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108. false attempt to link the deaths? They provided the correction themselves
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 08:33 PM
Jul 2014

. . . so I don't know how that shows some sort of attempt to deceive anyone.

Look at the statement you've made here:

"HUGE "we regret", and sloppy reporting or regurgitating. It appears an attempt was made to falsely connect the deaths of the three Israeli teenagers to the Israeli reactionary attacks on Gaza, when in fact there was zero connection. And the reported basically dismissed this bungling with a casual "we regret the error".


Why would it make a difference where Israelis provoked Hamas, if that was indeed the case? The claim is that it was Israel which provoked the violence by attacking first. That's not just expressed in this one article. It's a rather widely debated point.

here's a reasonably written account by J.J. Goldberg at the Jewish Daily Forward:

____ Once the boys’ disappearance was known, troops began a massive, 18-day search-and-rescue operation, entering thousands of homes, arresting and interrogating hundreds of individuals, racing against the clock. Only on July 1, after the boys’ bodies were found, did the truth come out: The government had known almost from the beginning that the boys were dead. It maintained the fiction that it hoped to find them alive as a pretext to dismantle Hamas’ West Bank operations.

The initial evidence was the recording of victim Gilad Shaer’s desperate cellphone call to Moked 100, Israel’s 911. When the tape reached the security services the next morning — neglected for hours by Moked 100 staff — the teen was heard whispering “They’ve kidnapped me” (“hatfu oti”) followed by shouts of “Heads down,” then gunfire, two groans, more shots, then singing in Arabic. That evening searchers found the kidnappers’ abandoned, torched Hyundai, with eight bullet holes and the boys’ DNA. There was no doubt.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu immediately placed a gag order on the deaths. Journalists who heard rumors were told the Shin Bet wanted the gag order to aid the search. For public consumption, the official word was that Israel was “acting on the assumption that they’re alive.” It was, simply put, a lie.

Nor was that the only fib. It was clear from the beginning that the kidnappers weren’t acting on orders from Hamas leadership in Gaza or Damascus. Hamas’ Hebron branch — more a crime family than a clandestine organization — had a history of acting without the leaders’ knowledge, sometimes against their interests. Yet Netanyahu repeatedly insisted Hamas was responsible for the crime and would pay for it.

This put him in a ticklish position. His rhetoric raised expectations that after demolishing Hamas in the West Bank he would proceed to Gaza. Hamas in Gaza began preparing for it. The Israeli right — settler leaders, hardliners in his own party — began demanding it.

But Netanyahu had no such intention. The last attack on Gaza, the eight-day Operation Pillar of Defense in November 2012, targeted Hamas leaders and taught a sobering lesson. Hamas hadn’t fired a single rocket since, and had largely suppressed fire by smaller jihadi groups. Rocket firings, averaging 240 per month in 2007, dropped to five per month in 2013. Neither side had any desire to end the détente. Besides, whatever might replace Hamas in Gaza could only be worse.

The kidnapping and crackdown upset the balance. In Israel, grief and anger over the boys’ disappearance grew steadily as the fabricated mystery stretched into a second and third week. Rallies and prayer meetings were held across the country and in Jewish communities around the world. The mothers were constantly on television. One addressed the United Nations in Geneva to plead for her son’s return. Jews everywhere were in anguish over the unceasing threat of barbaric Arab terror plaguing Israel.

When the bodies were finally found, Israelis’ anger exploded into calls for revenge, street riots and, finally, murder.

Amid the rising tension, cabinet meetings in Jerusalem turned into shouting matches. Ministers on the right demanded the army reoccupy Gaza and destroy Hamas. Netanyahu replied, backed by the army and liberal ministers, that the response must be measured and careful. It was an unaccustomed and plainly uncomfortable role for him. He was caught between his pragmatic and ideological impulses.

In Gaza, leaders went underground. Rocket enforcement squads stopped functioning and jihadi rocket firing spiked. Terror squads began preparing to counterattack Israel through tunnels. One tunnel exploded on June 19 in an apparent work accident, killing five Hamas gunmen, convincing some in Gaza that the Israeli assault had begun while reinforcing Israeli fears that Hamas was plotting terror all along.

On June 29, an Israeli air attack on a rocket squad killed a Hamas operative. Hamas protested. The next day it unleashed a rocket barrage, its first since 2012. The cease-fire was over. Israel was forced to retaliate for the rockets with air raids. Hamas retaliated for the raids with more rockets. And so on. Finally Israel began calling up reserves on July 8 and preparing for what, as Moti Almoz told Army Radio, “the political echelon instructed.”

