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Zorra

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299. A) I don't feel qualified to determine if a reasonably healthy, well rounded individual is

Sun Jul 27, 2014, 11:40 AM

Jul 2014

"neurotic".

B) She tied the behavior to religious people and Judeo-Christian ethics based American culture altering the development of her sex behavior needs; I believed and trusted what she told me, and moved on with that information to do the best I could to love and support her.

C) To the best of my knowledge, I'm not capable of "curing" anyone's fixed sex behavior preferences, I don't assume I can, or should, and don't feel it's my place to try to do so unless someone maybe asks for my help in some way. She simply liked vanilla bondage sometimes; I don't have a problem with that; if she needed me to cause her pain, that would have been a game changer for me. It's not like she had some fatal relationship killing flaw, like being a Republican, or something else as seriously debilitating as that. People are individuals, we are who we are, and if we find someone with certain qualities that we are attracted to and we commit to a relationship with them, we pretty much have to accept some things about the other person that may not fit our perfect ideal of a partner or the relationship was over before it began.

D) Relationships require agreement and compromise. We determine what we can, and cannot live with. It's not my place to try to change the person I choose to be with. I can't make anyone happy. My place in a committed relationship, in my worldview, is to love, cherish, and support the person I choose to be with, to the very best of my ability. When I agree to be in a committed relationship with someone, I accept the whole person, and take it from there, doing the best I can to help me, my partner, and the relationship itself, continually evolve into something more beautiful.

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[50 Shades] What two consenting adults do in their bedroom is NEVER your business. [View all] Michigander_Life Jul 2014 OP

Thank you! NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #1

Is it jealousy? chrisa Jul 2014 #62

I honestly don't know. Resentment might be a better word. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #65

i doubt that it will be as big as they think because so much time went by. roguevalley Jul 2014 #226

Obsessed? What a jab. Check out who started the two ops. And who told duers to shut up. seabeyond Jul 2014 #75

Um...the book is actually FICTION for entertainment. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #77

entertainment of the rape and sexual torture of a woman. seabeyond Jul 2014 #78

Again, it's fiction. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #79

and again... did i say anywhere people were not ALLOWED to write fiction? is this really how you seabeyond Jul 2014 #80

No, just pointing it out in case you weren't aware. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #81

irrelevant. at least in this post, you did not fabricate and accusation against me. well done. seabeyond Jul 2014 #84

let me point out again, the post you replied to, was about being accused of being OBSESSED with the seabeyond Jul 2014 #83

It seems to me a lot of people are obsessed with it. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #86

you seem to be about the most obsessed. i do not give a flying shit about a movie that will bomb. seabeyond Jul 2014 #94

On this, I stand with you. Laelth Jul 2014 #298

Wait, are we talking about what happens in the bedroom or the theater/library/bookstore? progressoid Jul 2014 #172

That's an excellent question. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #196

I really don't care what other people find entertaining. That's the point. chrisa Jul 2014 #90

ok. you bring in obsessed in an OP telling people they are not allowed to say anything *mean* about seabeyond Jul 2014 #92

Why are you misquoting me? Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #97

i am calling you out, as so many other in htis thread read the same way. [50 shades] seabeyond Jul 2014 #99

You misquoted me. Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #101

i do not give a flying fuck what people do in their bedroom. we agree. i do give a fuck about an OP seabeyond Jul 2014 #104

That's not what the OP said. Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #107

you did not request. you tied in a movie to peoples bedroom and told them they had no right to say seabeyond Jul 2014 #108

You're projecting. I never said anything like that. Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #109

no. i am not projecting. and too many people on this thread say exactly what i am. YOU.... seabeyond Jul 2014 #112

I didn't tell you or anyone else to STFU. Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #117

i will expect to see you refute that accusation in a number of posts, in this thread, by a good # of seabeyond Jul 2014 #118

No need to refute anything. Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #120

omg.... thru out the thread poster after poster says the same as i. done with you. too fuggin easy seabeyond Jul 2014 #122

Have a great day. Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #126

i took the quotes out. was a general over what was being said. seabeyond Jul 2014 #106

