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Luminous Animal

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55. TRIGGER WARNING ON THIS POST FOR ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN IN AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP.
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 12:34 AM
Jul 2014

I see it differently. The feminists that I admire on DU are not arguing against BDSM, they are arguing against the nonconsensual abuse. I spent much of my day researching both the text of these books and the feminist commentary about them, and it wasn't the sex that was bothersome (in fact, most of the sex scenes were downright boring) but, rather, the emotional and physical abuse. These books turn the BDSM scene on its head... which is about safety and boundaries; and yes, caring and concern.

Even though it has been 26 years since I escaped my abuser (and had to give up my apartment, my job, and go into hiding because he was actively hunting me down), what I read, outside of the sex scenes, was a classic map of an abuser and made me feel vulnerable and afraid... the constant criticism, controlling the conversation, controlling what the abused eats, wears, works, stalking, spying, isolating the abused from friends and family, verbal threats of physical violence and then actual physical violence.

This woman does a good job of chronicling the rape and abuse in the book and she produced a list but there are two things I'd like to highlight before producing the entire list.

http://das-sporking.livejournal.com/377666.html

1) Ana feels that she must do what Hellspawn wants, in bed or out or he’ll a) be violently angry, b) punish her (i.e., hit her, rape her, deny her orgasm, etc.) or c) dump her—in other words, her entire motive for accommodating him is fear;

2) Hellspawn and Ana are in a horrible, horrible relationship—not because of the consensual sex they’re having but because of, oh, everything else.

Now for the list of rape and abuse.

1) BDSM IS NOT THE SAME THING AS PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL ABUSE.

Newsflash, James—no one gives a damn whether or not Hellspawn ties Ana up or spanks Ana. As long as Ana’s okay with it and knows what she’s consenting to, that’s okay. The following things, however, demonstrate that this is a very, very twisted and abusive relationship:

a) Ana’s outright lack of consent in many scenes;

b) Her dubious consent in others (she doesn’t know anything about BDSM save what she reads in one Wikipedia article that upsets her so badly that she never reads anything else, nor does she know how it differs from conventional sex…or that it differs at all);

c) The multiple beatings and rapes (Chapters 12, 16 and 19-20), and Ana’s desire to escape from both;

d) The fact that Hellspawn clearly feels entitled to beat and rape Ana without her consent…and for very small offenses;

e) Ana’s perpetual description of him as “scary,” “menacing,” “intimidating,” and so on, as well as her description of her subconscious “hiding behind the couch” when he’s around;

f) Ana’s obvious immaturity (her language and behavior are more reminiscent of an overawed girl of eleven or twelve than a college graduate);

g) Ana’s obvious immaturity being a turn-on for Hellspawn, whereas her flashes of independence anger him (he’s an emotional pedophile, if not a physical one);

h) Hellspawn’s frequent lies (such as the contract labeled “submissive” even though he doesn’t want her submission to end in the bedroom; he wants a master-slave relationship with her 24/7 with no end in sight);

i) Hellspawn’s stalking (beginning a dossier on her a half hour after the interview ended, tracing her cell phone and following her cross-country);

j) The complete lack of trust in this relationship (Hellspawn is forever threatening Ana with beatings and rapes for looking at, talking to or even speaking of another male, while Ana is convinced that every woman in the world wants Hellspawn and that he’ll dump her the second he finds someone prettier);

k) The fact that neither of them progresses past the jealousy and lack of trust in the course of an entire book;

l) The relationship is isolating, leading Ana to lie to her family and friends and to pull away from them (because Ana believes that the NDA forbids her to say anything, even though she never read it);

m) Hellspawn keeps telling Ana how she feels and overriding her when she expresses an emotion or an idea that’s different;

n) Ana feels that she must do what Hellspawn wants, in bed or out or he’ll a) be violently angry, b) punish her (i.e., hit her, rape her, deny her orgasm, etc.) or c) dump her—in other words, her entire motive for accommodating him is fear;

o) The narrative absolves Hellspawn of responsibility for all of his controlling and abusive actions, blaming women for them instead (his birth mother for being poor, not feeding him enough and dying; his adoptive mother for being too demanding; Mrs. Robinson for turning him to BDSM and sexually enslaving him at fifteen—not because, as Ana states, because he was underage, but because he’s a MAN, and it’s implied that men shouldn’t be subs or sex slaves; and Ana for…well, every occasion when he gets mad at her); and

p) The book embraces the idea that all a woman needs to make her life complete is her Male True Love who will give her all the wonderful sex in the world…and if she doesn’t have him, she doesn’t have anything.

Any one of these things would make the relationship problematic—and the last two are so reactionary as to make me wince. Sixteen of them? Hellspawn and Ana are in a horrible, horrible relationship—not because of the consensual sex they’re having but because of, oh, everything else.


