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141. Horrible hide. It's agenda driven, look at the wording.

Sun Jul 27, 2014, 06:22 PM

Jul 2014

there is nothing over the top or offensive. Her post was definitely not hide worthy.

I've read all three books and agree with her assessment; trashy, trashy, trashy and awful writing. Nothing more.

The only reason I read them was I was at an 'adult party' with a bunch of other women that were talking about it and I was curious as to what all the fuss was about. I would never encourage anyone to read them...UNLESS you want to debate the book. In fact I started an OP on it here http://www.democraticunderground.com/11396974 two years ago.

These books are no worse than anything written by Laurell K Hamilton, J.R. Ward, Sylvia Day and so on.

as a side note you'll see LadyHawk posted in my thread 2 years ago and had the same opinion of the book(s).

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Fifty Shades of Grey depicts RAPE and has been criticized by BDSM advocates [View all] BainsBane Jul 2014 OP

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"Red and "yellow" are the safe words they use. He does not break into her house. msanthrope Jul 2014 #2

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I read the book, Bane. I didn't rely on a synopsis. I can tell you exactly why msanthrope Jul 2014 #4

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The published kindle version. Still no rape. nt msanthrope Jul 2014 #182

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Oh, I read your post. You still haven't read any version. nt msanthrope Jul 2014 #197

God, no BainsBane Jul 2014 #229

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Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #20

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Horrible hide. It's agenda driven, look at the wording. one_voice Jul 2014 #141

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Right?!?... one_voice Jul 2014 #202

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Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #34

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I thought so. LWolf Jul 2014 #68

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I didnt. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #99

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Nope. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #110

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I'm responding to the OP My Good Babushka Jul 2014 #128

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Thanks, William BainsBane Jul 2014 #122

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I read the book. newcriminal Jul 2014 #137

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I got my book. newcriminal Jul 2014 #160

Paperback version? BainsBane Jul 2014 #167

So your op is either misleading or just wrong. newcriminal Jul 2014 #168

Based on your interpetation? BainsBane Jul 2014 #169

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None of the other OPs about this book, except for one, have read it either BainsBane Jul 2014 #176

I'm talking about your ORIGINAL POST you said," newcriminal Jul 2014 #179

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I don't actually know BainsBane Jul 2014 #245

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I understand that... one_voice Jul 2014 #174

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And that's when they get you. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #207

So true BainsBane Jul 2014 #210

Because I can. Sissyk Jul 2014 #201

Not my term BainsBane Jul 2014 #204

You are the one that repeated that term. Sissyk Jul 2014 #208

Yes, since it was used in the one OP BainsBane Jul 2014 #209

This is a different OP. Is it not? Yours? Sissyk Jul 2014 #213

It isn't in my OP. BainsBane Jul 2014 #225

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Here BainsBane Jul 2014 #335

You got it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #297

You are not qualified to speak for me BainsBane Jul 2014 #300

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Rape... Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #318

Unlike you, I have read two thirds of the book already nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #319

Rape... Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #320

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You really have to read it yourself. newcriminal Jul 2014 #328

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Don't read the book then AgingAmerican Jul 2014 #302

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I know, it's ridiculous BuddhaGirl Jul 2014 #307

The thought police AgingAmerican Jul 2014 #310

Narrative driven folk tend to be drama queens AgingAmerican Jul 2014 #309

While in college nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #314

So you haven't read it? AgingAmerican Jul 2014 #308

I will have to ask you where is the rape nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #311

You said "hard". Kaleva Jul 2014 #329

I gotta ask cwydro Jul 2014 #324

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