They have the right to argue people shouldn't see it treestar Jul 2014 #301

I thought the thread was about what two consenting adults did in their bedrooms. moriah Jul 2014 #156

[50 shades] he was linking to another thread talking about 50 shades and a group opposed to the seabeyond Jul 2014 #162

There were people in that thread criticizing BDSM entirely, I'm having a discussion with one now. moriah Jul 2014 #169

Take a look at where he thinks he is seeing people arguing against any acts of consensual sex. Squinch Jul 2014 #261

fictional characters have privacy rights? Enrique Jul 2014 #2

Pretty stupid, right? redqueen Jul 2014 #25

The moral ones think it is their right to force their values on everyone else. liberal N proud Jul 2014 #3

"Moral" in quotes... NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #6

bdsm community trashed the movie... get on their ass about being the "moral" police. how DARE they seabeyond Jul 2014 #53

And I trashed "Hannibal Rising." Your point? NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #56

ha seabeyond Jul 2014 #61

Ugh, you were right to. So disappointed in that movie. Just terrible. (nt) Inkfreak Jul 2014 #158

Are they arguing that it be against the law? treestar Jul 2014 #302

They would and will when they can. liberal N proud Jul 2014 #306

I don't think that is necessarily true treestar Jul 2014 #309

Did anyone here say differently? I haven't seen any posts or threads on 50 Shades. Squinch Jul 2014 #4

There are several such posts in this thread: Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #5

Evidently some adults(?) believe that if they don't consent, no one should. hobbit709 Jul 2014 #7

And that THEIR consent is necessary for others' private acts. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #8

Exactly. Of course my usual response to the Morality police is "Up Yours" hobbit709 Jul 2014 #9

If you read through the posts in that referenced thread, none of them say anything Squinch Jul 2014 #154

Read through the thread he referenced. There are no posts in that thread that say anything of the Squinch Jul 2014 #152

I just read through the whole thing and didn't find anything where people were objecting to Squinch Jul 2014 #151

So one of the adults beating the other whistler162 Jul 2014 #10

My only complaint is it looks like a very bad movie CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #11

BDSM practitioners tore the book up because it glorifies NON consensual abuse. redqueen Jul 2014 #28

it was the same type of ignorant fool who bought the book from media and pr hype only to find it was seabeyond Jul 2014 #31

"it was so titillating to point the finger at the middle age women getting off on...sexual abuse" redqueen Jul 2014 #38

I agree 100%. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #200

I only read a little excerpt CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #32

Exactly. It is fucking sick. But here we have DU's usual FREEDUMB BECAUSE SEXXXY TIMES brigade redqueen Jul 2014 #34

glorifying violence against women. But that's ... well ... "FUN" per those in this thread and seabeyond Jul 2014 #40

I know. I can't even. redqueen Jul 2014 #42

the movie will be a fail, i did not post in the other thread. an OP telling me i am not allowed to seabeyond Jul 2014 #44

100 n/t whathehell Jul 2014 #82

The problem with the story wasn't the sex itself LadyHawkAZ Jul 2014 #87

I don't really understand why so many people were into that book. alarimer Jul 2014 #124

media and pr hyped it as a huge ass giglle about middle aged women getting off on sexual abuse seabeyond Jul 2014 #130

I detested those books LadyHawkAZ Jul 2014 #188

Exactly. RiffRandell Jul 2014 #233

Haha, I went and looked that up today too LadyHawkAZ Jul 2014 #278

Wait...I linked the wrong thread! RiffRandell Jul 2014 #283

Thank you! whathehell Jul 2014 #43

BDSM practitioners bash it for lack of "safe play." joshcryer Jul 2014 #280

In the book, it is consensual abuse mainer Jul 2014 #293

the movie is for public consumption. if it stayed behind closed doors in the bedroom, and not seabeyond Jul 2014 #12

This is pretty much correct. el_bryanto Jul 2014 #13

I think this particular thread is a response to... NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #14

of course people have the right to call the shit out for what it is, whether it is because they seabeyond Jul 2014 #15

As I posted in the other thread... NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #17

it is rape and torture of a woman for others entertainment. people certainly have the right to seabeyond Jul 2014 #19

Don't like it, don't read it. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #21