Later that morning, Israel’s internal security minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch told reporters that the “political echelon has given the army a free hand.” Almoz returned to Army Radio that afternoon and confirmed that the army had “received an absolutely free hand” to act . . .


This is by no means the only account - of either the responsibility for the killings of the teens, or the responsibility for the attack and invasion of Gaza. You are certainly free to doubt the many accounts that assign responsibility, or maybe agree with them.

The only new revelation here, and the point of the post, is to highlight these new claims by the BBC reporter about what the police chief told him. The rest about who sparked the assault and invasion will likely not be resolved with this article or any other.

If you want to debate that, there are several folks on this thread who are already debating all of that. I'd suggest you engage with them over your concerns. - or, perhaps with the author of the article.

Jon Donnison's claims, however, are the most relevant part of this thread, I believe. You, obviously disagree. I think what I've provided (including the corrections in the article) speaks for itself.

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Figures.nt bravenak Jul 2014 #1
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #2
Shoot first Aerows Jul 2014 #3
And so, who is scheduled to speak to this on Sunday News shows? I guess, no one. nt kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #95
But, they got their pretext. delrem Jul 2014 #4
Exactly, if it hadn't been this incident it would have been another. I doubt they were going A Simple Game Jul 2014 #69
Israelis refer to "Cutting the Grass", equating slaying humanity with landscaping BlueStreak Jul 2014 #71
Exactly. I'm surprised this isn't mentioned more. nt Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2014 #101
Of course. The "right to defend ourselves" is such a heap of bullshit. GoneFishin Jul 2014 #80
Netanyahu has a lot of egg on his face... HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #5
Mossad Motto Unknown Beatle Jul 2014 #57
I highly recommend the book "By Way Of Deception - The Making and Unmaking Purveyor Jul 2014 #81
I'll look for it online Unknown Beatle Jul 2014 #94
Netanyahu, Bush, Cheney, Putin: dgibby Jul 2014 #68
I've got to ask... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #6
why don't I just remove that bigtree Jul 2014 #7
Sorry Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #9
they actually linked to the plagiarizing article in the report bigtree Jul 2014 #12
one of the editors at BuzzFeed has been bisted for plagiarism tishaLA Jul 2014 #13
Didn't the Israeli government also have knowledge those poor kids were already dead? Scootaloo Jul 2014 #8
Yes. But they didn't have the bodies, so they played out the drama BillZBubb Jul 2014 #15
That's appears to be true cpwm17 Jul 2014 #16
Not only that, but they lied to the kids' families for 18 days Ken Burch Jul 2014 #19
You don't know what they told the families. former9thward Jul 2014 #63
No. former9thward Jul 2014 #64
850 deaths later malaise Jul 2014 #10
Israel pulled a Dubya and attacked Hamas and the West Bank Tommy2Tone Jul 2014 #11
Yes, people that oppose Israel's unprovoked mass-murder against the Palestinians cpwm17 Jul 2014 #17
No comparison. Saddam wasnt firing rockets at the US every day. 7962 Jul 2014 #59
Israel fired the first shot. Hamas shot back. sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #90
Here's the story, its up to you whether to believe it or not. 7962 Jul 2014 #103
That article sounds like . . . MrModerate Jul 2014 #107
Coming from algemeiner.com, it very well could have been. Algemeiner is the Purveyor Jul 2014 #112
Yeah. Apparently, the IDF is the noble band of protectors . . . MrModerate Jul 2014 #113
Think about that a minute - just what would suffice as evidence? The only source for such Flatulo Jul 2014 #114
Settlements vs. Tunnels Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2014 #102
No surprise. Netanyahu lied and Israeli propaganists beat the war drums. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #14
Would it be a reach? SCVDem Jul 2014 #18
Not that it matters much, because the region is a powder keg that any spark will ignite... BlueCheese Jul 2014 #20
I think there was another step in there Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #23
I think you're right. I should have included that. eom BlueCheese Jul 2014 #25
Found it again. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #33
Yes, there was a "limited" bombing of Gaza - Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2014 #38
But is that accurate anyway? The article at first had a MAJOR error. George II Jul 2014 #97
Did it? What was the error? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #98
The article at first attempted to link the Gaza rocket firing to an Israeli invasion of Gaza.... George II Jul 2014 #99
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #21
I've been saying from the start... defacto7 Jul 2014 #22
Netanyahu's big lie. He can't rot in hell soon enough. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #24