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Haven't read it, don't intend to, nor do I intend to see the movie Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #1
+10,000 Katashi_itto Jul 2014 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author lady lib Jul 2014 #130
That seems like an odd stance to take el_bryanto Jul 2014 #3
I believe in upholding the first amendment on general principles Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #4
I believe in upholding the first amendment as well el_bryanto Jul 2014 #5
For the record, I consider Ann Coulter's writing political pornography Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #8
Who has argued that we should burn books? el_bryanto Jul 2014 #16
Ha ha! Then we're on the same page. Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #18
OK - Fair enough - than I will happily continue to enjoy condemning this book and movie el_bryanto Jul 2014 #24
Absolutely! Proceed, that is your right. Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #26
The book and movie ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #45
So, you support applying the same standard to 50 Shades as one would Ann Coulter. progressoid Jul 2014 #23
In a way, yes. Both are crap based simply on the subjects. Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #29
+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #87
Funny, I don't recall your takaing that position toward Fox News or Rush Limbuagh BainsBane Jul 2014 #11
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #15
I'm pointing out a contradiction BainsBane Jul 2014 #17
Please tell me who I'm trying to silence. Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #19
Me, for one BainsBane Jul 2014 #21
Did you miss the IF? Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #22
So could you explain this sentence please? alp227 Jul 2014 #30
Touche! smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #82
+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #88
His response was revealing BainsBane Jul 2014 #95
And who is actually doing that to you? smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #86
There's a big difference SwankyXomb Jul 2014 #36
And nobody has said that. Nobody has said you aren't allowed to see it. el_bryanto Jul 2014 #40
..... +10 840high Jul 2014 #32
Moi aussi shanti Jul 2014 #41
However, by posting in this thread you are making it your business to an extent. cui bono Jul 2014 #128
I call BS. joeglow3 Jul 2014 #134
Sounds like wealth porn to me leftstreet Jul 2014 #6
Ugh Action_Patrol Jul 2014 #37
It pretty much is. JoeyT Jul 2014 #56
The idea that Christian Grey ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #79
Isn't most romance fiction based on wealth? leftstreet Jul 2014 #123
I wouldn't say they're based on wealth ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #129
Holy shit, thank you joeglow3 Jul 2014 #135
Like that Dragon Tattoo book/movie, no desire to read this one or see the movie due to uppityperson Jul 2014 #7
Dragon tatoo surely didn't glorify those things betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #10
Don't call me Shirley. uppityperson Jul 2014 #12
Lol! NealK Jul 2014 #52
Agreed. TDale313 Jul 2014 #34
Yeh, quite the opposite, in fact. Zorra Jul 2014 #127
Maybe you should read the book or see the film, because it glorified nothing ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #125
It was a hyped book betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #9
Not possible LTR Jul 2014 #51
Not every book or movie ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #13
I see it as conditioning and desensitizing. Like the Handmaiden's Tale. freshwest Jul 2014 #14
Excellent points BainsBane Jul 2014 #27
excellent post, freshwest Skittles Jul 2014 #31
These points are exactly ones made by seabeyond and thank you for this, freshwest = Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #70
I didn't see that post. Is that the one that got hidden? freshwest Jul 2014 #71
no that is not any one post by her but, it is the message and tone of all her posts (to me) Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #73
+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #90
Thanks. Great ideas here, but I prefer the semantic difference of 'conditioning' over 'teaching.' ancianita Jul 2014 #122
"What you decide to take into a public space... is fair game to be argued against and criticized." nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #20
I haven't seen anyone do so BainsBane Jul 2014 #25
That's what I saw as well... Whiskeytide Jul 2014 #38
I would believe that BainsBane Jul 2014 #39
"Neither person is wrong, but they really aren't talking about the same thing." nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #47
That is kind of bizarre, yes. And I didn't mean to imply that DUers are calling for a ban nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #42
50 Shades is poorly written Harmony Blue Jul 2014 #28
Cave art of suave, successful cavemen... Whiskeytide Jul 2014 #35
Cave Johnson? Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #94
It reads like bad fan fiction krawhitham Jul 2014 #96
Good post, succinct and dead on ... Whiskeytide Jul 2014 #33
The furor from me is that it is so horrifically written: Hissyspit Jul 2014 #43
Same here. I would never burn a book, but this stuff is a crime against literature. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #50
LOL! So true. Of course this type of book is not even something smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #91
