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smirkymonkey

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Sun Jul 27, 2014, 02:47 AM

Jul 2014

It's funny how freedom of speech seems to be a one way street for some people. They simply don't get the fact that freedom of speech applies to all, not just to those who agree with you.

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The furor around 50 Shades of Grey isn't about what happens in private bedrooms [View all] el_bryanto Jul 2014 OP

Haven't read it, don't intend to, nor do I intend to see the movie Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #1

+10,000 Katashi_itto Jul 2014 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author lady lib Jul 2014 #130

That seems like an odd stance to take el_bryanto Jul 2014 #3

I believe in upholding the first amendment on general principles Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #4

I believe in upholding the first amendment as well el_bryanto Jul 2014 #5

For the record, I consider Ann Coulter's writing political pornography Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #8

Who has argued that we should burn books? el_bryanto Jul 2014 #16

Ha ha! Then we're on the same page. Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #18

OK - Fair enough - than I will happily continue to enjoy condemning this book and movie el_bryanto Jul 2014 #24

Absolutely! Proceed, that is your right. Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #26

The book and movie ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #45

So, you support applying the same standard to 50 Shades as one would Ann Coulter. progressoid Jul 2014 #23

In a way, yes. Both are crap based simply on the subjects. Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #29

+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #87

Funny, I don't recall your takaing that position toward Fox News or Rush Limbuagh BainsBane Jul 2014 #11

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I'm pointing out a contradiction BainsBane Jul 2014 #17

Please tell me who I'm trying to silence. Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #19

Me, for one BainsBane Jul 2014 #21

Did you miss the IF? Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #22

So could you explain this sentence please? alp227 Jul 2014 #30

Touche! smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #82

+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #88

His response was revealing BainsBane Jul 2014 #95

And who is actually doing that to you? smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #86

There's a big difference SwankyXomb Jul 2014 #36

And nobody has said that. Nobody has said you aren't allowed to see it. el_bryanto Jul 2014 #40

..... +10 840high Jul 2014 #32

Moi aussi shanti Jul 2014 #41

However, by posting in this thread you are making it your business to an extent. cui bono Jul 2014 #128

I call BS. joeglow3 Jul 2014 #134

Sounds like wealth porn to me leftstreet Jul 2014 #6

Ugh Action_Patrol Jul 2014 #37

It pretty much is. JoeyT Jul 2014 #56

The idea that Christian Grey ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #79

Isn't most romance fiction based on wealth? leftstreet Jul 2014 #123

I wouldn't say they're based on wealth ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #129

Holy shit, thank you joeglow3 Jul 2014 #135

Like that Dragon Tattoo book/movie, no desire to read this one or see the movie due to uppityperson Jul 2014 #7

Dragon tatoo surely didn't glorify those things betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #10

Don't call me Shirley. uppityperson Jul 2014 #12

Lol! NealK Jul 2014 #52

Agreed. TDale313 Jul 2014 #34

Yeh, quite the opposite, in fact. Zorra Jul 2014 #127

Maybe you should read the book or see the film, because it glorified nothing ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #125

It was a hyped book betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #9

Not possible LTR Jul 2014 #51

Not every book or movie ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #13

I see it as conditioning and desensitizing. Like the Handmaiden's Tale. freshwest Jul 2014 #14

Excellent points BainsBane Jul 2014 #27

excellent post, freshwest Skittles Jul 2014 #31

These points are exactly ones made by seabeyond and thank you for this, freshwest = Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #70

I didn't see that post. Is that the one that got hidden? freshwest Jul 2014 #71

no that is not any one post by her but, it is the message and tone of all her posts (to me) Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #73

+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #90

Thanks. Great ideas here, but I prefer the semantic difference of 'conditioning' over 'teaching.' ancianita Jul 2014 #122

"What you decide to take into a public space... is fair game to be argued against and criticized." nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #20

I haven't seen anyone do so BainsBane Jul 2014 #25

That's what I saw as well... Whiskeytide Jul 2014 #38

I would believe that BainsBane Jul 2014 #39

"Neither person is wrong, but they really aren't talking about the same thing." nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #47

That is kind of bizarre, yes. And I didn't mean to imply that DUers are calling for a ban nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #42

50 Shades is poorly written Harmony Blue Jul 2014 #28

Cave art of suave, successful cavemen... Whiskeytide Jul 2014 #35

Cave Johnson? Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #94

It reads like bad fan fiction krawhitham Jul 2014 #96

Good post, succinct and dead on ... Whiskeytide Jul 2014 #33

The furor from me is that it is so horrifically written: Hissyspit Jul 2014 #43

Same here. I would never burn a book, but this stuff is a crime against literature. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #50

LOL! So true. Of course this type of book is not even something smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #91

This Harmony Blue Jul 2014 #57

maybe she unconsciously wants someone to bind and discipline her rambling prose n/t zazen Jul 2014 #117

the furor of the gullible GusBob Jul 2014 #44

This is a rerun of "The Story of O". Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #46