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I'll just let your previous posts speak for themselves. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #29

ah, now you are trying to demonize me with vague innuendo of guilt from fathom posts? seabeyond Jul 2014 #33

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again, a fail. this is an OP telling people they are not allowed to say anything about a woman raped seabeyond Jul 2014 #47

Okay...so your meme of the day is fail. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #52

whatever natural. you did not actually address anything i posted and spent your time fabricating seabeyond Jul 2014 #55

Do you approve of snuff films as well? pnwmom Jul 2014 #164

Don't like Seabeyond's comments, don't read them.. whathehell Jul 2014 #48

thank you. all these thought police telling us we are not even allowed to speak. i tell you. seabeyond Jul 2014 #49

You are welcome, whathehell Jul 2014 #68

And I have the right to disagree...ad infitum. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #58

Yeah, and I have the right to disagree with your disagreement...ad infinitum. whathehell Jul 2014 #63

That was kind of the point of the ad infinitum. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #66

No shit, Sherlock whathehell Jul 2014 #265

Shit, they go on about Teletubbies BainsBane Jul 2014 #20

I'm afraid the First Amendment does allow other people to "warn" you if they can treestar Jul 2014 #69

You're right. As I said below: NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #76

Wait, why don't people have the right to "warn" others not to see the movie DanTex Jul 2014 #70

Okay, poor choice of words. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #74

who determines who has the right to warn people not to see a movie? el_bryanto Jul 2014 #149

Are you suggesting censorship? Don't people who dislike the message of a movie pnwmom Jul 2014 #165

I think el bryanto is agreeing with that point. Squinch Jul 2014 #264

Your issue is with the word "warn" in a headline of a story about a book? For that you decided Squinch Jul 2014 #263

I find it bizarre BainsBane Jul 2014 #18

if it has to do with the sexual abuse and denigration of our girls and woman, we certainly have the seabeyond Jul 2014 #22

Actually, the title of the OP is... NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #30

YOU gave me the link to the other thread about the movie being SPECIFICALLY what this OP is about. seabeyond Jul 2014 #36

Uh no, I gave you the Title. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #45

and again, link to where i told anyone what to do.... you and others in this thread were the ones seabeyond Jul 2014 #51

failfailfailfailfail... NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #54

Did you? ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #142

Yes, but it's a movie kcr Jul 2014 #57

It's a movie BainsBane Jul 2014 #16

Making a book/movie glamorizing abusive relationships and domestic violence, redqueen Jul 2014 #23

Yes, we've adopted such a kneejerk fear of censorship, which doesn't apply here, anyway, whathehell Jul 2014 #95

"Misogyny is the last acceptable bigotry of the Left". seabeyond Jul 2014 #100

+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #269

Thank you, Smirky. whathehell Jul 2014 #270

Your absolutely wrong. It is our business. Hoppy Jul 2014 #26

Hilarious ClarkeVII Jul 2014 #222

The number of consenting adults shouldn't even be considered either shedevil69taz Jul 2014 #27

STOP DOING THINGS I DON'T LIKE!!! Seeking Serenity Jul 2014 #35

Just so you know, you're characterizing ABUSE as "fun". redqueen Jul 2014 #39

No, I'm not characterizing abuse as fun Seeking Serenity Jul 2014 #46

That book was torn up by BDSM practitioners because it glorifies ABUSE. redqueen Jul 2014 #50

I don't know from BDSM practitioners Seeking Serenity Jul 2014 #67

I find it disingenuous chervilant Jul 2014 #274

I have no desire what so ever to read it or see it Marrah_G Jul 2014 #125

Yup ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #140

Wait - I just read upthread the the BDSM in the book was consensual. Was it or wasnt it? Flatulo Jul 2014 #310

So WHEN is it OK to take a moral stance, regarding "morality brigades"? alp227 Jul 2014 #247

Thank you...It's about time someone asked this question, and, yes, whathehell Jul 2014 #297

I don't know, when it comes to BDSM it's more complex than that treestar Jul 2014 #72

Hey I'd like to argue that we should invade Iran, Syria and Iraq. That'd be fun to me. el_bryanto Jul 2014 #171

