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noiretextatique

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99. you are preaching to the choir

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:57 PM

Apr 2012

however, i disagree that "dismissing" people is the problem. i think the larger problem is that some people identify with the 1%, eho ARE mostly white and male and wealthy. i cannot understand why stating that reality gets conflated into "dismissing everyone outside our groups." that's just nonsense, frankly. if you are here, you are my ally. but far too many in your racial and gender demographic indentify with, and vote for the 1%. there is nothing "wrong" or "dismissive" about stating that reality either. you can be sure that obama will get 90+% of the black vote, and probably a large percentage of the female vote. and a far too large % of the white male vote will go to the 1%. again...there is nothing "dismissive" about stating that reality.

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On white male, hetro privilege. [View all] MadHound Apr 2012 OP

"The question is, what do you want me to do about it?" understand, recognize, acknowledge seabeyond Apr 2012 #1

I think that if I worked for the betterment of women, minorities, and the LGBT community, MadHound Apr 2012 #3

if you did "understand, recognize, and ackowledge" mzteris Apr 2012 #5

i dont see it. maybe you do, maybe you dont, i do not know. but no.... seabeyond Apr 2012 #7

Fighting for rights is easy? Then why is it called 'fighting'? DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #62

understand what? hfojvt Apr 2012 #116

Here's one idea. Skinner Apr 2012 #2

I'm not mocking it, MadHound Apr 2012 #6

It doesn't only exist "for a lot of people". It exists, period. We all get to live in it. redqueen Apr 2012 #18

Well, first off, you assume a lot. MadHound Apr 2012 #23

So it's the fault of anyone who doesn't STFU about this stuff redqueen Apr 2012 #51

Did I say STFU? No. MadHound Apr 2012 #79

"Implied guilt" = bullshit. nt redqueen Apr 2012 #84

+1 HiPointDem Apr 2012 #107

I do mock it hfojvt Apr 2012 #121

You use your white male straight privilege mzteris Apr 2012 #4

I already stated that I do just that, MadHound Apr 2012 #8

If you don't want, or are unable, ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #29

Wow, more assumptions MadHound Apr 2012 #34

Aaaaaaaaaand . . . the difference IS mzteris Apr 2012 #38

So then what the fuck is it you want from him? SomethingFishy Apr 2012 #45

How about stop ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #49

Speaking of listening to what others are really saying MadHound Apr 2012 #67

Whatever ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #76

LOL! MadHound Apr 2012 #77

And ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #81

Well, let's take President Obama MadHound Apr 2012 #90

Stop trying to compare mzteris Apr 2012 #96

Here's the problem... TriMera Apr 2012 #9

Thank you, that is the most concise, coherent answer so far MadHound Apr 2012 #14

Individual circumstances vary. TriMera Apr 2012 #19

" my life has been far worse than many people who are African-American, gay, and/or female." redqueen Apr 2012 #20

guilt is nothing more than self-serving mental masterbation noiretextatique Apr 2012 #39

"if everyone personalizes the discussion." HiPointDem Apr 2012 #108

i agree noiretextatique Apr 2012 #111

thanks for hearing what i said and responding civilly. to more of that kind of discussion. cheers. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #112

no problem noiretextatique Apr 2012 #114

another reply I'd rec if I could varelse Apr 2012 #73

Thank you. n/t TriMera Apr 2012 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #10

'So what should I do to expunge this collective guilt? ' bart95 Apr 2012 #11

You know what Bart? You've got a problem. Noone is asking you to walk around in sack cloth & ashes Ecumenist Apr 2012 #26

in order to feel american, if not human noiretextatique Apr 2012 #56

And that's a damn shame. I have blood family in France, Spain and Italy and I have heard the same Ecumenist Apr 2012 #57

sort of...i live in the bay area, california noiretextatique Apr 2012 #97

here's another idea: stop identifying with the white, male power structure noiretextatique Apr 2012 #40

"stop identifying with the white, male power structure" redqueen Apr 2012 #85

yep noiretextatique Apr 2012 #98

I don't think most minorities expect us to go around apologizing for being white. RDANGELO Apr 2012 #12

^^This^^ n/t TriMera Apr 2012 #13

+2. nt bemildred Apr 2012 #22

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2012 #30

i don't...and i appreciate the contributions of white people noiretextatique Apr 2012 #41

It's not about guilt Marrah_G Apr 2012 #15

Well said. Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #16

And we are compelled to ask a series of questions LanternWaste Apr 2012 #17

Let me speak up as another white anglosaxon straight male DefenseLawyer Apr 2012 #21

Well said. n/t DLevine Apr 2012 #24

load of baloney... msongs Apr 2012 #25

There aren't billions of white men in the United States. DefenseLawyer Apr 2012 #28

You get it ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #31

Some folk honestly don't know, they've never been exposed to other cultures enought to have uponit7771 Apr 2012 #32