Yeah, I was also thinking of "The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty".... moriah Jul 2014 #64

"A Handmaid's Tale" is another one. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #68

I don't think anyone has ever seen "The Handmaid's Tale" as anything other than dystopian muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #114

Life is too short to read bad books or see bad movies or listen to bad music... NRaleighLiberal Jul 2014 #48

talk about erotic--those plant photos of yours are Georgia O'Keefe-like hot :-) zazen Jul 2014 #116

Anyone has the right to be a conservative douchebag LittleBlue Jul 2014 #49

TRIGGER WARNING ON THIS POST FOR ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN IN AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #55

What does her blog have to do with the replies I got in the other thread? LittleBlue Jul 2014 #58

Well, you offered zero links to that alleged "moral" argument. So I won't discuss that with you Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #60

If I linked, I would be hidden LittleBlue Jul 2014 #62

Actually, you won't be hidden unless you say something uncivil. You are free to link to any Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #65

I sent the link in a PM LittleBlue Jul 2014 #67

Okey-doke. You have one post from one morality police while ignoring the substantive criticism of Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #75

Go read Gravitycollapse's posts in the other thread, if you don't want to discuss it out of a vacuum moriah Jul 2014 #66

Which is a entirely different argument than one based on morality. And an interesting argument Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #77

If that's how you read it.... moriah Jul 2014 #78

Yep. I did not see anything that GravityCollapse wrote come from a moral objection. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #80

Very good summation of the issues, LA hlthe2b Jul 2014 #118

+1 agree slippery slope lunasun Jul 2014 #59

Right, so ban speech BainsBane Jul 2014 #69

Where did I say "ban speech"? LittleBlue Jul 2014 #72

I could say a lot of things BainsBane Jul 2014 #74

Not true LittleBlue Jul 2014 #76

Here is a synopsis of the book BainsBane Jul 2014 #81

"I don't expect that will deter you in the slightest." LittleBlue Jul 2014 #85

Funny, I see this as about BainsBane Jul 2014 #112

Different things turn different people on LTR Jul 2014 #53

Uh? What is more seduction than rape? Examples please. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #61

"Let me fuck you or I'll hit you" is more rape than seduction. pnwmom Jul 2014 #83

Yeah, breaking into a woman's house BainsBane Jul 2014 #113

Gawd, I need to write something badly written and full of weird sex. bravenak Jul 2014 #54

Are you guys going to force me to actually read this piece of tripe? moriah Jul 2014 #63

You don't need to read a lot of it. Just google 50 shades and rape. pnwmom Jul 2014 #84

Ah, but see, just because rape is depicted doesn't automatically make a book ban-worthy to me. moriah Jul 2014 #89

I'm NOT saying it's ban-worthy. Just avoid-worthy. pnwmom Jul 2014 #98

I was referring to the "punishment" scene at the end of the book, per Wiki. moriah Jul 2014 #101

The Red Room scene is when she first sees his sadistic side -- pnwmom Jul 2014 #102

I think bringing race into the discussion is silly, which is why I didn't address it. moriah Jul 2014 #104

I think it's bad no matter what the race of the female. It's just not as obviously bad pnwmom Jul 2014 #105

"Ana" rejects such a state, even if the matter is explored. moriah Jul 2014 #106

That is the real problem. bravenak Jul 2014 #107

It glamorizes it by associating it with this man's wealth, his helicopter rides, pnwmom Jul 2014 #111

I think a deeper feminist issue is why women find this kind of story to be erotic in the first place davidn3600 Jul 2014 #92

Well done ClarkeVII Jul 2014 #99

You have seen the link showing that the book is in fact depicts rape BainsBane Jul 2014 #109

It depicts rape, non-consensual BainsBane Jul 2014 #108

50 Shades? 50 Threads, More like. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #93

+1 krawhitham Jul 2014 #97

Now all it needs is 50 recs... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #103

You get 16 recs and whaddaya get, another day older and deeper in debt Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #110

Moralizing about fiction is absurd. Marr Jul 2014 #100

I have to agree. Thomas Mann must have been a real perv to write, "Death in Venice" way back in 1912 Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #115

That's funny - i don't feel ridiculous. But if I'm providing you with amusement, enjoy. nt el_bryanto Jul 2014 #119

I have no objection to anyone's opinion on the themes or quality of the FSOG series....HOWEVER brooklynite Jul 2014 #120

I suspect it's about trying to distract from this: woo me with science Jul 2014 #121

I suspect you're right. nt. sibelian Jul 2014 #124

I thought it was about selling movie tickets. Iggo Jul 2014 #126

I think the book should be banned because it's so poorly written justiceischeap Jul 2014 #131

Curious. Does 50 shades of Grey mention FGM? Quantess Jul 2014 #132

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