This Harmony Blue Jul 2014 #57
maybe she unconsciously wants someone to bind and discipline her rambling prose n/t zazen Jul 2014 #117
the furor of the gullible GusBob Jul 2014 #44
This is a rerun of "The Story of O". Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #46
Yeah, I was also thinking of "The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty".... moriah Jul 2014 #64
"A Handmaid's Tale" is another one. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #68
I don't think anyone has ever seen "The Handmaid's Tale" as anything other than dystopian muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #114
Life is too short to read bad books or see bad movies or listen to bad music... NRaleighLiberal Jul 2014 #48
talk about erotic--those plant photos of yours are Georgia O'Keefe-like hot :-) zazen Jul 2014 #116
Anyone has the right to be a conservative douchebag LittleBlue Jul 2014 #49
TRIGGER WARNING ON THIS POST FOR ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN IN AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #55
What does her blog have to do with the replies I got in the other thread? LittleBlue Jul 2014 #58
Well, you offered zero links to that alleged "moral" argument. So I won't discuss that with you Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #60
If I linked, I would be hidden LittleBlue Jul 2014 #62
Actually, you won't be hidden unless you say something uncivil. You are free to link to any Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #65
I sent the link in a PM LittleBlue Jul 2014 #67
Okey-doke. You have one post from one morality police while ignoring the substantive criticism of Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #75
Go read Gravitycollapse's posts in the other thread, if you don't want to discuss it out of a vacuum moriah Jul 2014 #66
Which is a entirely different argument than one based on morality. And an interesting argument Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #77
If that's how you read it.... moriah Jul 2014 #78
Yep. I did not see anything that GravityCollapse wrote come from a moral objection. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #80
Very good summation of the issues, LA hlthe2b Jul 2014 #118
+1 agree slippery slope lunasun Jul 2014 #59
Right, so ban speech BainsBane Jul 2014 #69
Where did I say "ban speech"? LittleBlue Jul 2014 #72
I could say a lot of things BainsBane Jul 2014 #74
Not true LittleBlue Jul 2014 #76
Here is a synopsis of the book BainsBane Jul 2014 #81
"I don't expect that will deter you in the slightest." LittleBlue Jul 2014 #85
Funny, I see this as about BainsBane Jul 2014 #112
Different things turn different people on LTR Jul 2014 #53
Uh? What is more seduction than rape? Examples please. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #61
"Let me fuck you or I'll hit you" is more rape than seduction. pnwmom Jul 2014 #83
Yeah, breaking into a woman's house BainsBane Jul 2014 #113
Gawd, I need to write something badly written and full of weird sex. bravenak Jul 2014 #54
Are you guys going to force me to actually read this piece of tripe? moriah Jul 2014 #63
You don't need to read a lot of it. Just google 50 shades and rape. pnwmom Jul 2014 #84
Ah, but see, just because rape is depicted doesn't automatically make a book ban-worthy to me. moriah Jul 2014 #89
I'm NOT saying it's ban-worthy. Just avoid-worthy. pnwmom Jul 2014 #98
I was referring to the "punishment" scene at the end of the book, per Wiki. moriah Jul 2014 #101
The Red Room scene is when she first sees his sadistic side -- pnwmom Jul 2014 #102
I think bringing race into the discussion is silly, which is why I didn't address it. moriah Jul 2014 #104
I think it's bad no matter what the race of the female. It's just not as obviously bad pnwmom Jul 2014 #105
"Ana" rejects such a state, even if the matter is explored. moriah Jul 2014 #106
That is the real problem. bravenak Jul 2014 #107
It glamorizes it by associating it with this man's wealth, his helicopter rides, pnwmom Jul 2014 #111
I think a deeper feminist issue is why women find this kind of story to be erotic in the first place davidn3600 Jul 2014 #92
Well done ClarkeVII Jul 2014 #99
You have seen the link showing that the book is in fact depicts rape BainsBane Jul 2014 #109
It depicts rape, non-consensual BainsBane Jul 2014 #108
50 Shades? 50 Threads, More like. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #93
+1 krawhitham Jul 2014 #97
Now all it needs is 50 recs... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #103
You get 16 recs and whaddaya get, another day older and deeper in debt Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #110
Moralizing about fiction is absurd. Marr Jul 2014 #100
I have to agree. Thomas Mann must have been a real perv to write, "Death in Venice" way back in 1912 Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #115
That's funny - i don't feel ridiculous. But if I'm providing you with amusement, enjoy. nt el_bryanto Jul 2014 #119
I have no objection to anyone's opinion on the themes or quality of the FSOG series....HOWEVER brooklynite Jul 2014 #120
I suspect it's about trying to distract from this: woo me with science Jul 2014 #121
I suspect you're right. nt. sibelian Jul 2014 #124
I thought it was about selling movie tickets. Iggo Jul 2014 #126
I think the book should be banned because it's so poorly written justiceischeap Jul 2014 #131
Curious. Does 50 shades of Grey mention FGM? Quantess Jul 2014 #132
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