I think that is very true Marrah_G Apr 2012 #35

i do not think white skin exempts anyone from classism noiretextatique Apr 2012 #43

Nor does he speak for me. And I grew up extremely poor. joshcryer Apr 2012 #60

Do what you know to be right, LadyHawkAZ Apr 2012 #27

nothing. doh1 Apr 2012 #33

The point is that they want you to shut up..... eek MD Apr 2012 #36

and who is this 1%? noiretextatique Apr 2012 #50

+1! uponit7771 Apr 2012 #53

Who are they? eek MD Apr 2012 #58

+1000 n/t ElboRuum Apr 2012 #70

you are preaching to the choir noiretextatique Apr 2012 #99

Thank you for being an ally.... eek MD Apr 2012 #100

really...who are we, as allies fighting against? noiretextatique Apr 2012 #103

Cain, bachmann, palin aside? eek MD Apr 2012 #104

talk to me when an all black or all female congressional committee noiretextatique Apr 2012 #113

............... eek MD Apr 2012 #122

i don't have a problem with discussing any ill in society noiretextatique Apr 2012 #123

"Yes, it is the truth that most white men vote republican." But they didn't always. For example, HiPointDem Apr 2012 #115

the southern strategy noiretextatique Apr 2012 #118

Yes; and the acceding to that strategy by the Democrats. Which includes the gradual withdrawl from HiPointDem Apr 2012 #124

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #78

Yes..... eek MD Apr 2012 #87

I think ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #105

Quote eek MD Apr 2012 #106

I think we are arriving at a meeting of the minds ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #125

Forget it man.. you can't possibly win. SomethingFishy Apr 2012 #37

i think even the OP recognizes, at least now he does noiretextatique Apr 2012 #54

+ 1,000! DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #63

Who is "angry at white men"? I'm a white man, I'm not angry. joshcryer Apr 2012 #66

Get over yourself DefenseLawyer Apr 2012 #75

I don't know you, but it sounds like you're doing what you can. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #42

No one asked you to be guilty about white privilege any more sudopod Apr 2012 #44

+1000 noiretextatique Apr 2012 #46

I think part of the "guilt" is the unwillingness to acknowledge the reality or the lack of knowledge uponit7771 Apr 2012 #52

Boom! Brilliant reply. +1 joshcryer Apr 2012 #61

+1 fishwax Apr 2012 #80

Brilliant. nt redqueen Apr 2012 #86

And arguing as he does, he points a finger at gay and non-white people, closeupready Apr 2012 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Apr 2012 #47

i am a black woman who grew up in a middle-class household noiretextatique Apr 2012 #48

Michelle Obama is an attorney and First Lady, is she shielded from racism? obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #89

I have no doubt benefitted quaker bill Apr 2012 #55

"It did not close them" That's the key... YoungDemCA Apr 2012 #102

No one is saying "none of this matters." No one. joshcryer Apr 2012 #59

Not outright, but it IS implied a lot by a small, but very vocal minority. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #64

One may feel it is implied if they are too sensitive, I think. joshcryer Apr 2012 #65

Okay, scratch "implied", sometimes it's outright SAID. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #71

They said he should "be guilty" or that "none of this matters"? joshcryer Apr 2012 #72

i don't have white guilt, even if i do have white privilege CreekDog Apr 2012 #68

For what it is worth... ElboRuum Apr 2012 #69

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #74

Maybe you could join stormfront or vnnforum, good luck in your white priviledge journey!! Obamacare Apr 2012 #83

Wow, you simply don't do nuance, do you? MadHound Apr 2012 #91

unwarranted & not funny. namecalling & personal attack. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #110

Well since I personally never attack anyone based on superficialities such lunatica Apr 2012 #88

Another one who makes a huge leap, MadHound Apr 2012 #92

Yes, we want you to give part of your paycheck to ecstatic Apr 2012 #93

"The blah people?" MadHound Apr 2012 #94

Santorum coined the term ecstatic Apr 2012 #95

As a white straight male myself, here's what you (really, WE) can do.... YoungDemCA Apr 2012 #101

very well said- Bluerthanblue Apr 2012 #120

The greatest of good deeds go unnoticed. stlsaxman Apr 2012 #109

I hear you. But just imagine how worse off you would've been if you'd been female, black, Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #117

stop focusing on yourself- the "guilt" you feel, Bluerthanblue Apr 2012 #119

I'm suddenly curious about how many women agree with this kind of sentiment. redqueen Apr 2012 #126

i asked my friend kate about this noiretextatique Apr 2012 #127

Seems to me that most women would be more likely to get it... redqueen Apr 2012 #131

How about if you just leave me the fark alone. closeupready Apr 2012 #128

And you poor baby, tired of helping those less advantaged than you. closeupready Apr 2012 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Apr 2012 #130

you don't represent all men. Whisp Apr 2012 #133

Brah...seems you are venting, and attacking the messengers. Zorra Apr 2012 #134