k&r with arghhhhh uppityperson Jul 2014 #26
It wouldn't surprise me JimDandy Jul 2014 #27
Where are all the baby killer apologists? Board_Commentary Jul 2014 #28
a pity about the 900 dead palestinians shaayecanaan Jul 2014 #29
This should be Big Healine Leading News...yet only "NY Mag" has it? KoKo Jul 2014 #30
well, they're basing their report on this BBC journalist's word bigtree Jul 2014 #34
+10000 woo me with science Jul 2014 #62
K&R NealK Jul 2014 #31
This was obvious weeks ago. blackspade Jul 2014 #32
If you stop and think about it VA_Jill Jul 2014 #35
Tonkin. WMD. Battleship Maine. (nt) Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #36
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #37
See my comment and link above. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #40
A "Think Tank", huh? Most times, the simplest explanations are the correct ones. E-Z-B Jul 2014 #41
Take the link. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #42
They've killed hundreds of children, shameful, criminal and anyone who even tries to defend sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #47
Who said this? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2014 #106
here's another interesting, believable account bigtree Jul 2014 #43
Here's why Hamas fired the missiles. Karmadillo Jul 2014 #49
"First rocket fire in more than 19 months"? Bullshit. Nearly 200 attacks before July 7962 Jul 2014 #60
Bullshit? Here's a link from the Jerusalem Post quoting the IDF on Karmadillo Jul 2014 #66
The article said 1st rocket fire in 19 months. Thats not true. Thats what I posted. 7962 Jul 2014 #82
The first rocket fired by Hamas in 19 months. And they had embraced the peace Karmadillo Jul 2014 #84
I'd fire rockets too. sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author zonkers Jul 2014 #39
i don't think they said this was the reason they are going into GAza JI7 Jul 2014 #44
It is no coincidence that the Palestinians agreeing to a unity government in early June cpwm17 Jul 2014 #51
Yes. Netanyahu is scared to death of Palestinian unity. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #73
That is it, in a nutshell, and some in his cabinet make Bibi look like Ghandi. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #77
Well, we ARE the experts on invasions based upon "bad Intel." WinkyDink Jul 2014 #45
Shoot first, ask questions later. Pisces Jul 2014 #46
"Israel's top leadership" is like saying "Chairman Darrell Issa". Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #48
» bigtree Jul 2014 #50
I figured it was not Hamas. Made no sense. Not sure why Israel has come clean now of all times. McCamy Taylor Jul 2014 #52
No surprises what so ever in no small part because azurnoir Jul 2014 #53
War crimes anyone? Fearless Jul 2014 #54
Also: roitov.com/articles/18htm "3 Boys for the West Bank" dougolat Jul 2014 #55
Interesting that a false flag Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #56
Netanyahoo is pure Helgian Dialectic. If ballyhoo Jul 2014 #61
Palestinian teenager Muhammad Abu Khudair... KansDem Jul 2014 #58
Palestinians celebrated the kidnappings. former9thward Jul 2014 #65
What's your point? Karmadillo Jul 2014 #67
how do we know that? this look likes ifthar celebrations or something else quite innocuous La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #72
You are absolutely correct. Karmadillo Jul 2014 #74
You won't believe me former9thward Jul 2014 #79
you do know of course Israel kidnaps Palestinians all the time and are holding hundreds of them? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #83
By your logic the U.S. "kidnaps" border crossers. former9thward Jul 2014 #89
oh that is ridiculous - when you take noncombatants away without any legal charge or any need to Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #91
You're disrupting Bibi's pretext...thank you. K&R Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #70
Anyone recall the Nazis' use of a false flag operation to justify invading Poland? Divernan Jul 2014 #75
Hitler called it "propagandistic casus belli". Divernan Jul 2014 #76
Also, read yesterday that Israeli soldier was not captured... kentuck Jul 2014 #78
Not surprised at all, sadly. GoCubsGo Jul 2014 #85
False equivalency. Divernan Jul 2014 #87
Hogwash. GoCubsGo Jul 2014 #93
it is implausible that any serious Israeli security personnel ever thought it was. They would know Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #86
Oops, I guess.... grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #87
"likely didn't"? George II Jul 2014 #96
the author of the claim in the title is Jon Donnison bigtree Jul 2014 #100
Go to the bottom of your linked "Daily Dot" article: George II Jul 2014 #104
false attempt to link the deaths? They provided the correction themselves bigtree Jul 2014 #108
Yes, they issued a correction, but... George II Jul 2014 #109
read some more in this thread bigtree Jul 2014 #110
I'll defer to Daniel Patrick Moynahan George II Jul 2014 #111
Sounds familiar. Didn't we do the same thing in Iraq? PatrickforO Jul 2014 #105
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