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Douglas Carpenter

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91. oh that is ridiculous - when you take noncombatants away without any legal charge or any need to

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 03:22 PM

Jul 2014

justify it and hold them anywhere from weeks to years without any hearing -- that is kidnapping - it certainly is much more kidnapping than capturing hostile enemy soldiers who are attacking.

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Might be surprised- Turns Out Hamas Likely Didn’t Kidnap and Kill the 3 Israeli Teens After All [View all] bigtree Jul 2014 OP

Figures.nt bravenak Jul 2014 #1

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #2

Shoot first Aerows Jul 2014 #3

And so, who is scheduled to speak to this on Sunday News shows? I guess, no one. nt kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #95

But, they got their pretext. delrem Jul 2014 #4

Exactly, if it hadn't been this incident it would have been another. I doubt they were going A Simple Game Jul 2014 #69

Israelis refer to "Cutting the Grass", equating slaying humanity with landscaping BlueStreak Jul 2014 #71

Exactly. I'm surprised this isn't mentioned more. nt Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2014 #101

Of course. The "right to defend ourselves" is such a heap of bullshit. GoneFishin Jul 2014 #80

Netanyahu has a lot of egg on his face... HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #5

Mossad Motto Unknown Beatle Jul 2014 #57

I highly recommend the book "By Way Of Deception - The Making and Unmaking Purveyor Jul 2014 #81

I'll look for it online Unknown Beatle Jul 2014 #94

Netanyahu, Bush, Cheney, Putin: dgibby Jul 2014 #68

I've got to ask... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #6

why don't I just remove that bigtree Jul 2014 #7

Sorry Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #9

they actually linked to the plagiarizing article in the report bigtree Jul 2014 #12

one of the editors at BuzzFeed has been bisted for plagiarism tishaLA Jul 2014 #13

Didn't the Israeli government also have knowledge those poor kids were already dead? Scootaloo Jul 2014 #8

Yes. But they didn't have the bodies, so they played out the drama BillZBubb Jul 2014 #15

That's appears to be true cpwm17 Jul 2014 #16

Not only that, but they lied to the kids' families for 18 days Ken Burch Jul 2014 #19

You don't know what they told the families. former9thward Jul 2014 #63

No. former9thward Jul 2014 #64

850 deaths later malaise Jul 2014 #10

Israel pulled a Dubya and attacked Hamas and the West Bank Tommy2Tone Jul 2014 #11

Yes, people that oppose Israel's unprovoked mass-murder against the Palestinians cpwm17 Jul 2014 #17

No comparison. Saddam wasnt firing rockets at the US every day. 7962 Jul 2014 #59

Israel fired the first shot. Hamas shot back. sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #90

Here's the story, its up to you whether to believe it or not. 7962 Jul 2014 #103

That article sounds like . . . MrModerate Jul 2014 #107

Coming from algemeiner.com, it very well could have been. Algemeiner is the Purveyor Jul 2014 #112

Yeah. Apparently, the IDF is the noble band of protectors . . . MrModerate Jul 2014 #113

Think about that a minute - just what would suffice as evidence? The only source for such Flatulo Jul 2014 #114

Settlements vs. Tunnels Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2014 #102

No surprise. Netanyahu lied and Israeli propaganists beat the war drums. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #14

Would it be a reach? SCVDem Jul 2014 #18

Not that it matters much, because the region is a powder keg that any spark will ignite... BlueCheese Jul 2014 #20

I think there was another step in there Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #23

I think you're right. I should have included that. eom BlueCheese Jul 2014 #25

Found it again. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #33

Yes, there was a "limited" bombing of Gaza - Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2014 #38

But is that accurate anyway? The article at first had a MAJOR error. George II Jul 2014 #97

Did it? What was the error? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #98

The article at first attempted to link the Gaza rocket firing to an Israeli invasion of Gaza.... George II Jul 2014 #99

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #21

I've been saying from the start... defacto7 Jul 2014 #22

Netanyahu's big lie. He can't rot in hell soon enough. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #24

k&r with arghhhhh uppityperson Jul 2014 #26

It wouldn't surprise me JimDandy Jul 2014 #27

Where are all the baby killer apologists? Board_Commentary Jul 2014 #28

a pity about the 900 dead palestinians shaayecanaan Jul 2014 #29

This should be Big Healine Leading News...yet only "NY Mag" has it? KoKo Jul 2014 #30

well, they're basing their report on this BBC journalist's word bigtree Jul 2014 #34

