his cabinet make Bibi look like Ghandi. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #77
Well, we ARE the experts on invasions based upon "bad Intel." WinkyDink Jul 2014 #45
Shoot first, ask questions later. Pisces Jul 2014 #46
"Israel's top leadership" is like saying "Chairman Darrell Issa". Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #48
» bigtree Jul 2014 #50
I figured it was not Hamas. Made no sense. Not sure why Israel has come clean now of all times. McCamy Taylor Jul 2014 #52
No surprises what so ever in no small part because azurnoir Jul 2014 #53
War crimes anyone? Fearless Jul 2014 #54
Also: roitov.com/articles/18htm "3 Boys for the West Bank" dougolat Jul 2014 #55
Interesting that a false flag Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #56
Netanyahoo is pure Helgian Dialectic. If ballyhoo Jul 2014 #61
Palestinian teenager Muhammad Abu Khudair... KansDem Jul 2014 #58
Palestinians celebrated the kidnappings. former9thward Jul 2014 #65
What's your point? Karmadillo Jul 2014 #67
how do we know that? this look likes ifthar celebrations or something else quite innocuous La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #72
You are absolutely correct. Karmadillo Jul 2014 #74
You won't believe me former9thward Jul 2014 #79
you do know of course Israel kidnaps Palestinians all the time and are holding hundreds of them? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #83
By your logic the U.S. "kidnaps" border crossers. former9thward Jul 2014 #89
oh that is ridiculous - when you take noncombatants away without any legal charge or any need to Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #91
You're disrupting Bibi's pretext...thank you. K&R Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #70
Anyone recall the Nazis' use of a false flag operation to justify invading Poland? Divernan Jul 2014 #75
Hitler called it "propagandistic casus belli". Divernan Jul 2014 #76
Also, read yesterday that Israeli soldier was not captured... kentuck Jul 2014 #78
Not surprised at all, sadly. GoCubsGo Jul 2014 #85
False equivalency. Divernan Jul 2014 #87
Hogwash. GoCubsGo Jul 2014 #93
it is implausible that any serious Israeli security personnel ever thought it was. They would know Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #86
Oops, I guess.... grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #87
"likely didn't"? George II Jul 2014 #96
the author of the claim in the title is Jon Donnison bigtree Jul 2014 #100
Go to the bottom of your linked "Daily Dot" article: George II Jul 2014 #104
false attempt to link the deaths? They provided the correction themselves bigtree Jul 2014 #108
Yes, they issued a correction, but... George II Jul 2014 #109
read some more in this thread bigtree Jul 2014 #110
I'll defer to Daniel Patrick Moynahan George II Jul 2014 #111
Sounds familiar. Didn't we do the same thing in Iraq? PatrickforO Jul 2014 #105
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