Except in the case of one country invading another is the lack of consent mythology Jul 2014 #203

And there's a reason why people consider 50 shades of grey not really a true depiction of BSDM. el_bryanto Jul 2014 #219

Is that a real argument? alp227 Jul 2014 #246

But what actors do on screen is anyone's and everyone's business, freedom fighter jh Jul 2014 #37

It's a movie, bro..Ever heard of something called a cultural critique? whathehell Jul 2014 #59

Yep. That's why I'm not seeing this movie. None of my business. merrily Jul 2014 #60

As I used to roam around the neighborhood at night packman Jul 2014 #64

This movie will help begin a long discourse on the subject Tribalceltic Jul 2014 #71

I love love LOVE that this movie coming out at this moment in history!! DesertDiamond Jul 2014 #73

It's a goddamn movie genius. JTFrog Jul 2014 #85

Your post was alerted on. I was surprised the results were so close. Trillo Jul 2014 #88

Well, I wonder which self-righteous clown was the alerter. hobbit709 Jul 2014 #91

Looks like some have an issue with the poster, not the post content. Absurd. And prime example... wyldwolf Jul 2014 #105

At least one juror states that outright. Trillo Jul 2014 #110

I'm sure it's possible, but would be difficult wyldwolf Jul 2014 #111

I disagree with the alert. But the OP does completely miss the point of the other threads. n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #285

It's a friggin' movie. TDale313 Jul 2014 #89

I haven't read the book or seen the movie, and I'm unlikely to Trillo Jul 2014 #96

It's consensual BDSM from my understanding wyldwolf Jul 2014 #119

It's my understanding that the consensual part TDale313 Jul 2014 #134

It seems like BDSM is a nearly perfect allegory for our police state. Trillo Jul 2014 #135

I thought that the books were about that, too. Turns out, they are not... Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #268

I know, this OP has puzzled me. smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #272

Back around 1975 there was a big stink over the movie... TreasonousBastard Jul 2014 #93

theaters near me were bullied into not showing 'Last Temptation of Christ' in the 80s wyldwolf Jul 2014 #116

But you just can't help wondering if... TreasonousBastard Jul 2014 #127

An OKlahoma Cable Company blocked it when Cinemax showed it the first time CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #157

People bored with their sex lives Lex Jul 2014 #98

There must be a lot of people bored with their sex lives because the books were so popular. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #207

Yes, there must be. Lex Jul 2014 #209

Haven't read the book, don't intend to see the movie. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #102

I support people's rights to criticize movies! nt Bonobo Jul 2014 #103

Me, too, as long as it doesn't cross the lines of harassment wyldwolf Jul 2014 #113

Yup. Criticize all you want, but don't you DARE get in my way or in if I choose to go see it. nt Bonobo Jul 2014 #115

One night I watched a movie entitled "Secretary" with Maggie Gyllenhaal and James Spader Skidmore Jul 2014 #114

It's my belief that the author basically ripped off "Secretary" and made it into a book arcane1 Jul 2014 #262

It's dangerous to deny people the personal authority to consent. Laelth Jul 2014 #303

Did someone say BDSM? SmittynMo Jul 2014 #121

Thanks for the comic relief. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #211

A movie that annoys the Christian teabaggers AND the sex-negative feminists? davidn3600 Jul 2014 #123

And the jury results are in.... aikoaiko Jul 2014 #132

Juror #4 nailed it. pintobean Jul 2014 #178

in the future when we state your OPs are about "annoying" the feminists, kindly remember this seabeyond Jul 2014 #136

No...I just find sex-negative feminists to be as socially oppressive as tea baggers davidn3600 Jul 2014 #139

yes, i understand your repeated use of sex negative is to annoy feminist, using their sexuality seabeyond Jul 2014 #144

I don't keep a journal of everyone's posts on here davidn3600 Jul 2014 #150

you made specific false accusations about me, and when refuted you now make false accusations that seabeyond Jul 2014 #153

You are the one that replied to me! davidn3600 Jul 2014 #160

yes. i called to attention your continued efforts to annoy feminists cause it is ..... fun seabeyond Jul 2014 #161

And I never said all feminsits...I said sex-negative feminists davidn3600 Jul 2014 #166

