[50 Shades] What two consenting adults do in their bedroom is NEVER your business.

[davidn3600]

271. BDSM isn't about brutality and demeaning women

The core of BDSM is consensuality.

You are arguing about a type of porn that is already illegal. Actual film of a real, actual rape is already illegal. That's a crime. And no one suggested otherwise. But that's not what's being discussed here. This is a movie. No one is being forced to do anything.

This here below is the point I am trying to make above...There are two very different feminist views on this. One does not make me a misogynist because I don't share your same view on porn.

Feminist opponents of pornography—such as Andrea Dworkin, Catharine MacKinnon, Robin Morgan, Diana Russell, Alice Schwarzer, Gail Dines, and Robert Jensen—argue that pornography is harmful to women, and constitutes strong causality or facilitation of violence against women.

Catharine McKinnon and Andrea Dworkin had separately staked out a position that pornography was inherently exploitative toward women, and they called for its censorship.[1] When Dworkin testified before the Meese Commission in 1986, she said that 65 to 70 percent of all women involved in the sex industries—such as prostitutes, film stars and models and presumably writers of certain kinds—had been victims of incest or child abuse, though she supplied no evidence to support this assertion.[1]

Andrea Dworkin's crusade against pornography during the 1980s brought her to national attention.[2]

Vs.

Sex-positive feminism (also known as sexually liberal feminism[citation needed] or pro-sex feminism) describes the belief that sexual liberation and sexual freedom are key components of women's liberation. The terms sex-positive feminism and pro-sex feminism are disputed within feminism.

Pornography is seen as being a medium for women's sexual expression in this view. Sex-positive feminists view many radical feminist views on sexuality, including views on pornography, as being as oppressive as those of patriarchal religions and ideologies, and argue that anti-pornography feminist discourse ignores and trivializes women's sexual agency. Ellen Willis (who coined the term "pro-sex feminism&quot states "As we saw it, the claim that 'pornography is violence against women' was code for the neo-Victorian idea that men want sex and women endure it."[21]

Sex-positive feminists take a variety of views towards existing pornography. Many sex-positive feminists see pornography as subverting many traditional ideas about women that they oppose, such as ideas that women do not like sex generally, only enjoy sex in a relational context, or that women only enjoy vanilla sex. They also argue that pornography sometimes shows women in sexually dominant roles and presents women with a greater variety of body types than are typical of mainstream entertainment and fashion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-pornography_feminism


And that there above is the reason I made my post suggesting sex-neg feminists are as oppressive as the far-right Christians. Maybe you disagree with that. That's fine. But that's my position on the matter.