+10000 woo me with science Jul 2014 #62

K&R NealK Jul 2014 #31

This was obvious weeks ago. blackspade Jul 2014 #32

If you stop and think about it VA_Jill Jul 2014 #35

Tonkin. WMD. Battleship Maine. (nt) Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #36

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #37

See my comment and link above. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #40

A "Think Tank", huh? Most times, the simplest explanations are the correct ones. E-Z-B Jul 2014 #41

Take the link. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #42

They've killed hundreds of children, shameful, criminal and anyone who even tries to defend sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #47

Who said this? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2014 #106

here's another interesting, believable account bigtree Jul 2014 #43

Here's why Hamas fired the missiles. Karmadillo Jul 2014 #49

"First rocket fire in more than 19 months"? Bullshit. Nearly 200 attacks before July 7962 Jul 2014 #60

Bullshit? Here's a link from the Jerusalem Post quoting the IDF on Karmadillo Jul 2014 #66

The article said 1st rocket fire in 19 months. Thats not true. Thats what I posted. 7962 Jul 2014 #82

The first rocket fired by Hamas in 19 months. And they had embraced the peace Karmadillo Jul 2014 #84

I'd fire rockets too. sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author zonkers Jul 2014 #39

i don't think they said this was the reason they are going into GAza JI7 Jul 2014 #44

It is no coincidence that the Palestinians agreeing to a unity government in early June cpwm17 Jul 2014 #51

Yes. Netanyahu is scared to death of Palestinian unity. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #73

That is it, in a nutshell, and some in his cabinet make Bibi look like Ghandi. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #77

Well, we ARE the experts on invasions based upon "bad Intel." WinkyDink Jul 2014 #45

Shoot first, ask questions later. Pisces Jul 2014 #46

"Israel's top leadership" is like saying "Chairman Darrell Issa". Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #48

» bigtree Jul 2014 #50

I figured it was not Hamas. Made no sense. Not sure why Israel has come clean now of all times. McCamy Taylor Jul 2014 #52

No surprises what so ever in no small part because azurnoir Jul 2014 #53

War crimes anyone? Fearless Jul 2014 #54

Also: roitov.com/articles/18htm "3 Boys for the West Bank" dougolat Jul 2014 #55

Interesting that a false flag Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #56

Netanyahoo is pure Helgian Dialectic. If ballyhoo Jul 2014 #61

Palestinian teenager Muhammad Abu Khudair... KansDem Jul 2014 #58

Palestinians celebrated the kidnappings. former9thward Jul 2014 #65

What's your point? Karmadillo Jul 2014 #67

how do we know that? this look likes ifthar celebrations or something else quite innocuous La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #72

You are absolutely correct. Karmadillo Jul 2014 #74

You won't believe me former9thward Jul 2014 #79

you do know of course Israel kidnaps Palestinians all the time and are holding hundreds of them? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #83

By your logic the U.S. "kidnaps" border crossers. former9thward Jul 2014 #89

oh that is ridiculous - when you take noncombatants away without any legal charge or any need to Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #91

You're disrupting Bibi's pretext...thank you. K&R Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #70

Anyone recall the Nazis' use of a false flag operation to justify invading Poland? Divernan Jul 2014 #75

Hitler called it "propagandistic casus belli". Divernan Jul 2014 #76

Also, read yesterday that Israeli soldier was not captured... kentuck Jul 2014 #78

Not surprised at all, sadly. GoCubsGo Jul 2014 #85

False equivalency. Divernan Jul 2014 #87

Hogwash. GoCubsGo Jul 2014 #93

it is implausible that any serious Israeli security personnel ever thought it was. They would know Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #86

Oops, I guess.... grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #87

"likely didn't"? George II Jul 2014 #96

the author of the claim in the title is Jon Donnison bigtree Jul 2014 #100

Go to the bottom of your linked "Daily Dot" article: George II Jul 2014 #104

false attempt to link the deaths? They provided the correction themselves bigtree Jul 2014 #108

Yes, they issued a correction, but... George II Jul 2014 #109

read some more in this thread bigtree Jul 2014 #110

I'll defer to Daniel Patrick Moynahan George II Jul 2014 #111

Sounds familiar. Didn't we do the same thing in Iraq? PatrickforO Jul 2014 #105