You insulted the feminist you were speaking to BainsBane Jul 2014 #241

Rick Santorum & the Religious Right are against porn for completely whathehell Jul 2014 #292

Finding sado-masochism distasteful must be "sex negative", LOL whathehell Jul 2014 #304

"sex negative feminists" BainsBane Jul 2014 #174

He didn't claim that"feminists are sex negative". He wrote that the Doctor_J Jul 2014 #180

He insulted Seabeyond as a "sex negative feminist" BainsBane Jul 2014 #181

"Sex negative"?...Maybe you mean "brutalized and demeaned" negative. whathehell Jul 2014 #267

BDSM isn't about brutality and demeaning women davidn3600 Jul 2014 #271

Of course it is, although I know men can be "brutalized & demeaned" as well. whathehell Jul 2014 #288

That's the big mystery of this book. JVS Jul 2014 #245

When they make and publish a movie about it, it can be. n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #128

bingo. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #141

Do Women feel the book or movie is misogynistic? if so, then it is and I wont watch... randys1 Jul 2014 #129

Dude, women are buying this book like hotcakes davidn3600 Jul 2014 #131

then trashing and saying wtf..... as media hyped the pr sales. it gets a 2 rating out of 5 stars. seabeyond Jul 2014 #138

And lots of women vote for tea baggers, too. pnwmom Jul 2014 #163

I understand that, but... davidn3600 Jul 2014 #170

Sex sells. And people were curious. But I know women who wished they hadn't wasted their money. pnwmom Jul 2014 #243

Some probably do, others probably don't -- women are not a hive mind. Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #137

Really, I thought they did have a hive mind...learn something new everyday randys1 Jul 2014 #143

A great many do. JoeyT Jul 2014 #145

or what FICTIONAL MOVIES THEY WATCH Doctor_J Jul 2014 #133

Not 100% true; otherwise Hobby Lobby has an argument maced666 Jul 2014 #146

I thought I'd accidentally stumbled into The Red Pill again. JoeyT Jul 2014 #147

+1. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #155

...because everyone doesn't agree with you on this particular issue. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #177

Well by all means, JoeyT Jul 2014 #210

It's not that ClarkeVII Jul 2014 #224

because no true "liberal" would disagree with Morality in Media, Phylis Shlafly, and Rick Santorum? Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #232

Well then perhaps you can explain JoeyT Jul 2014 #244

I dont think the book is liberal. I suspect it is, at best, exceptionally shitty writing. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #248

agreed. La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #148

The MESSAGE of this movie is as debatable as anything on DU. pnwmom Jul 2014 #159

(Text NSFW or anyone upset by sex). I personally believe that deriving sexual pleasure Zorra Jul 2014 #167

Where do you draw the line? (Following NSFW pattern here in text) moriah Jul 2014 #202

Good question. Zorra Jul 2014 #282

So your GF's attraction to that kind of sex Shankapotomus Jul 2014 #296

A) I don't feel qualified to determine if a reasonably healthy, well rounded individual is Zorra Jul 2014 #299

What? Iggo Jul 2014 #168

Sex police? I'm here with the quality police Scootaloo Jul 2014 #173

It's fanfiction for christsakes. Those aren't consenting adults, they're actors. bravenak Jul 2014 #175

The common theme in many of the sex police posts Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #176

IT'S NOT THE SEX!!!! bravenak Jul 2014 #179

I'm afraid it's far, far, too late. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #182

As my eight year old would say, " So Gwoss!"nt bravenak Jul 2014 #184

So says the guy who alerted on a nipple. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #183

Boom goes the dynamite!nt bravenak Jul 2014 #185

That wasn't the alert Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #186

And us giving our opinion is like our own special type of NSFW tag. bravenak Jul 2014 #192

Indeed BainsBane Jul 2014 #187

...and the jury is in. eggplant Jul 2014 #197

Thx. Must have struck a nerve . nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #215

Juror 1 got to the heart of the issue BainsBane Jul 2014 #216

Thanks. eggplant Jul 2014 #260

ROFL Bobbie Jo Jul 2014 #205

but not breastfeeding BainsBane Jul 2014 #189

Breast feeding is wonderful and should be encouraged. Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #190

You write this OP equating criticism of a film BainsBane Jul 2014 #194

45 people believe Americans have no right to comment on movies BainsBane Jul 2014 #191

45 people believe two consenting adults shouldn't be berated and belittled for their sexual choices Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #193

Which two adults are those? BainsBane Jul 2014 #195

Those two. Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #198

the movie characters? BainsBane Jul 2014 #199

Any two adults who engage in consensual sex. Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #201

So that they come from a fictional novel adapted into a movie makes no difference? BainsBane Jul 2014 #212

What the fuck does that mean? There's no *actual sex* involved here; it's fiction muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #204

So many times? Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #208

No, I haven't noticed that; that appears to be the problem with your OP muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #218

Actually it's the opposite BainsBane Jul 2014 #220

It looks like the jury hide is all they were after here... R B Garr Jul 2014 #221

Probably so BainsBane Jul 2014 #225

Exactly. I found that difficult to believe, as well. R B Garr Jul 2014 #227

52, now. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #230

This makes the spreadsheet thread BainsBane Jul 2014 #231

People like dumb book, people complain about those liking book, people complain about complainers Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #235

Which is why I would bet any amount of money BainsBane Jul 2014 #238

On your first part you might very well be right. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #240

Why just the bedroom? philip.chinery Jul 2014 #206

Oh, I know! Glenn Beck talks about this a lot. Quantess Jul 2014 #213

Right. And welcome to DU. It can be in the living room, the kitchen, the dining room, Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #214

Not at my age, sonny Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #250

I'm not a man--I'm a woman. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #273

Sorry. My toothless old wheezy geezer voice works better with words like "sonny", that's all Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #287

I am not going to see this movie. Brigid Jul 2014 #217

How about everyone keeps their clothes on? Quantess Jul 2014 #223

When I was in Junior High, we perfected showering with our clothes on. Shrike47 Jul 2014 #228

Like in Arrested Development? Quantess Jul 2014 #234

Yes I agree that what people do in their bedroom do is their own business. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #229

I guess you're not supposed to comment on movies or novels BainsBane Jul 2014 #236

What is this movie about? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #237

It's based on some crap novel BainsBane Jul 2014 #239

Not my type of movie. Not surprised it caused debate. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #242

Once the giant robots start battling the extra dimensional sea monsters, it gets better. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #249

The last movie I saw was Milk. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #251

Oh yeah, absolutely. Sean Penn was great in that. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #252

No, I shall look it up. iam interested in that time period. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #253

It's a good read. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #254

Thanks. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #256

agreed samsingh Jul 2014 #255

even if there are more than 2 consenting adults its not anyone else's business samsingh Jul 2014 #257

There are no posts in which anyone says they have a problem with what consenting adults do. This is Squinch Jul 2014 #259

"This is some kind of weird argument he's having with the mommy in his head" whathehell Jul 2014 #266

Yeah, I thought that was pretty funny too. smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #275

Seems like he's not the only one. BainsBane Jul 2014 #307

This thread kills me abelenkpe Jul 2014 #258

If the book hadn't appealed to a large group's sexual fantasies, it wouldn't have been a best seller Blaukraut Jul 2014 #276

The book reviews were suggested 50 shades of boredom. I don't need that in my bedroom. In_The_Wind Jul 2014 #277

Let me opine that Tymber Dalton does a -far- better job... brooklynite Jul 2014 #279

I feel sorry for people who can't get off without hurting or being hurt.. whathehell Jul 2014 #295

theb problem with your statement DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #281

Well said. I think 50 Shades will bomb LittleBlue Jul 2014 #284

I agree Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #289

Self-righteous, self-appointed morality police suck. 99Forever Jul 2014 #286

And what a reader reads in the privacy of her bedroom isn't our business, either mainer Jul 2014 #290

We're allowed our opinions, "our business" or not whathehell Jul 2014 #291

Gerogia law disagrees with you. Laelth Jul 2014 #294

We might argue about consent treestar Jul 2014 #300

Couple things: historylovr Jul 2014 #305

i don't see the connection b/w discussing the movie and your bedroom fishwax Jul 2014 #308